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  1. #41
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Yeah that makes a lot of sense: flushes control outcomes. And I just kept sitting at the $25 machines until I lost $50,000, then $100,000--and more, if that makes you feel better.
    Rob, with your logic, a video poker machine only paying the largest hands and paying zero for everything else would be fine, because you're just going for the big hits, right?

    Video poker pay tables have become so important because reduced "medium pays" slowly eat away at the player, as they play a lot of hands. Losing 1 credit on a flush or full house doesn't sound like a big deal, until you multiply it by numerous flushes and full houses over a long session. And multiply that by many sessions, and it's a huge additional piece of profit in the casino's pocket.

    You keep talking about people "playing right into CET's hands" with their Total Rewards program, yet you also play right into the casinos' hands by playing games with inferior pay tables and convincing yourself that you're doing the right thing.
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  2. #42
    Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Rob, with your logic, a video poker machine only paying the largest hands and paying zero for everything else would be fine, because you're just going for the big hits, right?

    Video poker pay tables have become so important because reduced "medium pays" slowly eat away at the player, as they play a lot of hands. Losing 1 credit on a flush or full house doesn't sound like a big deal, until you multiply it by numerous flushes and full houses over a long session. And multiply that by many sessions, and it's a huge additional piece of profit in the casino's pocket.

    You keep talking about people "playing right into CET's hands" with their Total Rewards program, yet you also play right into the casinos' hands by playing games with inferior pay tables and convincing yourself that you're doing the right thing.
    How confused you are....

    You saw the pay table of the machine I hit the $100k on, right? 9/7 TDBP and full-pay, right? You also saw the table on the $50k winner I hit earlier. 9/6 TDBP. And who would play games with no smaller winners?

    What I teach is to play the best pay table available in the casino you choose to play in for the game you choose to play. And again, IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT THAT PAY TABLE IS when you play a smart strategy. This crazy notion that one MUST play in +EV situations only in order to win over any amount of time, is just that--pure inexperience talking. Do you think I cared what the pay table was when I started each session, during each session, or after each session? Do you think I was thinking about that type of nonsense when I went to the banks? What you're saying is the machine must know who you are, if you've been winning or losing over your lifetime and day, and where you need to be in the overall mathematical scheme of things in order to be close to EV. How about trying to stay FAR ahead of the curve--did that ever enter your mind? It does mine every time. That's why I win so consistently, so often, and why it bothers others who are not able to play a stronger game.

  3. #43
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    And again, IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT THAT PAY TABLE IS when you play a smart strategy. This crazy notion that one MUST play in +EV situations only in order to win over any amount of time, is just that--pure inexperience talking.
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  4. #44
    Originally Posted by Spock View Post
    I contacted GT to see if I could get a more definitive answer on when your articles would appear. The reply I received from the publisher was that there were no upcoming columns from Rob Singer that she was aware of.

    Are these some kind of sooper sekrit column that not even the publisher knows about?
    Copied and noted.

  5. #45
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT THAT PAY TABLE IS when you play a smart strategy.
    Wouldn't the "smart strategy" include playing the best paytable?

    I do not play 7/5 Bonus. In fact, given a choice between 8/5 Aces and Faces and 8/5 Bonus I will play the Aces and Faces game because it has a slightly better expected return than Bonus.

  6. #46
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Wouldn't the "smart strategy" include playing the best paytable?

    I do not play 7/5 Bonus. In fact, given a choice between 8/5 Aces and Faces and 8/5 Bonus I will play the Aces and Faces game because it has a slightly better expected return than Bonus.
    And there's a good example. Every visit/session is different, and you have to look at more than one aspect in order to be playing "smart". For instance, what's your bankroll for today's play? That would determine if it makes more or less sense to play 7/5 BP or A&F TODAY. Also, when playing goal-oriented strategies, depending on how hi or low you set it, which game is more or less likely to hit that win goal TODAY?

    This is where players fall "prey" to casinos. All they want and expect you to do is sit at a machine or two and pound away as fast as you can, because they know they will make money off of almost EVERY machine, positive or negative, over the long haul. That's also why so many casinos have EV-adding promos, tournaments, give-always etc. almost non-stop that consistently push games into theoretically positive territory--and most times lucratively so. They WANT and NEED AP's to keep coming in, keep playing, and in people like Bob Dancer's case, to keep WRITING about them. Why do you think guys like him constantly play at the same promotions and casinos? Why do you think he's put most of his play into Dottys over the past two years? Then think about why I don't chase such things, and how I've been constantly able to do so well. It's not the pay table that's most important Alan & Dan. It's the overall approach.

  7. #47
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
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    I just saw this. You should know better.

    I'll call tomorrow myself. I just deal w/ the editor and managing editor. Publishers hire and review, I've never required pay, and I'm known. Could be the article(s) already ran, or they may not be running them. It might light a fire under their butts if I send them pics &"proof" of my two recent wins.

  8. #48
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    I'll call tomorrow myself. I just deal w/ the editor and managing editor.
    Copied and noted.

  9. #49
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    It might light a fire under their butts if I send them pics &"proof" of my two recent wins.
    I'm curious. What do the pictures and the recent wins "prove"?

    Does the photo of my dealt straight flush prove anything except that I was dealt a straight flush?

    Do the photos of your big wins prove anything about the Singer methodology? If so, what exactly do they prove?

  10. #50
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    I'm curious. What do the pictures and the recent wins "prove"?

    Does the photo of my dealt straight flush prove anything except that I was dealt a straight flush?

    Do the photos of your big wins prove anything about the Singer methodology? If so, what exactly do they prove?
    OK. THIS is what I keep talking about. Why does EVERYONE want pictures and strategies, etc. if it's not gonna mean anything?You've been given, say, an artt strategy, clues on how to identify a possible cold or hot cycle, win goals and correlating plays at advantageous points in the strategy, etc. So NOONE is gonna prove ANYTHING without getting your feet wet. Almost forgot-and you don't have to play at levels higher than you can afford.

  11. #51
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    I'm curious. What do the pictures and the recent wins "prove"?

    Does the photo of my dealt straight flush prove anything except that I was dealt a straight flush?

    Do the photos of your big wins prove anything about the Singer methodology? If so, what exactly do they prove?
    Nothing really. I guess just that these hands are actually hit at any denomination. More appropriate is what slingshot wrote. You see what I hit, you've been told how I hit them with my method of play (ARTT strategy in the most recent cases) but it won't do anything for anyone else unless they choose to learn how to do it properly. You can only lead the Camels to the water.

  12. #52
    Originally Posted by slingshot View Post
    clues on how to identify a possible cold or hot cycle,
    Funny you mentioned this today, because last night I could have sworn I was in a hot cycle at that $2 machine because I was hitting lots of small winners before the dealt straight flush and then within a few more hands got quads twice. And as I was getting those small winners one after another I said to myself "is this a Rob Singer hot cycle and too bad $2 is the top denomination on this machine." No kidding. I really thought it.

  13. #53
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    You see what I hit, you've been told how I hit them with my method of play (ARTT strategy in the most recent cases)
    But the point is, Rob, your strategy didn't make the RNG give you those cards. Your strategy cannot control the RNG. That is the "luck" part of the game.

    To say that you got these big hands because of your strategies is a bogus claim.

    The only time you could claim that your strategy was involved was if there was a "special play" and there was no special play in these big wins.

    Congratulations on the big wins. You had big wins, yes. You can't say the Rob Singer system deserves credit for them.

  14. #54
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    But the point is, Rob, your strategy didn't make the RNG give you those cards. Your strategy cannot control the RNG. That is the "luck" part of the game.

    To say that you got these big hands because of your strategies is a bogus claim.

    The only time you could claim that your strategy was involved was if there was a "special play" and there was no special play in these big wins.

    Congratulations on the big wins. You had big wins, yes. You can't say the Rob Singer system deserves credit for them.
    That'r right, you're starting to get it! If I do not play one of my strategies, almost EVERY time I play I would play a single denomination, and that RNG would be hitting--and losing--at that single denom. I would NEVER sit at a $25 machine and start playing without working up to it. Working up to a top denom. is how I get the majority of my wins.

    In my e-mail I explained ARTT in detail. I also told you that the majority of the wins in that strategy come via an accumulation of soft profits, and sometimes (as in the $50k hit) the final "soft profit" is a huge hit. Very few win as this one did-- w/o ANY soft profits.

    As for the special plays, there were not any successes in this session, but as I told you before, when I played those three sessions when the $50k was hit, one of the winning sessions ended with a big winner due to a special play.

  15. #55
    Rob once again it appears that the facts are arranged to fit the claim. Sorry I just can't buy it. Your whole system is a video poker Rube Goldberg concoction.

  16. #56
    Alan, you're either not making sense or you aren't reading with the required comprehension again. What facts are you talking about, and what part of exactly how the strategy is played don't you get?

    I do get that everyone here is jealous as hell over my big wins and how often I win--including you obviously--which is the cause of all the stupid remarks along with trying to find other ways to combat everyone's utter frustrations with how I'm able to do what they can't--and I have no problem with that. In fact, I find myself overjoyed by it as you know. Even redietz finds himself beside himself, as he & and that other idiot are resorting to calling GT purportedly because they "can't wait" for my articles. But I don't care about that either (and I did just call and my articles have not run yet). I'm mildly surprised one of your moron posters hasn't come on as someone else claiming to be the REAL jackpot winner. Just the relief everyone needs. So I'll let you and your group continue on with the disbelief and envy, and the only time I post will be when I hit jackpots....and just to irritate the haters which as you can plainly see, has become my specialty. But because I rarely play, that won't be often. Just keep your chin up. You can always hope I lose like your posters here do
    Last edited by Rob.Singer; 02-04-2014 at 03:20 PM.

  17. #57
    For the record, I did not "call" GT. We idiots try to get responses on record when possible.

    'Nuff Said.

    And to all a good night.

  18. #58
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    (and I did just call and my articles have not run yet). I'm mildly surprised one of your moron posters hasn't come on as someone else claiming to be the REAL jackpot winner. Just the relief everyone needs. So I'll let you and your group continue on with the disbelief and envy, and the only time I post will be when I hit jackpots....and just to irritate the haters which as you can plainly see, has become my specialty. But because I rarely play, that won't be often. Just keep your chin up. You can always hope I lose like your posters here do
    Getting too hot for ya Bubba? Run with that tail between your legs? Your latest jackpot story is falling apart fast. Your GT-article story is falling apart fast, guess you don't want to wait for strike 3 huh? But since you're starting to run, please keep running in the exact opposite direction of the rest of us. Don't bother to post jackpot pictures, nobody's buying it anyway.

  19. #59
    I have to say this semi in Rob's favor. I have to think, with him firing a 100K jackpot photo at us, that he was just having a good belly laugh while seeing how much malarkey we would swallow. I mean, he could have strung us along with a bunch of 4K jackpots, but no -- he decided to push the envelope and go for the 100K "let's see if they buy this" stuff. It's pretty funny, really. I mean, c'mon, we have the storage locker and RV stories and a mix-up in identities a little while back and now jackpots from all over the place in a short time, and it's on a site hosted by a journalist! It's probably some inside joke and we'll all wind up on reality TV some day. Next Rob will say he's an alien from Area 51, and we'll be asking for proof. Rob will explain that the USA is directly descended from his alien race and Europe is genetically inferior and that the evidence is in a locker, but his ship is banned from Nevada due to his ancestors being shot down, and we'll politely ask him to get us some evidence when he sneaks back into Nevada.

    Rob's not the goofball. We are.
    Last edited by redietz; 02-05-2014 at 02:25 PM.

  20. #60
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Next Rob will say he's an alien from Area 51, and we'll be asking for proof. Rob will explain that the USA is directly descended from his alien race and Europe is genetically inferior and that the evidence is in a locker, but his ship is banned from Nevada due to his ancestors being shot down, and we'll politely ask him to get us some evidence when he sneaks back into Nevada.
    Are you suggesting Rob is into Scientology?

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