Question for Rob Singer and redietz about "Total Rewards"

[Alan Mendelson]

Rob you realize you have an answer for everything, don't you?

Too bad we don't know "the absolute truth" about how much you really play to hit all those big winners. I have a real problem believing that you hit them on just occasional half hour drop-in visits.

[Rob.Singer]

Oh Alan, maybe someday you'll come to the realization that there really is a method of play that doesn't mean you have to mostly lose if you win.I've been trying to teach you how for a long time, but all you've been doing is fighting it and now you want to believe it isn't what it is because however you play doesn't measure up. It just doesn't make any sense. Don't you know what the definition of insane is? No matter how often you reject the truth, it won't change anything. I post my wins only because you've shown an interest, and I incorporate the story behind each. This is no different than what I did for almost 8 years at the paper--with the same criticizms from people who never could win overall or on at least 80% of their casino visits. That's why it seems I do have answers for just about everything about playing vp for a profit: Because I do.

[Alan Mendelson]

You're dodging the question Rob. You have posted what appears to be too many big winners for someone who claims to play only a limited amount. By the way, when are those articles coming out in Gaming Today?

[redietz]

At the time I made the wager at the Rio, the Rio had been bought, but sports book personnel and policies had not yet been brought into line with Harrah's. When a company runs sports books in multiple locations, as Harrah's does, the lines are identical in each location. The comps should be identical in each location, also, as they are all on the same system. Sometimes a "Dancer wink" does, I imagine, grease the wheels for comps, but I haven't experienced that.

Casinos are businesses. Some people seem to think we should therefore be supportive of them and friendly towards them. Why? Individuals can be their own businesses, and if the business of the individual is to extract as much value as possible from the equation, then the fact that casinos are profit-seeking entities doesn't really undercut any arguments. In fact, if you have more concern for yourself than for the casinos, then you should be trying to extract every bit of value from every transaction with them.


Basically, I'm a gambler. I don't "game." If the odds are against me, I don't play. Why would I? I think Rob may define himself the same way. I'm not sure how some of you define yourselves, but I think that is the crux of the difference.

[Rob.Singer]

Don't be complicating Alan's next visit to Rincon or Caesars redietz. He just wants to get there and PLAY! Even if he somehow gets ahead $3000 by playing his $750 free play once thru, he's the happiest gambler in the world coming home with two hundred bucks. And think about all those extra bonus points he gets for staying on afterwards. Plus the GGWU points! Plus the kind words from his host. Plus all the tips he was able to hand out from all those tax-return/AGI-messing W2G's! What a kick!!

[Dan Druff]

Casinos are businesses. Some people seem to think we should therefore be supportive of them and friendly towards them. Why? Individuals can be their own businesses, and if the business of the individual is to extract as much value as possible from the equation, then the fact that casinos are profit-seeking entities doesn't really undercut any arguments. In fact, if you have more concern for yourself than for the casinos, then you should be trying to extract every bit of value from every transaction with them.

I agree with this.

Casinos operate to separate their patrons from their money.

Once they are done squeezing out every penny from these people, they throw them away like they never existed. This is why your host will only keep comping you if you continue playing, not just because you played a ton in the past. Try playing really high limits for a few visits, then stay a few times and play nothing, and see how much your host will do for you after that.

They sell the promise and hope of "winning" and call it "entertainment", but in reality they are pulling every trick in the book to reach into your pocket and get as much as possible.

They don't tell you the odds of winning. They don't tell you that sustained play at any -EV game leaves you with just about zero chance of walking away ahead in the long run (or even the short-long-run), unless you win a fluke mega jackpot.

Now, I understand all of this. They are a business and want to make money, just as I am an individual and also want to make money.

While they try to extract everything from me, I am also aiming to extract everything from them, though I stay within the parameters of the law while doing so.

[Alan Mendelson]

I really don't consider casino gambling as a constructive activity and only recreation. Isn't it a bit alarming how seriously some view it?

[Alan Mendelson]

Rob will you respond to my questions?

[Rob.Singer]

You're dodging the question Rob. You have posted what appears to be too many big winners for someone who claims to play only a limited amount. By the way, when are those articles coming out in Gaming Today?

Listen to yourself, because I've obviously got you talking to yourself. I win often because of the way I play, and I win overall because I quit playing far sooner than others do. So many jackpots appear impossible to someone who plays lower overall limits than me and who can't stop playing. I do play a limited amount compared to you, but I play a much smarter game. In fact, I was planning on playing the last three days but I didn't. Why? Because my wife returned early, and where I'm from it's not all about me.There's your answer.

For the third time, I was told the articles would most likely appear sometime after football season.

[Alan Mendelson]

You're twisting and turning and dodging, Rob: big jackpots do not necessarily come from denominations. You have reported some big "jackpots" regarding bonus hands such as your quads with kickers and royals which seem to appear during short, "drop in" visits. Yet, there are players who play hundreds of hours or a whole lifetime and never hit "big hands" such as those, including Royals.

Are you taking credit for making the RNGs give you such big hands with only a limited amount of play? Do you have some magical touch which triggers the RNG to give you so many big hands in such a short amount of time? Dollar amount is not the issue Rob -- but frequency of the "big hands" is the issue.

I am looking forward to your upcoming articles in Gaming Today plus your explanation for how you hit so many big jackpots with so little play.

[Vegas_lover]

and where I'm from it's not all about me.There's your answer.

Well that's new. Everything around here seems to be about you and as soon as it's not about you: you make it about you.

When you are winning big jackpots playing high denominations (according to your strategy) it means one thing: you're in a hole big time. But all of a sudden, in those situations you were (by coincidence) playing "sans strategie" and hit a big winner within a couple of hands. I think it's hilarious how you come up with this stuff. You should have become a stand up comedian. Let me make a prediction about your response:

A. no response
B. calling me, the Dutch or Europeans socialist/communists
C. I'm jealous of whatever you think
D. I'm a gambling addict because I don't play your strategy or I don't win like you
E. I love Asians but desperately need whatever the big old US of A has to offer us poor souls around the world
F. you come up with a new dumb comment

Waiting for your next "smart/snappy comeback"

[redietz]

Note to Alan: I presume most professional gamblers would take gambling seriously. I'm surprised you seem surprised by that.

[Vegas_lover]

Note to Alan: I presume most professional gamblers would take gambling seriously. I'm surprised you seem surprised by that.

Note to Red: but Rob isn't a professional gambler. As you should well know by now his gambling is pure recreational

[Rob.Singer]

You're twisting and turning and dodging, Rob: big jackpots do not necessarily come from denominations. You have reported some big "jackpots" regarding bonus hands such as your quads with kickers and royals which seem to appear during short, "drop in" visits. Yet, there are players who play hundreds of hours or a whole lifetime and never hit "big hands" such as those, including Royals.

Are you taking credit for making the RNGs give you such big hands with only a limited amount of play? Do you have some magical touch which triggers the RNG to give you so many big hands in such a short amount of time? Dollar amount is not the issue Rob -- but frequency of the "big hands" is the issue.

I am looking forward to your upcoming articles in Gaming Today plus your explanation for how you hit so many big jackpots with so little play.

Poor attention span again Alan. Four Aces on $1 DDBP is not really a jackpot unless that's the top denomination being played. Four Aces on $10 DDBP, which I've posted a pic of, IS a jackpot. And how about this: Four 3's on $5 BP is hardly a jackpot. But four 3's on $25 TDBP IS a jackpot, as you've seen right here @ $50,000.

The rest of your whine is entitled to some cheese. Isn't is abhorrent that I've been consistently able to play mostly short sessions and continue to hit big winners. Tough love. That's what comes with a strong player playing smart and being able to just up and quit when people like you cannot. If you want to feel better and not so jealous like your kooky friend from where they idolize Obama much like you do, then disbelieve me and tell yourself I hang around hi limit rooms waiting with camera in hand just to slip in and take pictures that I can say are all my own. If that's what it takes to ease your pain over this, then do it. It won't change the amount of cash in my wallet, and it won't make my wife file for divorce just to "be like Mike" from California. As your hero Hillary says, "What Difference DOES it make!?" There....that outta make you smile, just as you did when you found out Bill had Monica under the White house desk in a prime display of Democratic morals.

Lessons are free and always available whenever you want them. And I still owe you dinner.

[Alan Mendelson]

Rob, we seem to be missing each other. And that's a problem, because it makes me doubt you and many of your claims and reports. In the past I gave you the benefit of the doubt, but now I have to question my own judgment for giving you a "pass" in the past.

Four Aces on $1 DDBP is not really a jackpot unless that's the top denomination being played. Four Aces on $10 DDBP, which I've posted a pic of, IS a jackpot. And how about this: Four 3's on $5 BP is hardly a jackpot. But four 3's on $25 TDBP IS a jackpot, as you've seen right here @ $50,000.

These are all jackpot hands -- and rare hands -- regardless of the denomination. And again, you seem to be getting these rare hands in abnormal amounts based on your claims of limited play in short spurts at a casino. Of course, if you misstated the amount you played then hitting so many of these rare hands would not be of consequence. It's just that your claim about playing little and hitting these big winners is suspicious.

The rest of your whine is entitled to some cheese. Isn't is abhorrent that I've been consistently able to play mostly short sessions and continue to hit big winners.

It's not "abhorrent" Rob... it's not believable. And what adds to the disbelief is that instead of trying to explain it rationally you launch a salvo of insults such as this:

Tough love. That's what comes with a strong player playing smart and being able to just up and quit when people like you cannot. If you want to feel better and not so jealous like your kooky friend from where they idolize Obama much like you do, then disbelieve me and tell yourself I hang around hi limit rooms waiting with camera in hand just to slip in and take pictures that I can say are all my own. If that's what it takes to ease your pain over this, then do it. It won't change the amount of cash in my wallet, and it won't make my wife file for divorce just to "be like Mike" from California. As your hero Hillary says, "What Difference DOES it make!?" There....that outta make you smile, just as you did when you found out Bill had Monica under the White house desk in a prime display of Democratic morals.

Lessons are free and always available whenever you want them. And I still owe you dinner.

Congratulations Rob, you have lost me as a fan and as a believer.

[Count Room]

So basically if I have shorter trips spaced out farther apart in time along with some tough love thrown in I will be able to press the DEAL/DRAW button at the right millisecond more often (big quads, small quads, royals & SF's all being desirable button presses)? This might be within the realm of possibility and maybe there's something special about Rob's personal biology (hence, my old thread on "Human Biology and RNGs").

[Dan Druff]

Rob, I am not a Democrat, and I don't like Obama.

With that said, I don't believe any of your claims about winning at video poker, especially if you're playing 9-5 DDB machines.

[Count Room]

I'm either the last sucker in the room or the second-wisest person in the room, for I am still uncertain about Rob's record.

[Rob.Singer]

Rob, I am not a Democrat, and I don't like Obama.

With that said, I don't believe any of your claims about winning at video poker, especially if you're playing 9-5 DDB machines.

Yeah that makes a lot of sense: flushes control outcomes. And I just kept sitting at the $25 machines until I lost $50,000, then $100,000--and more, if that makes you feel better.

[Spock]

For the third time, I was told the articles would most likely appear sometime after football season.

I contacted GT to see if I could get a more definitive answer on when your articles would appear. The reply I received from the publisher was that there were no upcoming columns from Rob Singer that she was aware of.

Are these some kind of sooper sekrit column that not even the publisher knows about?