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    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    From time to time, I am invited to have dinner with a top exec at CET. I won't identify them here, but it is a private dinner -- just the two of us. I am picked because of being a 7Stars player but I also think it has to do with my business -- it never hurts to talk to a guy in the media who also happens to be quoted in the LVRJ from time to time on casino matters.

    I mention this because during a dinner about a year ago I mentioned to a high level exec that his pay tables on VP sucked. And as a result his machines were empty, including in the high limit room. I said to him something like this: even if you had so-called full-pay machines you would still make a profit off of them. Now, you have a lot of machines with empty seats and zero revenue. Well, he looked like me like I was talking Martian. I really think the bean counters have absolutely no knowledge of marketing or even how to run a casino.
    Good story, Alan. That actually makes a lot of sense for a large casino company because of the multiple management layers. I'm wondering if it had been more fruitful to discuss the paytables with the slot manager, instead. The high-level execs probably would be more focused on the general operations of the casino rather than the very specifics of only a few games with a niche interest (ie. the VP games we like to play).

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    I never met a slot manager at any casino... though shortly after NYNY opened the slot manager came around to greet players. Unfortunately back then I was not a VP player and I was talking to him about seeding higher paying slot machines in high profile positions on the casino floor to attract attention.

    Since then I found out that higher paying slots are deliberately put in positions that force players to walk through more of the casino to get to them.
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    I of course second regnis' position about playing @ CET if you have so many complaints about them like several do here. I'll play at them because I have NO complaints, but if I had a few gripes, I'd let my feet do the talking instead of crying about them somewhere where they couldn't care less about.

    Alan, you absolutely CAN play--and enjoy playing--at so many other LV casinos. CET's number one draw by far is in its huge variety of places to stay across the country. But you don't use that. Its worst overall benefit are those stupid cruises, and you don't use those either. So you definitely should stop telling yourself no other places measure up. Here's why: it is very easy to bring your top tier card into any other casino and request their top tier card in return for you making it your new "home base casino". Why you continue to list the weaker reasons for needing to stay with CET is a mystery. You will never get more, only less, from them. The same goes for Dan. There are, except for the countrywide coverage, MUCH better properties and casinos with better amenities out there.

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    Rob: I cannot play craps at Bellagio, NYNY or MGM comfortably after my "incidents" there. At some other casinos in Vegas I cannot play because I have done consulting work for them. But since I don't "live in casinos" the few times a year I go to Caesars is enough for me, thank you.

    And you do owe me lunch.
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    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    I of course second regnis' position about playing @ CET if you have so many complaints about them like several do here. I'll play at them because I have NO complaints, but if I had a few gripes, I'd let my feet do the talking instead of crying about them somewhere where they couldn't care less about.

    Alan, you absolutely CAN play--and enjoy playing--at so many other LV casinos. CET's number one draw by far is in its huge variety of places to stay across the country. But you don't use that. Its worst overall benefit are those stupid cruises, and you don't use those either. So you definitely should stop telling yourself no other places measure up. Here's why: it is very easy to bring your top tier card into any other casino and request their top tier card in return for you making it your new "home base casino". Why you continue to list the weaker reasons for needing to stay with CET is a mystery. You will never get more, only less, from them. The same goes for Dan. There are, except for the countrywide coverage, MUCH better properties and casinos with better amenities out there.
    Why would I want to put in play elsewhere when my main goal is to have a wide variety of places to stay for free throughout the country? Only CET provides that.

    The other benefits I can take or leave, or are rapidly degrading.

    I think the properties are fine, for the most part. Some are better than others, but I am happy enough with most of the rooms.
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    Dan, if you do use their wide array of properties, as I always did by staying for free at every one of them on motor trips around the country several times when I was Diamond, then to me that's worth the abuse too.

    Alan, there are so many other casinos that you could be playing at. So many...and the LV amenities, rooms, restaurants etc. are at least as good and in many cases, much better than Caesars. So you've had trouble playing craps at a few places. So what. They'll never know you now. I was barred from playing vp at Bellagio & Harrahs on the Strip, and within 2 years I went back to both and no one said a word, even when I used my cards and even during some huge handpays. And your working with/consulting for them has nothing to do with playing there. Dancer does it all the time, and they probably give him even better treatment because of it.

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    Good points Rob.

    Alan, maybe you should "get back on that horse" and try playing some craps at mgm properties next time you are in vegas. What could it hurt? They didnt trespass you did they?

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    In furtherance of my suggestion that you don't give your dollars to Caesars if you are unhappy, this is what casino players are lacking:

    http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...urchill-action


    Hopefully, it will have some effect.

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    Valid question: why don't I try playing again at the casinos where I ran into trouble before?
    My answer: I have little to gain and much to lose by trying to play again at MGM, Bellagio and NYNY. I have no interest in playing at the other hotels owned by MGM. As I said earlier I have done work for other casino companies in town so I will not be playing there. Other companies that I have no business relationship with are not casinos where I have an interest in staying or dining.

    Now the bigger point: I go to Vegas perhaps four or five times a year, often for an event at Caesars which might be free play, shopping or a show. It is really not necessary for me to find another casino.

    Unlike Rob, I am not traveling around the country in a giant RV looking for a casino-hotel with an unlimited hot water supply.
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