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  1. #21
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Rob take a look at these articles about follow-home robberies from casinos:

    http://www.fox23.com/news/local/stor...swgg--NMw.cspx
    http://www.contracostatimes.com/brea...-arrested-five
    http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/c...9bb30f31a.html
    http://www.dispatch.com/content/stor...-at-fault.html
    http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2013/...e-from-casino/
    http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/27...mmerce-497902/
    http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/articl...on-3077315.php

    Rob you also wrote: People with casino credit lines almost always also have a bevy of other loans and an impressive collection of colorful credit cards with constant high balances. That's how it is in S. California, is it not... This is absolutely ridiculous and how can you reach such a conclusion?
    Conclusions like those come from know-it-all blowhards who with narrow minded views. Those observations, which he offers up as "the truth", are nothing more than snapshots that rarely represent the big picture. For someone as "well traveled and well educated" as he says he is, he really hasn't been paying attention. Sadly, he now shows himself to be someone who wallows in a comical self-aggrandizement world of his own.

  2. #22
    Personally, I can't even believe that it is possible that Rob isn't aware of the follow-home robberies. The articles I cited above are only a tiny fraction of those that appear with a basic Google search. I only used "follow home" as a keyword in the search. I didn't include robberies inside casino garages, or on casino property, or on casino elevators and in hotel rooms and in casino lounges.

    Just during my last trip to Caesars there was a robbery in the lounge with the "barge" and four security guards had to chase a thief who stole a handbag from a patron. They ran right through the casino.

    Do I have to even mention the motorcycle bandit with the gun at Bellagio? Here Rob... more good reasons for you to carry lots of cash:

    http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2012...casino-heists/

  3. #23
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Personally, I can't even believe that it is possible that Rob isn't aware of the follow-home robberies. The articles I cited above are only a tiny fraction of those that appear with a basic Google search. I only used "follow home" as a keyword in the search. I didn't include robberies inside casino garages, or on casino property, or on casino elevators and in hotel rooms and in casino lounges.

    Just during my last trip to Caesars there was a robbery in the lounge with the "barge" and four security guards had to chase a thief who stole a handbag from a patron. They ran right through the casino.

    Do I have to even mention the motorcycle bandit with the gun at Bellagio? Here Rob... more good reasons for you to carry lots of cash:

    http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2012...casino-heists/
    Alan, unlike you, my life isn't everything casinos all of the time. For the amount of casinos in this country, attempted thefts are miniscule. If they were commonplace, someone like myself who always has carried plenty of cash in and around them along with being recognizable as well as could have easily been watched in all the high limit rooms I've played in, would have been a victim many times over if it were as sensationalized as you portray it.

  4. #24
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Rob take a look at these articles about follow-home robberies from casinos:

    http://www.fox23.com/news/local/stor...swgg--NMw.cspx
    http://www.contracostatimes.com/brea...-arrested-five
    http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/c...9bb30f31a.html
    http://www.dispatch.com/content/stor...-at-fault.html
    http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2013/...e-from-casino/
    http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/27...mmerce-497902/
    http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/articl...on-3077315.php

    Rob you also wrote: People with casino credit lines almost always also have a bevy of other loans and an impressive collection of colorful credit cards with constant high balances. That's how it is in S. California, is it not... This is absolutely ridiculous and how can you reach such a conclusion?
    You obviously take pride in having credit, and S. Cal. is the king of pride in that dept. It's only logical that people who have lots of credit use lots of credit, and they actually believe having credit means they're well-off. I'm not buying your weak argument that you get casino credit to save yourself from "robberies from the bad guys" when all you do is hunker down inside Caesars or Rincon until you accept the usual beatings. If you use casino credit then you do it either to impress yourself or to be sure there's cash readily available in order to get your gambling fix at any time you get the urge for action, even if you don't have any at the moment. You'll never accept or see that this is exactly how the casinos want it to be. And finally, you'll never understand or want to understand that people who follow casino leads are far more likely to lose.

  5. #25
    Originally Posted by regnis View Post
    Rob-I have been followed and attacked at Ballys in a hallway going to my room. I was lucky--another door opened and I ran into that person's room as the door opened. I try not to carry cash in Vegas. I settle markers at the table if I win and only take the profit. I used to use the safe deposit boxes until they were eliminated. If I have a big win, I have a bank account in Las Vegas and go there to deposit. I don't want it on me.

    Here is a very recent one here in Illinois/Indiana.

    http://wgntv.com/2014/04/16/palos-he...nds-at-casino/

    They followed him a good 25 miles.
    Regnis, I agree these things happen. But I will NEVER do anything any casino wants me to do ....not if I expect to win. Casino credit isn't some "benefit" (ie, the foolish "interest-free loan" excuse) that casinos just "give away" out of the kindness of their hearts. It's one of their most effective money-making tools, just as credit cards are for banks.

    Anywhere there's cash, there are thieves. That's expected. And NO ONE knows who has what. That's paranoia driven stuff. The issue then comes down to whether you want to keep taking chances and if you're prepared for it. I chose preparation. I ALWAYS valet park unless the casino is very easy-in/easy-out, I never dress very good when I go, I rarely wear my expensive watch, and I carried a gun in my bag right next to my cash up until 2009. Never was followed, harrassed, or had any trouble anywhere, and still haven't.

  6. #26
    I really don't get why some continue to be so foolish to keep feeding this troll. There is no reasoning with this character. The only thing you'll get while discussing anything Singer says or claims is insults, sarcasm and belittlement. Obviously some people around here enjoy to be spit in the face every day. You're at the right address with Singer for that. So please continue to cherish this treasure

  7. #27
    Vegas_lover I agree with you. He is being absolutely ridiculous. In a previous post he pretty much told us that he doesn't have a credit line and questioned if he could get one given that he is not employed. He doesn't know what he's talking about when it comes to this subject. Namely, a credit line is determined only by your checking account balance plus a check of your "credit history" with casinos. They don't even check your regular credit files or "credit score." Either Rob never applied for a credit line or can't have one because of the lack of a sufficient checking account balance or his previous bankruptcy which may or may not impacted casinos in the past.

    Regarding the miniscule number of casino robberies what Rob fails to understand is that it only has to happen to you once and it is no longer a miniscule problem.

    If this character is really carrying around large amounts of cash it tells me that he either can't qualify for a credit line or he is being a show off.

    Hey... if the casinos have blocked you from having a credit line well then it would make sense that you criticize anyone who has a credit line.

  8. #28
    And yet you continue to provide him with a platform and a dedicated part of your website to spread his growing pile of crap. I will never get that and I won't even try to understand it anymore. You are not providing any service if you think that. You are only giving a sick individual his "daily fix". There is absolutely nothing educational in Singer's words. The only thing we know now (as we did about two years ago) is that this man is a raging lunatic. I'm not trying to attack you Alan I just really don't understand why you invest so much time in this bs.

  9. #29
    There is some value in the things that Rob says. And then, he is misguided in other things. I think it is important to get all the information "out there" for everyone to discuss.

    Actually, there might be those who agree with Rob about credit lines and Rob should have the opportunity to present his views -- just as you have the opportunity to disagree.

    It would be wrong not to discuss his views freely and openly otherwise he just as easily could publish his one-sided views himself without an opportunity for discussion.

  10. #30
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    There is some value in the things that Rob says. And then, he is misguided in other things. I think it is important to get all the information "out there" for everyone to discuss.

    Actually, there might be those who agree with Rob about credit lines and Rob should have the opportunity to present his views -- just as you have the opportunity to disagree.

    It would be wrong not to discuss his views freely and openly otherwise he just as easily could publish his one-sided views himself without an opportunity for discussion.
    That still doesn't explain why you invest so much time in this. You are the one forum member that's into this back and forth discussion the most. It's Singer against the rest with you being "head of the opposition". If you'd spend as much time into develloping this Vegas forum into something useful as you spend discussing all this Singer crap you could actually have something good in your hands. Something that would make you some money as well (at least more than covering part of your expenses). So I really don't understand part of your reasoning. I always thought the idea behind creating a forum is to have some interesting (educational) conversations and a growing group of active contributors. You're not achieving that because you gain some members but you lose just as many because of all Singer's crap. He derails every topic and makes it about him and his nonsense. But, anyhow, feel free to continue. I'll check in from time to time to see if anything's changed but I'm not counting on it.

  11. #31
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Regnis, I agree these things happen. But I will NEVER do anything any casino wants me to do ....not if I expect to win. Casino credit isn't some "benefit" (ie, the foolish "interest-free loan" excuse) that casinos just "give away" out of the kindness of their hearts. It's one of their most effective money-making tools, just as credit cards are for banks.

    Anywhere there's cash, there are thieves. That's expected. And NO ONE knows who has what. That's paranoia driven stuff. The issue then comes down to whether you want to keep taking chances and if you're prepared for it. I chose preparation. I ALWAYS valet park unless the casino is very easy-in/easy-out, I never dress very good when I go, I rarely wear my expensive watch, and I carried a gun in my bag right next to my cash up until 2009. Never was followed, harrassed, or had any trouble anywhere, and still haven't.
    ok--I fly to Vegas--so can't carry a gun. I wear shorts and a t shirt--winter or summer--no flash. I also never show any emotion or excitement--you never know I have won. Unless you are at the craps table and see me cash out, or at the cage and see me cash out. I am aware of my surroundings and try not to get in an elevator alone. But it happened once at about 3 A.M.. I was ready to fight but instead got lucky that a door opened.

    At the race track, I get a manager to take me privately into his office to get paid so as to avoid any onlookers. I don't even want the tellers to know. I have won large amounts and no one will ever know. But again, it only takes one time.

    It does happen!!!

  12. #32
    I lose money on the forum and always have. It's an "open forum" and Vegas_lover you are free to post what you consider valuable.
    For me, this forum was just a simple, low-cost addition to my regular website which I need for my TV shows.
    The TV shows pay the bills, and not this forum. Even Dan doesn't profit from this forum. If anything, its a free service to those who want to use it.

    Regarding Rob's articles on my website (and the videos) that is also free and open and if Bob Dancer wants his stuff published here I would publish it also. And if redietz wants to publish his gaming info here the offer is also open to him. It costs me nothing to add pages. I already have more than 400 pages on the main site -- and that doesn't include the Forum.

  13. #33
    I mostly agree with his article about casino tipping (though I'm not as hard-line as he is).

    I disagree with his "special plays" foolishness.
    Check out my poker forum, and weekly internet radio show at http://pokerfraudalert.com

  14. #34
    Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    I mostly agree with his article about casino tipping (though I'm not as hard-line as he is).
    For the purpose of discussion, what do you "mostly" agree with?

  15. #35
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    I lose money on the forum and always have. It's an "open forum" and Vegas_lover you are free to post what you consider valuable.
    For me, this forum was just a simple, low-cost addition to my regular website which I need for my TV shows.
    The TV shows pay the bills, and not this forum. Even Dan doesn't profit from this forum. If anything, its a free service to those who want to use it.

    Regarding Rob's articles on my website (and the videos) that is also free and open and if Bob Dancer wants his stuff published here I would publish it also. And if redietz wants to publish his gaming info here the offer is also open to him. It costs me nothing to add pages. I already have more than 400 pages on the main site -- and that doesn't include the Forum.
    Alan: My thanks to you and Dan Druff for running the Best Buys forum and website. It has added plenty of reading enjoyment during my free time over the past couple years.

  16. #36
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Vegas_lover I agree with you. He is being absolutely ridiculous. In a previous post he pretty much told us that he doesn't have a credit line and questioned if he could get one given that he is not employed. He doesn't know what he's talking about when it comes to this subject. Namely, a credit line is determined only by your checking account balance plus a check of your "credit history" with casinos. They don't even check your regular credit files or "credit score." Either Rob never applied for a credit line or can't have one because of the lack of a sufficient checking account balance or his previous bankruptcy which may or may not impacted casinos in the past.

    Regarding the miniscule number of casino robberies what Rob fails to understand is that it only has to happen to you once and it is no longer a miniscule problem.

    If this character is really carrying around large amounts of cash it tells me that he either can't qualify for a credit line or he is being a show off.

    Hey... if the casinos have blocked you from having a credit line well then it would make sense that you criticize anyone who has a credit line.
    That's just dumb Alan. You're only acting this way because of how the ugly truth about Souther Californians and their beloved use of credit to impress each other, angers you.

    The same goes for casino credit lines. I'm no expert on HOW they approve lines, but I AM an expert in WHY they do. One thing I know you're wrong about is the job verification, which can be done many ways. No place of business would ever give someone an unsecured loan without confirming there's an income. That's common sense. And if you've every actually played in a high limit slots room and won big instead of sitting at gotcha machines on the main floor that just happen to go as high as $5, you'd know the first thing the suit says is "would you like to open a personal credit line with the casino?" Again, only a fool who plays right into a casino's hands by having cash readily available when that far-too-often gambling-fix bug bites, uses casino credit and/or casino cash advance machines. Gee, too bad you can't tip those machines. Wouldn't that be the end-all in casino ownership of you??

    So please do tell: when I carry a lot of cash, you now claim (of course, because I hit a very sensitive nerve about the one-upmanship that goes on where you live, and how so many people drive cars they can't afford just for perception purposes) that I do it as a "show off"? Then explain it so even the red, white, & blue-bleeding foreigner can understand: Do I carry a sign? Do I staple hundies to my hat? Or maybe I throw 'em around every now & then! C'Mon man
    Last edited by Rob.Singer; 05-28-2014 at 12:20 PM.

  17. #37
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    For the purpose of discussion, what do you "mostly" agree with?
    I'd be most interested in what it is about the special plays he finds foolish. I'll discuss the issue w/o insults in hopes that my answers might help others better understand them and how their use may be beneficial when used in conjunction with other strong approaches to the game.

  18. #38
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    That's just dumb Alan. You're only acting this way because of how the ugly truth about Souther Californians and their beloved use of credit to impress each other, angers you.

    The same goes for casino credit lines. I'm no expert on HOW they approve lines, but I AM an expert in WHY they do. One thing I know you're wrong about is the job verification, which can be done many ways. No place of business would ever give someone an unsecured loan without confirming there's an income.
    You're digging a deeper hole for yourself, Rob. Now you are lumping everyone in Southern Cal as being lovers of credit. Why don't you take the next step and say the problem with Southern Californians is that they are all from Europe or the Middle East?

    Secondly, I haven't been "employed" in the last 8 years -- I am self employed and own my business. There is no one to verify my income nor do I have "regular income." Over the past 8 years Ive renewed my credit line several times at Caesars and the only thing I gave them was my checking account account number.

  19. #39
    Alan, I just looked at a Nevada casino's app for casino credit. It REQUIRES the applicant list their income source. Get it yet? So you're just blowing some more of that California Flake smoke into the conversation....the same type of smoke when you attempt to claim Southern Californians are not credit-happy one-upmanship fanatics. And the more money you have, the more credit you need and find a way to get.

    If I said that about people in Southern Texas, now you might be able to reasonably argue that. But in the dog-eat-dog/image-crazy/over-priced/over-taxed/illegal alien & minority-infested place you have to deal with? No chance in hell you can deny it with a straight face. Misplaced pride, yes. But reality is a very tough nut to crack.
    Last edited by Rob.Singer; 05-28-2014 at 03:23 PM.

  20. #40
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Alan, I just looked at a Nevada casino's app for casino credit. It REQUIRES the applicant list their income source. Get it yet? So you're just blowing some more of that California Flake smoke into the conversation....the same type of smoke when you attempt to claim Southern Californians are not credit-happy one-upmanship fanatics. And the more money you have, the more credit you need and find a way to get.

    If I said that about people in Southern Texas, now you might be able to reasonably argue that. But in the dog-eat-dog/image-crazy/over-priced/over-taxed/illegal alien & minority-infested place you have to deal with? No chance in hell you can deny it with a straight face. Misplaced pride, yes. But reality is a very tough nut to crack.
    Maybe Vegas_lover was right... having a conversation with you is a waste of time.

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