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  1. #41
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Originally Posted by Dan Druff
    I mostly agree with his article about casino tipping (though I'm not as hard-line as he is).
    For the purpose of discussion, what do you "mostly" agree with?
    I agree with his general philosophy regarding casino tipping.

    Casinos should start paying employees better base salaries, and the whole practice of tipping them should stop.

    The handpay tips are especially ridiculous, because handpay isn't a service. It's something that's done according to gaming law. Rob is correct that you don't tip bank tellers for doing essentially the same job. It has also gotten obnoxious how entitled a lot of these handpayers have gotten, to where a token $5-$10 tip isn't enough, and they make an angry face at you for giving them "too little". Funny how these people think they are entitled to big tips, yet the guys in the same hotel cleaning the public toilets don't get any tips at all.
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  2. #42
    I've never had any casino employee EVER wait around for a tip. Sometimes, I have to "chase after" a floor person at Caesars or Rincon to tip them. They routinely hand me the paperwork and the money and turn and start walking. So in short, I've never had an experience of workers "wanting" or "expecting" tips.

    Even when I've played cash games at poker dealers do not have their "hands out." I often forget to tip at cash games because I usually play tournaments where there is no tipping on individual hands -- and no poker dealer has ever given me a bad look or an angry face. And when I "catch myself" for not tipping, I always get a warm thank you and smile.

    Now about the subject of tipping: I don't mind tipping at all. Yes, I agree that the casinos should pay these people more, and even if they were better paid I probably would still tip as appropriate... just as I tip house keepers, and cab drivers, and valets, and waitresses, etc.

    However, with that said, twice I was at craps tables where the dealers were "tip hustling" but that was the exception. It happened twice in more than 20 years of going to casinos.

  3. #43
    Speaking of credit--what do you think is up with this local casino that shall remain nameless. I have had a small line of credit there for 20 years. It used to be my main place for craps, but for the last few years I go there every month or so for VP. All these 20 years I have had a small $5,000 line of credit, and have never even been late once on payment. And nothing has changed in my financial situation if they happened to have run an updated credit report.

    So I go to the cage to get a marker for $2,500, and the cage supervisor who I have known for years and always have a friendly conversation with comes over with a sour look and tells me my line has been reduced to $1,000. I ask why and she says that periodically they review your play and my play doesn't justify the $5,00 line of credit. So I sit down and play a little VP and the guy next to me says they did the same thing to him.

    What's up with this? They just lost me as a player after all these years for no reason or at least no reason that I can understand. I'll only go back there to use up my comps--they have a decent steak house.

    What are they doing??

  4. #44
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    I've never had any casino employee EVER wait around for a tip. Sometimes, I have to "chase after" a floor person at Caesars or Rincon to tip them. They routinely hand me the paperwork and the money and turn and start walking. So in short, I've never had an experience of workers "wanting" or "expecting" tips.

    Even when I've played cash games at poker dealers do not have their "hands out." I often forget to tip at cash games because I usually play tournaments where there is no tipping on individual hands -- and no poker dealer has ever given me a bad look or an angry face. And when I "catch myself" for not tipping, I always get a warm thank you and smile.

    Now about the subject of tipping: I don't mind tipping at all. Yes, I agree that the casinos should pay these people more, and even if they were better paid I probably would still tip as appropriate... just as I tip house keepers, and cab drivers, and valets, and waitresses, etc.

    However, with that said, twice I was at craps tables where the dealers were "tip hustling" but that was the exception. It happened twice in more than 20 years of going to casinos.
    I thought you recently told a story of an obnoxious woman handpaying you at an airport VP machine.
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  5. #45
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Maybe Vegas_lover was right... having a conversation with you is a waste of time.
    For certain personalities, it must be. Teachable moments are not their bag.

  6. #46
    Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    I agree with his general philosophy regarding casino tipping.

    Casinos should start paying employees better base salaries, and the whole practice of tipping them should stop.

    The handpay tips are especially ridiculous, because handpay isn't a service. It's something that's done according to gaming law. Rob is correct that you don't tip bank tellers for doing essentially the same job. It has also gotten obnoxious how entitled a lot of these handpayers have gotten, to where a token $5-$10 tip isn't enough, and they make an angry face at you for giving them "too little". Funny how these people think they are entitled to big tips, yet the guys in the same hotel cleaning the public toilets don't get any tips at all.
    There's a thread on vpfree discussing cruise ship tipping. Everyone who doesn't mind NCL inserting a "tip fee" into the cost that has to be paid, keeps saying it's because they're "concerned" over how low a wage the service people get aboard ships. That's code for "I hate that I'm forced to pay this fee and I'd rather dish out cash on an as-earned basis. But if I want this partially comped cruise, I'd better stick to the popular narrative about wages".

    We as customers, regardless of the venue, should never have any concern for what anyone else is being paid, and as such, it's not any of our business to be made to feel that it's up to us to make up for poor wages if they aren't being paid what we consider "fairly". I've been on 3 cruises in my life, and each time I felt the announced tipping policy, which always specified the minimum acceptable, was stupid and for intimidation purposes so that the weak would just fork it over. We were always told to leave the cash in an envelope and hand it to the steward on the way off the ship. My policy prevailed however, in that I never left any envelope full of money and instead chose to tip anyone whom I felt earned it in real time.

  7. #47
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    Last edited by Rob.Singer; 05-29-2014 at 01:21 PM.

  8. #48
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    I've never had any casino employee EVER wait around for a tip. Sometimes, I have to "chase after" a floor person at Caesars or Rincon to tip them. They routinely hand me the paperwork and the money and turn and start walking. So in short, I've never had an experience of workers "wanting" or "expecting" tips.

    Even when I've played cash games at poker dealers do not have their "hands out." I often forget to tip at cash games because I usually play tournaments where there is no tipping on individual hands -- and no poker dealer has ever given me a bad look or an angry face. And when I "catch myself" for not tipping, I always get a warm thank you and smile.

    Now about the subject of tipping: I don't mind tipping at all. Yes, I agree that the casinos should pay these people more, and even if they were better paid I probably would still tip as appropriate... just as I tip house keepers, and cab drivers, and valets, and waitresses, etc.

    However, with that said, twice I was at craps tables where the dealers were "tip hustling" but that was the exception. It happened twice in more than 20 years of going to casinos.
    Alan, that's just silly. EVERY floor person wants and expects a tip after a hand pay. Some are able to walk away without showing emotion better than others. One thing they can't possibly be trained for is to react negatively to what they might think is a stiff from a playing customer. And if you're "chasing after" any floor person, there's only one reason for that: they're inside your head, and you don't want any bad feelings on the next go-around. That's all it is.....either that, or you're still enshrined in that God-awful philosophy of "we take care of our own" that I'm sure has now given you terrible Obama buyer's remorse.

    Tell me, before you leave after NOT receiving any W2G's, do you chase after these people even if you just sunk $2500 into their machines? If not, why wouldn't you feel like "making up for their low wages" in this case?

  9. #49
    Rob: (I am simply emphasizing "DETERMINATION", not screaming here)

    So you would say that leaving with an attained win or lose goal and not tipping on handpays are both part of a DETERMINATION package?

    In other words, if your DETERMINATION not to tip wavers, then your DETERMINATION to win will also eventually waver like falling dominoes?

    You have to be perfectly DETERMINED on all facets of play to keep it going, does my interpretation make sense?

  10. #50
    Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    I thought you recently told a story of an obnoxious woman handpaying you at an airport VP machine.
    Dan here is that thread about the royal and the handpay: http://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/showth...=vegas+airport

    Where did I say anything about an obnoxious floor person giving me a handpay?

  11. #51
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    For certain personalities, it must be. Teachable moments are not their bag.
    It has nothing to do with teachable moments. There's nothing for you to teach me. I'm not a gambling addict. I haven't gambled since september 2013. And besides that, 99% of what you say comes out of your ass so why waste time listening to any of it?

  12. #52
    Originally Posted by Vegas_lover View Post
    It has nothing to do with teachable moments. There's nothing for you to teach me. I'm not a gambling addict. I haven't gambled since september 2013. And besides that, 99% of what you say comes out of your ass so why waste time listening to any of it?
    Same here, V.L. Although I have gambled in 2014, I have a set budget for gambling and I stay within my limits. There is nothing that he can spew here than is meaningful enough for me to take to a casino. After perusing serious topical websites, I then come to this forum to read his blather. It provides me with my internet moron entertainment fix.

  13. #53
    Originally Posted by Vegas Vic View Post
    Same here, V.L. Although I have gambled in 2014, I have a set budget for gambling and I stay within my limits. There is nothing that he can spew here than is meaningful enough for me to take to a casino. After perusing serious topical websites, I then come to this forum to read his blather. It provides me with my internet moron entertainment fix.
    Well, this is THE place for moron entertainment. We already have over 2800 gems with complete nonsense from our resident lunatic. Oh wait, we're just jaelous of his incredible success Vic.

    Mister Singer doesn't even see how big an idiot he his. All this gambling stuff doesn't interest him anymore since he's not a professional gambler anymore. But at the same time he has over 2800 posts on this forum. Mister number two poster!

    Mister Singer doesn't have the time nore the interest in listening or responding to all the critics. He's way too busy travelling and living the good life. OVER 2800 posts on this forum prove he has very little time.

    Mister Singer isn't a professional gambler anymore. He made $100,000 a year over a period of 10 years as a professional. Now he's just a recreational gambling addict and he even makes more money at the casino's than when he was a professional. He accomplishes that by not playing his strategy consistently. If that doesn't prove his strategy is worthless than I don't know what does.

    About a week/two weeks ago Mister Singer told us he wasn't going to post anything until the end of this year. He was going to be too busy travelling. Since that statement, he's been posting almost every day. Conclusion: Yep, an abundance of moron entertainment indeed.

    Let's see how Rob is going to respond. Here are some keywords for his next response:
    Eurotrash, gays, entitlement, handouts, Obama, dominating women, gambling addiction, jealousy, being stuck where we are, drug addicts, hookers, wooden shoes, windmills, tulips.

  14. #54
    Originally Posted by Count Room View Post
    Rob: (I am simply emphasizing "DETERMINATION", not screaming here)

    So you would say that leaving with an attained win or lose goal and not tipping on handpays are both part of a DETERMINATION package?

    In other words, if your DETERMINATION not to tip wavers, then your DETERMINATION to win will also eventually waver like falling dominoes?

    You have to be perfectly DETERMINED on all facets of play to keep it going, does my interpretation make sense?
    It's not a determination not to ever tip--that part's common sense, just as not cashing checks at casinos, never using casino ATM's, and not having a casino credit line are all common sense. These things are all part of what casinos want & expect players to do, and most oblige. Is it then a coincidence that most players LOSE too? Of course not. As an example, someone like Alan does just about everything any casino could ever hope one of their disposable-income-happy customers could do....and he's as happy as a lark while he keeps transferring his money from his accounts to theirs. All those "freebies", the gas cards & discounts, special treatment, wonderful year-end gifts, that "big shot" feeling as he struts up to the cashier to "draw" on that credit line, and that "invincible feeling" he gets as he looks at all those magnificent online offers and opens the mailed-in invites with sweaty palms....this stuff is all part of the "losing ain't THAT bad" process which the casinos control their best players with. "Put a positive spin on it, & maybe it'll rub off on others" is what the casinos are always hoping for, and you see that being done here in spades.

    Determination comes into play when and if you develope a plan, and then always do it the way you told yourself you would do it. Casinos do everything in their power so you WON'T follow your plan because they want you to follow theirs. You know what I mean. Determination also comes in the form of saying you're gonna irritate the V boys, then actually DOING it, as you see here, in great BIG SPADES!
    Last edited by Rob.Singer; 05-31-2014 at 07:14 AM.

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