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  1. #21
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Over the decades Spock's skin had various tinges of green. Never consistent and I don't know why.
    Had to be your TV Alan, because only his blood was green. If you've ever seen the color (ok, colour for our feeling-left-out whiner overseas) version of Forbidden Planet, you'd swear parts of Robbie The Robot were green also. Now isn't that a nice name they gave their "perfect" creation?

  2. #22
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Had to be your TV Alan, because only his blood was green.
    Let's go to the Internet for some facts:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulcan_%28Star_Trek%29
    http://www.cafemom.com/answers/36721...ave_green_skin


  3. #23
    Any greenish tint for the original series is probably coloration error. Spock's skin in the original series isn't green.

  4. #24
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Any greenish tint for the original series is probably coloration error. Spock's skin in the original series isn't green.
    I think you should go back and read some of the articles on the web... you might change your mind about this. In the early days of the TV series color TV was generally new, as was the development of the character. In the later movies there was also some "artistic license" applied.

    Do a web search for:

    Mister Spock's Odd Green Color: RCMA Color Process Foundation Make-Up "LN-1"

  5. #25
    Burning. Burning.

    Pointy green ears burning.
    Last edited by Spock; 06-14-2014 at 05:41 PM.

  6. #26
    I think the proper way to evaluate this is to read the material on what skin color was intended for Mr. Spock, not the greenish tint often given to various other Vulcans on the show. Spock was originally supposed to have red skin with a skullcap, but that was abandoned because it was too obvious a Luciferian look and his skin would look blackish on tv. The original pilot had Spock with a more devilish look (intended by writers) than what was settled upon for his role under Kirk. As the series progressed, Spock's slightly off-color makeup was abandoned and his skin became pink-as-a-human's.

    I guess my argument is that whatever the series writers eventually settled on as Spock's skin color would supercede what came before. There was no storyline where Spock's skin became more pink for one reason or another.

    I can't speak on the movies.
    Last edited by redietz; 06-15-2014 at 07:34 AM.

  7. #27
    Alan, he didn't't have green skin and was never intended to have green skin. What Spock nerds say is irrelevant. Cheap TV's are likely the cause of this assertion.

  8. #28
    All I have to say on this topic is I hate whenever they send the casino hosts around. I swear the machines are deader than a doornail until they leave. The past 5 times they have come around have borne this out. I wager my lowest until they leave. It's almost as if they KNOW and they try to keep you there.

  9. #29
    Originally Posted by slingshot View Post
    All I have to say on this topic is I hate whenever they send the casino hosts around. I swear the machines are deader than a doornail until they leave. The past 5 times they have come around have borne this out. I wager my lowest until they leave. It's almost as if they KNOW and they try to keep you there.
    At the Horseshoe Indiana (north), they started doing this about a year ago. The minute you sit down at the machine your card triggers a visit from a "host". These are not your old time hosts who can actually do anything for you. These are now young, usually pretty girls, who have no authority to give you anything at all. Yet they have to come over and say I'm so and so--is there anything I can do for you. Since I'm not a mean person or looking for confrontation I never say yes and ask for anything, but since everything is now just points, what is the purpose of this "visit" from the host? If you ask for tickets to a show, they make you pay with your points. Dinner---your points. So what exactly can they do for me?

  10. #30
    Originally Posted by slingshot View Post
    and they try to keep you there.
    Exactly, which is what aggravates me to no end. In my case floor people have literally tried to get me to keep playing, even to move up to higher stakes, and to move to progressive games which I have no interest in playing and the only motivation for them to do it is to get me to play more and more.

    I play enough, and I don't need them "cheering me on" to get me to play more. Now... if they were contributing "coin in" they would be welcome to cheer me on all they like....

  11. #31
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Exactly, which is what aggravates me to no end. In my case floor people have literally tried to get me to keep playing, even to move up to higher stakes, and to move to progressive games which I have no interest in playing and the only motivation for them to do it is to get me to play more and more.

    I play enough, and I don't need them "cheering me on" to get me to play more. Now... if they were contributing "coin in" they would be welcome to cheer me on all they like....
    C'mon, Alan! You can DO it! Rah! Rah! Rah!

  12. #32
    Originally Posted by Count Room View Post
    C'mon, Alan! You can DO it! Rah! Rah! Rah!
    That was pretty much what a slots supervisor was saying when she actually took the seat next to me. (See my original post.) And that's why I might never play video poker at Caesars Palace again -- and told my host that.

  13. #33
    Originally Posted by regnis View Post
    At the Horseshoe Indiana (north), they started doing this about a year ago. The minute you sit down at the machine your card triggers a visit from a "host". These are not your old time hosts who can actually do anything for you. These are now young, usually pretty girls, who have no authority to give you anything at all. Yet they have to come over and say I'm so and so--is there anything I can do for you. Since I'm not a mean person or looking for confrontation I never say yes and ask for anything, but since everything is now just points, what is the purpose of this "visit" from the host? If you ask for tickets to a show, they make you pay with your points. Dinner---your points. So what exactly can they do for me?
    Yeah this is one really aggravating thing about CET, to where you are forced to use your RCs before hosts give you anything.

    I know they occasionally make exceptions for regular/frequent/high-limit players, but everyone else gets the obnoxious answer of, "The show tickets are $200 each, so I'll take 40,000 RCs and set you up with seats, okay?"

    I also hate it when friends/peers have a hard time understanding that RCs have real value, and aren't just for wasting. Like, I will have someone come up to me and say, "Hey, I want to take 6 people to the Bacchanal Buffet, it's going to cost me $270. How much would you charge me to use your rewards credits?" Then when I say something like $220, they get mad at me and act like I'm trying to take advantage of them. I get a counter offer of like $175. I reply back, "Hey, I can cash that same $270 in RCs for like $216 in freeplay, so why would I want to sell them for $175 AND have to go to the trouble of going down to the buffet to buy your meal?", they still don't understand and keep repeating, "But those are COMPS! I'm offering you CASH!"
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  14. #34
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    That was pretty much what a slots supervisor was saying when she actually took the seat next to me. (See my original post.) And that's why I might never play video poker at Caesars Palace again -- and told my host that.
    Alan: Rob did have a good point in saying there are tons of different casinos to choose from in Nevada with decent paytables. Green Valley Ranch, Red Rock, TI, Gold Coast, ....endless variety..

    I myself like to go to several different casinos just to shake things up a bit and see what different types of mailers I receive instead of being tied down to one company.

    It feels a bit like opening fun Christmas presents each month with several different casino companies sending me several different coupon mailing "wrappers".

    (Yes, yes I know the harsh reality of theoretical losses guiding the casino coupon printing software, but it does appeal to my inner child in a way.)

  15. #35
    I agree it is extraordinary irritating when any employee chooses to sit beside a vp player to shoot the cheese, for whatever reason. Who wants to socialize when they're playing a game meant to be played alone? And Alan, if there's someone at Caesars actually bothering you like that, even as a non-meany, it would be understandable if you handed out an insult or two.

    I myself like places that give comps without messing with points. Places like CET are especially aggravating with their "use your points if you want it" attitude. That's one reason I've always liked checking in and playing at a dump like Sam's Town thru the years, although I rarely stayed there. Every month for years on end an offer came that included a hundred bucks and a Gold Card, which was good for meals and drinks without restriction throughout the property. The Johnny Walker Blue, Jose Cuervo 1942, high end wines & champagnes, great gourmet Italian dinners at Fellini's, and the countless salmon & lobster tail dinners at Billy Bob's, all without hassle because of my card, were memorable. And Alan, they only required $20,000 thru per "stay" to get that offer, and probably still do. I always pulled my card after hitting that number, so they never knew the true amount of the constant spankings I used to give them.

  16. #36
    Actually, on my last trip to LV I did check out the VP at Red Rock and found it disgusting -- and even worse than Caesars. Bonus pay tables started at 6/5 all the way up to $1. There were a few (very few) 8/5 Bonus games at $2 and $5 and a few at $1 but for the most part you were playing 6/5 Bonus or 7/5 Bonus.

    Double Double Bonus had the same inferior paytables you would find at Caesars.

    Even craps at Red Rock was inferior with lower pays on the horn bets and the max fire bet was $5.

    What happened to that place? I won't be going back. Ironically, I went there with some locals who promised me they'd show me some great games to play.

  17. #37
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Actually, on my last trip to LV I did check out the VP at Red Rock and found it disgusting -- and even worse than Caesars. Bonus pay tables started at 6/5 all the way up to $1. There were a few (very few) 8/5 Bonus games at $2 and $5 and a few at $1 but for the most part you were playing 6/5 Bonus or 7/5 Bonus.

    Double Double Bonus had the same inferior paytables you would find at Caesars.

    Even craps at Red Rock was inferior with lower pays on the horn bets and the max fire bet was $5.

    What happened to that place? I won't be going back. Ironically, I went there with some locals who promised me they'd show me some great games to play.
    VP 101....again. Red Rock has superior games than BP, such as SDBP and TBP+. They also have 10/6 ddbp, and $1-$25 machines with all the good games in the high limit area. Your fascination with paytables vs. what games are available is extraordinary. If you think you can stop in and win on 8/5 BP and believe you will lose on the 7/5 version, you will never get any of it.

    T-Bones is a FAR superior steakhouse than anything any of the CET properties in LV has. The casino also has a much easier discretionary comp policy.

  18. #38
    Sorry Rob but I am particular about the games I play. I will walk if "my games" are not available. I want low variance and I am not a high roller like you.

  19. #39
    $5 games actually ARE high roller games for vp players, and they are much better at RR than at CET. That's what you play....a lot. Plus there's the comps and discretionary comps you didn't mention, and for someone like you who doesn't travel, RR's would be worth a heck of a lot more.

    One thing I failed to mention: the rooms at RR are FAR SUPERIOR to the best ones at Caesars, and it is in a section of town that doesn't even compare to the foreigner-infested Strip. You have a lot to learn but face it, you are so extraordinary addicted to what you've told yourself is a no-way-out situation to the TR system, that you will never allow yourself the opportunities to experience the many better options out there. I just wonder how you ever let yourself get roped into that whole thing.
    Last edited by Rob.Singer; 06-19-2014 at 08:25 AM.

  20. #40
    Rob there are forum members here who will tell you that I rarely play $5 vp. I reached 7stars this year with a profit playing $2.

    I am tired of your bigoted remarks.

    There is no room for an asshole here on this forum. Final warning.

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