To my friend: stop going to casinos.

[Keystone]

Bump. The great Robocchio.

Looks like ape #3 on the evolution chart

[RS__]

I just read the OP and figured Alan was talking to himself.

[MaxPen]

This is an open letter to my friend: please stop going to casinos.

You and I met in a casino about a year ago and developed a friendship. I was impressed because you described yourself as an "advantage player" who took advantage of casino promotions and offers, and you played the right games and made the right bets and you won money. You were reaping in the comps. You were having a good time. We even traveled to Las Vegas together to take advantage of offers there including free rooms and free meals and we even beat a casino in Vegas by teaming up with a doey-don't system at craps which returned a nice profit for us.

But now, I am going to ask you to stop going because it is clear to me that you are no longer having fun, and having fun at casinos is the only thing you can really bank on. No one can bank on winning, and if you're not having fun it is pointless to go.

I should have told you this a couple of weeks ago when you told me you lost your bankroll after some poor sessions at poker and craps and video poker, and it surprised me that a week later you were back at the casino.

But it is clear to me you are not having "fun" anymore.

"Fun" can be defined several ways: Winning is of course a great way to have fun but you haven't been winning. Getting comps that are worth more than your actual losses can also be fun. Going to shows and events can also be fun. Having great dinners can also be fun. But you've told me nothing in the past couple of weeks that indicate you've had any fun at all.

And just tonight you complained that a free shuttle bus was literally three minutes late. Can you possibly be having "fun" if you have to make a big deal over a free shuttle bus being 3 minutes late?

You are no longer winning. Your comps have been reduced. You've had a lot of bad luck. You never said you rebuilt your bankroll. So, my friend, stop going.

The casino is no place for you now. Your "advantage playing" is no longer giving you an advantage. You are not getting the comps you used to get and you are no longer winning.

You described yourself as an expert mathematician who played by the numbers. Now look at the numbers -- because they no longer add up to being positive on the fun meter.

Was really hoping you were absent due to getting the help you need. Oh well.

[Rob.Singer]

That open letter is 100% truly the epitaph of every single self-proclaimed "advantage player" who has ever lived....except the few who have been very, very lucky.

[slingshot]

Spock, thanks for putting up the VP Truth articles- gave me something to enjoy for an hour without having to dodge hecklers. Too bad some aren't viewable anymore. Found out I was wrong about " What's wrong with a positive progression?" being his last article.

[Rob.Singer]

Spock, thanks for putting up the VP Truth articles- gave me something to enjoy for an hour without having to dodge hecklers. Too bad some aren't viewable anymore. Found out I was wrong about " What's wrong with a positive progression?" being his last article.

Make no mistake--there's a lot to be thankful for with spock. Other than his constant posting of my many accolades, one item would be his unparalled comparison to the creepy porn lawyer Michael Avenatti. No matter how many times he loses with his weak spinning of the facts, he keeps coming back for more. We await his next submission.

[AxelWolf]

I admit it's luck along with my highly efficient and intelligent play that makes me able to be a consistent vp winner,

Gee Rob, if it is luck + your play I guess that means "your play" doesn't have any special significance?

In one of your very own interview videos with Rob he addmits he only wins because he gets lucky.

[AxelWolf]

This is an open letter to my friend: please stop going to casinos.

You and I met in a casino about a year ago and developed a friendship. I was impressed because you described yourself as an "advantage player" who took advantage of casino promotions and offers, and you played the right games and made the right bets and you won money. You were reaping in the comps. You were having a good time. We even traveled to Las Vegas together to take advantage of offers there including free rooms and free meals and we even beat a casino in Vegas by teaming up with a doey-don't system at craps which returned a nice profit for us.

But now, I am going to ask you to stop going because it is clear to me that you are no longer having fun, and having fun at casinos is the only thing you can really bank on. No one can bank on winning, and if you're not having fun it is pointless to go.

I should have told you this a couple of weeks ago when you told me you lost your bankroll after some poor sessions at poker and craps and video poker, and it surprised me that a week later you were back at the casino.

But it is clear to me you are not having "fun" anymore.

"Fun" can be defined several ways: Winning is of course a great way to have fun but you haven't been winning. Getting comps that are worth more than your actual losses can also be fun. Going to shows and events can also be fun. Having great dinners can also be fun. But you've told me nothing in the past couple of weeks that indicate you've had any fun at all.

And just tonight you complained that a free shuttle bus was literally three minutes late. Can you possibly be having "fun" if you have to make a big deal over a free shuttle bus being 3 minutes late?

You are no longer winning. Your comps have been reduced. You've had a lot of bad luck. You never said you rebuilt your bankroll. So, my friend, stop going.

The casino is no place for you now. Your "advantage playing" is no longer giving you an advantage. You are not getting the comps you used to get and you are no longer winning.

You described yourself as an expert mathematician who played by the numbers. Now look at the numbers -- because they no longer add up to being positive on the fun meter.

I have a feeling your friend isn't really an advantage player, at least not a very good one. He may on occasion just happen to play with an advantage, but so do little old ladies. The fact that he has partnered up with you on occasion is the BEST evidence that he is NOT AN ADVANTAGE PLAYER.

[AxelWolf]

Rob is correct about not being able to prove wins, but a mans credibility can be proven over time. For instance, I tend to believe Alan to be a man of his word, some others ..... not so much.

Apparently, you didn't see where he lied/made up and repeated the same BS multiple times about his son hitting 5 single Royals in one day and still losing(to prove a point). Then his own son refuted Alan's ridiculous claim(I think he only hit 2, a far cry from 5 when talking about Royals). He even went into a 5k bluff mode. He had multiple opportunities over a few years to clear things up.

And you actully believe 18 yos in a row????? Come on, no one, not even his own family and close friends believes that BS either.

Have you seen where he likes to play deceptive word games? He will purposely phrase things so when he ends up losing an argument and is proven wrong he has something to fall back on.

[Rob.Singer]

Rob is correct about not being able to prove wins, but a mans credibility can be proven over time. For instance, I tend to believe Alan to be a man of his word, some others ..... not so much.

Apparently, you didn't see where he lied/made up and repeated the same BS multiple times about his son hitting 5 single Royals in one day and still losing(to prove a point). Then his own son refuted Alan's ridiculous claim(I think he only hit 2, a far cry from 5 when talking about Royals). He even went into a 5k bluff mode. He had multiple opportunities over a few years to clear things up.

And you actully believe 18 yos in a row????? Come on, no one, not even his own family and close friends believes that BS either.

Have you seen where he likes to play deceptive word games? He will purposely phrase things so when he ends up losing an argument and is proven wrong he has something to fall back on.

My son has never played vp and probably never will. Although he's received A LOT from me because of my generosity and is very thankful for it, he has no interest in casinos.

Once there's a solid understanding of the game, GOOD LUCK is the only way anyone ever wins in video poker.

[slingshot]

Rob- were some of the articles removed on purpose? There were some important AND controversial articles removed and I once read them just as constant reminders to help with discipline- one of my weaknesses😇

[seemoreroyals]

Rob is correct about not being able to prove wins, but a mans credibility can be proven over time. For instance, I tend to believe Alan to be a man of his word, some others ..... not so much.

Apparently, you didn't see where he lied/made up and repeated the same BS multiple times about his son hitting 5 single Royals in one day and still losing(to prove a point). Then his own son refuted Alan's ridiculous claim(I think he only hit 2, a far cry from 5 when talking about Royals). He even went into a 5k bluff mode. He had multiple opportunities over a few years to clear things up.

And you actully believe 18 yos in a row????? Come on, no one, not even his own family and close friends believes that BS either.

Have you seen where he likes to play deceptive word games? He will purposely phrase things so when he ends up losing an argument and is proven wrong he has something to fall back on.

My son has never played vp and probably never will. Although he's received A LOT from me because of my generosity and is very thankful for it, he has no interest in casinos.

Once there's a solid understanding of the game, GOOD LUCK is the only way anyone ever wins in video poker.

Most honest post you or anyone else has made on this forum.

[jbjb]

Apparently, you didn't see where he lied/made up and repeated the same BS multiple times about his son hitting 5 single Royals in one day and still losing(to prove a point). Then his own son refuted Alan's ridiculous claim(I think he only hit 2, a far cry from 5 when talking about Royals). He even went into a 5k bluff mode. He had multiple opportunities over a few years to clear things up.

And you actully believe 18 yos in a row????? Come on, no one, not even his own family and close friends believes that BS either.

Have you seen where he likes to play deceptive word games? He will purposely phrase things so when he ends up losing an argument and is proven wrong he has something to fall back on.

My son has never played vp and probably never will. Although he's received A LOT from me because of my generosity and is very thankful for it, he has no interest in casinos.

Once there's a solid understanding of the game, GOOD LUCK is the only way anyone ever wins in video poker.

Most honest post you or anyone else has made on this forum.

I don't need luck. Luck doesn't exist.

[mickeycrimm]

Red, the last 4 or 5 years I've been pointing out that fact on vpFree about CET having zilch for AP vp (Harrahs mostly in the earlier part of that) and I did it every time Dancer or the Queen came on to give their constant tooting over their 7-Stars status. I regularly asked how such high-octane names in the "AP" world could get away with claiming as such when they were putting millions thru CET's poker machines. And of course, no answers were ever offered, and I was always scolded by the administrator for harrassing such noble names.However, it started an AVALANCHE of emailed private discussions every time. People are very aware of my point, and they are very aware of the charade.

First time I've gone over this thread. I was not a member when it was active. When I joined vpFREE along about 2005 Singer was long gone from the forum. vpFREE is a heavily moderated forum and he couldn't follow the rules. Then he reappeared on the forum just before Bob Dancer announced his divorce. That was sometime in the early 2010's. He had agreed to follow the rules. That lasted maybe a month and he was permanently banned from the site. He had gone into harassing Dancer over the divorce and that was the last straw with vpFREE.

Since I had joined the forum it was only this short window of time that Singer posted there. But in the above post Singer is saying he was warning vpFREE'ers for 4 or 5 years. You can't even find 4 or 5 months where he was posting there.

[mickeycrimm]

redietz: craps is a negative expectation game. There is no bet on the craps table which gives any player an advantage. Therefore craps cannot be an advantage play. I sincerely doubt that any player gets more in comps than what they lose at a craps table as craps is one of the games with some of the smallest comps available.

Anyone who tells me that they lost $5K in cash to get $10 thousand to $12 thousand in comps probably is one hell of a fisherman also -- but too many big ones got away. I don't believe it.

It's absolute BS.

I personally know someone who had his card benefits revoked at the El Dorado/Reno and all he was playing was craps. He bet the passline with 3X4X5 freeodds. That cut the house edge to under half percent. He gave up the advantage up front but well made up for it with the mailers. He was getting bounceback/comp plus invites to all the high roller freeroll tournaments and he was specifically an expert at craps tournaments. He and/or his wife won most of them. They eventually revoked his card benefits over it.

[mickeycrimm]

Rob, that's one thing I've always wondered -- how or why can Scott or Dancer be Seven Stars (or even Diamond) at CET and claim to be advantage players? How does that work?

I'll answer this one for you Rob because it's very simple (and I'm trying to prevent you making a fool out of yourself again). If Rob Singer can be a consistent winner at -EV games in any casino (because he gives luck a better chance to appear.....or whatever) why can't Scott or Dancer be Seven Stars at CET and advantage players at the same time? Maybe their results are above average because they're lucky?

It was sometime in the late 2000's when a conversation broke out on vpFREE about a bank of machines at Caesar's Palace that had been set on 4% theo. They were all bad pay games, even a couple of keno games, except for 9/6 Jacks. Those who were in on it, probably includes Dancer and Scott, were getting massive amounts of freeplay. One member, Paladin, got all pissed off it was being exposed on vpFREE.

[mickeycrimm]

So losing 5000 dollars (out of pocket money) at the slots could mean you've ran 25000 or more dollars through the machine. Could it be that the bean counters, count the same way in craps?

At video poker, you are lucky to get 1% of your coin-in back as comps. With $25,000 of coin in you are looking at $250 worth of comps.
You'll never get that comp level in craps or at any table game.

Redietz was claiming that somehow a $5,000 loss in craps would yield a fantasmic return in comps of $10K or more. Never.

If played right $1,000,000 in action at craps would have a theoretical $5,000 loss. How much comp would the 1 mil action get?

[mickeycrimm]

I am going to anticipate redietz's response and I think this is what he is going to say supports his original statement:

When discretionary comps were more common, my odds bets got me anything I wanted--no questions asked.

He grinds out twice the comp value as his losses each year.

So my question is, regnis, even back in the day when "discretionary comps were more common" could any craps player get $10K in comps for $5K in craps play?
I say "no."
What do you say?

It's not 5K in craps play. It's 5K in losses.

[mickeycrimm]

Rob what makes you think I don't win? I made 7stars this year with a profit thanks to a $2 royal. And I used Dancer's strategy and not yours.

Rob you seem to think everybody but you loses at video poker -- well there are many, many winners and many, if not all of them, never heard about even one of your special plays or your other self-glorified strategies.

May I suggest a little self-administered dose of humility? You might find that there are others out there who win even more than you do.

Uh oh, Mendelson is reporting a winning year here.

[mickeycrimm]

It's true that video poker is primarily a game of luck, but because there is a "fixed deck of cards" you have the ability to figure out odds and chances and getting lucky with certain combinations and certain pays. If all of that escapes you -- don't play because you might be making the wrong holds which are costing you money.

To bad you don't follow your own advice.