Where can 99.54% JoB be found at the $5 denomination at CET properties for full tiers

[FABismonte]

I remember when I was going to Rincon a lot late last year, and you mentioned liking Aces and Faces the best. Instead, I chose to play 99.40% return ACE$ instead of Aces and Faces, which is 99.26%.

I think that I am going to start taking the Alan approach, as the problem with ACE$ is that it's so unlikely to hit (FAR less than a Royal) that you are unlikely to ever get it if you're only running 20,000 hands like I am. To show you how unlikely, I only have about a 6.6% chance of hitting ACE$ when I run 20,000 hands of VP! So I could play my usual allocation of video poker for 15 years, and would only be likely to hit ACE$ once. I could easily never hit ACE$, even if I played 20,000 hands of VP per year for the rest of my life.

Therefore, I think I will stick with the less-variance approach and just do Aces and Faces in the future. .

Hi Dan,

I share your concern about variance. The swings at $5 single play is too much for my comfort zone. Accordingly, at Rincon I like to play Triple or 5-Play Bonus Poker. I do not know if Aces and Faces have multiple hands options. The multi-hand variance is much less and since I am playing multiple hands, the chance of getting that elusive Royal go up accordingly.

[Alan Mendelson]

I am just curious about the pay table on the multi hand machines. Is it also 8/5 for Bonus at Rincon? Honestly, I never looked.

[FABismonte]

Hi Alan:

I was at Rincon (aka Harrah's Southern California Resort) in the first week of June last month. I found in the high limit area plenty of multi-hand 8/5 Bonus at the dollar level. This included two Dream Card machines which I played on the normal mode. I even hit one for Royal. I came home with a $2,000 profit for the whole trip. I stayed in a nice suite with a view of the Lazy River. Below is a photo of the Royal and the view from my balcony.

[Alan Mendelson]

Nice hit and it's good to know those multi hand machines are full pay.

[Vpnewbie]

Hi Alan, I saw you on Friday night and appreciate your help. I have a question when playing the aces and faces. If I am dealt a pair that aren't faces with a single J,Q,K or A. Should I hold the pair or save the single ace or face??

[Vpnewbie]

Sorry for what seems like would be silly questions for the seasoned poker player. I'm assuming you would hold a pair of 8's and not a single J, Q,K or Ace. Again, I've been playing the JOB @ http://www.videopokertrainer.org/ and what I like about it is that it tells you when you're wrong. So, Alan when You yelled at me for holding the double aces and the double 2's I got that because of the pay table difference between the full house and quad A's. Of course you'd want to throw the deuces. In Jacks or Better if you have an As, Kd, Qc, you hold the K & Q, drop the A. Unless the A is suited with the face card. In that instace you hold the suited A and face card. I think you suggested I hold all 3 in the Aces and Faces? Also in JOB they suggest you holding 4 cards in one suite does that apply with Aces and Faces? Thanks again. I've been getting 90% or better with the trainer. Mainly stupid mistakes. I didn't see a free trainer for Aces and faces. Thank you. C:

[Alan Mendelson]

Hi. I met VPnewbie at Rincon on Friday. I have a photo but can't post it till my new computer service starts... I'm using my phone. When we met she was playing 8/5 Jacks and I showed her both 8/5 Bonus and 8/5 Aces and Faces were on the same machine and both of those games were superior to Jacks because of the bonus quads.

She switched to Aces and Faces.

Yes you hold a small pair over single high cards. In this case you almost missed holding a pair of deuces... and you drew a third deuce. In the other example you had two pair with one pair of aces. The correct strategy is to hold both pairs but what I said is that giving up the second pair was outweighed by the chance for quad aces in this game.

If you want to play strict strategy you hold both AA and the other pair.

[Vpnewbie]

So what your saying is that the strategies that are set for these games are not always what a seasoned player would do? Because of the payoff. I was playing that same machine yesterday Alan. It was supposed to be a quick game because we really went to Rincon for the sunshine that got trumped by the rain showers. I put in $100 for a quick game. Played for around an hour. Then hit 4 Kings. I played a couple more hands and decided to quit while I was a head. It was a good feeling.

How'd you do Friday Alan?

[Alan Mendelson]

The published strategy to hold two pair with AA one pair is correct. But its my personal preference to give up the second pair on that game at low denominations. When I play Aces and Faces at $5 I hold both pairs. At 25cents I gamble.

I had a very good night using only the free play.

[Alan Mendelson]

Bad news. That $5 machine in the high limit slots area has the sign that $25 coin in equals one tier point.

[Vpnewbie]

Alan, that 3116 machine. Is that the only progressive machine that has Aces and Faces. On a different note. Have you ever had Rincons coffee? Had some last night. It was very tasty.

[Alan Mendelson]

3116 doesn't have any progressives that I've seen. I know of 3 machines with Aces and Faces at low denominations. There might be more.

[spojoey]

One more Alan,back by the poker room.

[Alan Mendelson]

One more Alan,back by the poker room.

Is that the one in the no smoking section? If that is the one then the total is four.

[Dan Druff]

Bad news. That $5 machine in the high limit slots area has the sign that $25 coin in equals one tier point.

You're talking about Caesar's and not Rincon, right?

So is that it? No full pay VP at $10/tier in all of Vegas at CET properties (aside from that one Rio DDB machine), right?

[Rob.Singer]

It can't be that bad a deal Dan. Dancer just talked about how anyone in LV expecting to make $100,000/year playing vp needs all those slot club freebies, cruises, gifts, and tournament/drawing wins to accomplish it, since there are no more 100%+ machines for the "heavy-hitters". In other words, the more you play the more you'll lose, but conversely, the freebies go up exponentially, since he's claiming on purpose or via another one of his errors, that all of your losses will be peanuts compared to all the wonderful loss-deleting freebies you'll be getting no problem, from the casinos.

Anyone who thinks they can't win on negative games needs to consult with Dancer, for his quoted rate of $250/hr.

[Alan Mendelson]

Dan that was the Caesars machine. There are still 9/6 Jacks games that give one tier point for each $10 bet but they are $25 and $100 machines in the Palace Court high limit slots room at Caesars.

[spojoey]

Is that the one in the no smoking section? If that is the one then the total is four.

Yes Alan,that's the one.

[redietz]

Rob, that was one of your better Dancer slings and arrows. Cogent, snarky, and pretty accurate. Dancer is basically now at the point where he's recommending a kind of Sanford and Son clearing house if you're a vp player. Collect all the various junk, resell it, and claim your winnings.

[Vpnewbie]

Alan, did you know that you get a 10,000 tier bonus by getting 5,000 tier credits in one day?