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  1. #41
    Originally Posted by Vegas_lover View Post
    I can answer you that right now. I have NEVER had 10 casino visits in a row where I was ahead at least one dollar during the session. NEVER!!! And even if I experienced that situation it would mean nothing. Maybe I win 1 dollar 10 times in a row, what if I lose 11 dollars during the 11th session. You know, that pesty little thing called variance? Win goals and loss limits don't change that. Why do you think all the "experts" need comped rooms, free play, comped food and free trips to give them positive results at the end of the year?
    That's thinking like every loser who comes to LV with that "I'm probably gonna lose....but I know I'll have a great time doing it!" attitude. Did it ever occur to you that you might actually WIN big on one of those dollar stops? You guys are so caught up in losing and not ever winning big when a goal is to stop after a small win, that you never do see the entire picture. Oh, yes, I forgot. You'll WIN, but only if it's a "positive" 100.2% game. No chance at all if it's half a percent less.

  2. #42
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    That's thinking like every loser who comes to LV with that "I'm probably gonna lose....but I know I'll have a great time doing it!" attitude. Did it ever occur to you that you might actually WIN big on one of those dollar stops? You guys are so caught up in losing and not ever winning big when a goal is to stop after a small win, that you never do see the entire picture. Oh, yes, I forgot. You'll WIN, but only if it's a "positive" 100.2% game. No chance at all if it's half a percent less.
    You still don't get the concept of a recreational gambler do you? If I win, I win. If I lose, I lose. NO BIG DEAL. The only thing I'm interested in is that one life changing big win which can only come to you in one way: LUCK. One trip I come home with a couple thousand dollars profit, the next trip I lose a couple of thousand. The quality of our Vegas vacations doesn't depend on the financial outcome. Way more important elements are: a nice room, good service, good food, quality shows, shopping and meeting with our friends in Vegas. Losing 5000 dollars in a week doesn't make the vacation any less enjoyable. Winning 5000 dollars doesn't effect our lives either. It's Vegas, get over it.

  3. #43
    Originally Posted by Vegas_lover View Post
    You still don't get the concept of a recreational gambler do you? If I win, I win. If I lose, I lose. NO BIG DEAL. The only thing I'm interested in is that one life changing big win which can only come to you in one way: LUCK. One trip I come home with a couple thousand dollars profit, the next trip I lose a couple of thousand. The quality of our Vegas vacations doesn't depend on the financial outcome. Way more important elements are: a nice room, good service, good food, quality shows, shopping and meeting with our friends in Vegas. Losing 5000 dollars in a week doesn't make the vacation any less enjoyable. Winning 5000 dollars doesn't effect our lives either. It's Vegas, get over it.
    I do get it because that's what I am now. Only difference is I'm not coming over from thousands of miles in an airplane for "holiday", so I'm interested in maximizing my WIN opportunity every single casino visit. (BTW, I lost $7000 this week with no quads playing between 25c & $5). It's not a big deal to me either, but I loathe casinos and it pisses me off whenever I lose.

    How do you get a life-changing big win in vp? I know there's a 10-play $25 machine at Bellagio along with a $2 hundred-play, in which dealt royals would do it. But those are just novelties to most players. I've played one hand on the 10-play and was dealt two-pair with no FH's on the draw. That was it for me.

  4. #44
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    I do get it because that's what I am now. Only difference is I'm not coming over from thousands of miles in an airplane for "holiday", so I'm interested in maximizing my WIN opportunity every single casino visit. (BTW, I lost $7000 this week with no quads playing between 25c & $5). It's not a big deal to me either, but I loathe casinos and it pisses me off whenever I lose.

    How do you get a life-changing big win in vp? I know there's a 10-play $25 machine at Bellagio along with a $2 hundred-play, in which dealt royals would do it. But those are just novelties to most players. I've played one hand on the 10-play and was dealt two-pair with no FH's on the draw. That was it for me.
    If you loathe casinos I just don't get why you go there. Why spend so much time at places you just hate? Because of the big wins? I thought you didn't need the money anymore.

    How do I get a life-changing big win in vp? I don't! As I've said many times before: I do not play vp because I think it's the most boring casino game EVER. I play slots with a denomination up to $5 per credit. I play live poker and a little blackjack. Most of what I play are negative expectation games and I couldn't care less. Hitting the progressive jackpot at the $1,- Wheel of Fortune machines can be life changing, hitting megabucks can be life changing, etc. I don't expect to win but I've had times where I've hit the $1000 top prize at the Wheel of Fortune machines within the first 10 minutes of play. I've even had a 2,5 hours session at the Wheel of Fortune machines playing the 25 cent denomination and left the machine with a thousand dollar profit. Even those machines have a progressive jackpot of over $500000. Not immediately life changing but big enough when you're playing $1,25 per spin.

    I usually get great comps because I've made platinum status at Mlife within 5 days not losing or winning more than up to $3000. The comps we recieved in return were worth the money we risked because we also had a lot of fun playing various games, zipping on cocktails, meeting great friends, smoking quality cigars and all the other stupid shit you do while in Vegas.

    In other words, I don't go to casinos with the objective to make money.

  5. #45
    Originally Posted by Vegas_lover View Post
    You still don't get the concept of a recreational gambler do you? If I win, I win. If I lose, I lose. NO BIG DEAL. The only thing I'm interested in is that one life changing big win which can only come to you in one way: LUCK. One trip I come home with a couple thousand dollars profit, the next trip I lose a couple of thousand. The quality of our Vegas vacations doesn't depend on the financial outcome. Way more important elements are: a nice room, good service, good food, quality shows, shopping and meeting with our friends in Vegas. Losing 5000 dollars in a week doesn't make the vacation any less enjoyable. Winning 5000 dollars doesn't effect our lives either. It's Vegas, get over it.
    Okay so you're rich. I also go to Vegas to have a good time as a recreational player and my time is better when I make some extra money.

    To answer my own question I am pretty sure that in nine out ten TRIPS (not sessions) I have a profit at some point.

  6. #46
    I became a professional gambler after losing around $250k as an AP in the early to mid nineties--but only after hundreds of hours of studying where I went wrong, then developing a perfect method of play for my particular set of circumstances, that had a very high percentage of succeeding. Those looong airplane rides were good for something. It made me sick to lose, esp. considering I listened to and purchased all the edge-acquiring products from the "gurus" whom I was tricked into trusting and believing by their statements and ads. THAT is why I hate casinos. They're in the business of doing everything they can to take my money. The only way I could get satisfaction and back at them was to get my lost money back and much more, which is exactly what I've been doing. But these gurus needed to be cut down to size also. They all know that goal has been attained--and many times over throughout the years.

    As a bonus, I've gotten to watch several of them fail, die after going broke, I've watched as their personal lives have been reduced to rubble....as I simply continue on with a wonderful long-term marriage, a family second to none, the ability to look back at successful working & video poker careers, the happiest and most personally fulfilling retirement possible--and all with a great big smile on my face. Gambling maybe was not so good for them, which is probably why they have always blasted my strategies. So maybe you can see why when haters like Eddie and Spock spout their jealousies and disturbing little voices in the back of their minds, it only serves to make all I've accomplished all the more enjoyable.

    You'll never see me go to a casino like maybe you and many others do: for hours and hours. I want to win and get out, or get the nice room, have a few great meals and leave in the morning. The luxury aspect I like; the gambling part for me is a fight between me and the casino. I sit down loaded with hate for what they used to do to me, and the past 15 years I've mostly left vindicated, over and over again. The money I do not need; I saved & prepared for retirement long ago like any gambler should first, or else they'll end up working forever like Dancer.
    Last edited by Rob.Singer; 08-02-2014 at 03:32 PM.

  7. #47
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Okay so you're rich.
    Ok, thanks for the snotty remark. I make a good living running our family business. So yes, I'm probably a little above an average income. Does that make me rich? No! We go to Vegas two times a year. So that makes that I'm somewhere between down $10000 and up $10000 every year. That hardly qualifies for being among the rich in Vegas. Looking at the amount of money you put on the line every year my guess is your financial risks are a lot larger than mine. But of course I don't know for sure.

    But to get away from the financial definition of being rich. Yes I am filthy rich. I have a wife I worship, two beautiful healthy and smart kids, a steady great group of friends, wonderful people I work with, a warm home and I still have all my hair. What else could I wish for?

  8. #48
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    I became a professional gambler after losing around $250k as an AP in the early to mid nineties--but only after hundreds of hours of studying where I went wrong, then developing a perfect method of play for my particular set of circumstances, that had a very high percentage of succeeding. Those looong airplane rides were good for something. It made me sick to lose, esp. considering I listened to and purchased all the edge-acquiring products from the "gurus" whom I was tricked into trusting and believing by their statements and ads. THAT is why I hate casinos. They're in the business of doing everything they can to take my money. The only way I could get satisfaction and back at them was to get my lost money back and much more, which is exactly what I've been doing. But these gurus needed to be cut down to size also. They all know that goal has been attained--and many times over throughout the years.

    As a bonus, I've gotten to watch several of them fail, die after going broke, I've watched as their personal lives have been reduced to rubble....as I simply continue on with a wonderful long-term marriage, a family second to none, the ability to look back at successful working & video poker careers, the happiest and most personally fulfilling retirement possible--and all with a great big smile on my face. Gambling maybe was not so good for them, which is probably why they have always blasted my strategies. So maybe you can see why when haters like Eddie and Spock spout their jealousies and disturbing little voices in the back of their minds, it only serves to make all I've accomplished all the more enjoyable.

    You'll never see me go to a casino like maybe you and many others do: for hours and hours. I want to win and get out, or get the nice room, have a few great meals and leave in the morning. The luxury aspect I like; the gambling part for me is a fight between me and the casino. I sit down loaded with hate for what they used to do to me, and the past 15 years I've mostly left vindicated, over and over again. The money I do not need; I saved & prepared for retirement long ago like any gambler should first, or else they'll end up working forever like Dancer.
    And you were doing so well Rob...

    Like I said earlier in this thread. Here we have Rob once again self promoting, praising himself and insulting others in a repetitive, rambling post that serves only to push more interesting posts further up and out of sight. All in the hopes that new readers of the forum may read and be fooled into believing Rob has some credibility.

    Nobody is jealous of your lies, Rob.

  9. #49
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Okay so you're rich. I also go to Vegas to have a good time as a recreational player and my time is better when I make some extra money.

    To answer my own question I am pretty sure that in nine out ten TRIPS (not sessions) I have a profit at some point.
    Alan, we have butted heads over this before and it's unlikely anyone will be able to convince you otherwise.

    Even if you we're ahead 9 out of 10 trips, how is that useful information the next time you go? You yourself have said you use (correct me if I got this term wrong) rising stop/loss limits when you are winning. Why is that? I think you said it's because you are trying to "use the casinos money" to win even more without threat to your own or "original" bankroll.

    I don't agree or disagree with that. But I think the one thing we all do agree on is that you just don't know what will happen when you gamble.

    Quitting while ahead sounds great to me. I do it myself. Using win goals or loss limits to determine when you'll stop gambling in a given session? Sounds great. There's more to life than casinos.

    Suggesting win goals and loss limits will increase the frequency you'll leave as a winner, and control losses to such a degree that you will show a profit over your lifetime on any -EV gambling proposition? That sounds great too, and I'm sure the multi-billion dollar casinos hope every member of the human race continue to believe that.

  10. #50
    Originally Posted by a2a3dseddie View Post
    And you were doing so well Rob...

    Like I said earlier in this thread. Here we have Rob once again self promoting, praising himself and insulting others in a repetitive, rambling post that serves only to push more interesting posts further up and out of sight. All in the hopes that new readers of the forum may read and be fooled into believing Rob has some credibility.

    Nobody is jealous of your lies, Rob.
    Your buttons are easier to push than Obama's.

  11. #51
    Rob-keep cool because I learn a lot from all your replies-just sayin'.

  12. #52
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Rob: keep the politics out of these discussions. This has nothing to do with President Obama, health care, border crossings, or anything else. Let's stick to the issue.
    Now Rob, you better watch what you say. You just finished that "time-out" Alan gave you back in June.

    Keep that up and you'll be back to posting on LVA as albeadle33 or whatever other alias you've dreamed up.

  13. #53
    Even when I don't really try.....How sweet it is!

  14. #54
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    a wonderful long-term marriage, a family second to none
    I've got that. Everything else in MY life is irrelevant, and that includes any results of my gaming activity. Too bad you can't say the same thing.

  15. #55
    It has occurred to me that if someone had or were currently banging some Perkins waitresses or perusing the working girls, one might keep the wife off one's trail by publicly proclaiming one's eternal happiness as a substitute for faithfulness. Just an obvious thought.

  16. #56
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    It has occurred to me that if someone had or were currently banging some Perkins waitresses or perusing the working girls, one might keep the wife off one's trail by publicly proclaiming one's eternal happiness as a substitute for faithfulness. Just an obvious thought.
    Now that's a zinger if I ever heard one. +1 for you red!

  17. #57
    Every now and then I think Alan starts to understand the reality of gambling and then it appears some alien monster comes along and sucks out all of his logic producing brain cells.

    Alan, I wrote a simulation for you on this very subject. It looked at all the possible win goal - stop loss values and showed that they do not change the math in the slightest. Depending on the game you might win up to 95% of your sessions and still LOSE in the long run (small win goal, large stop loss). But, you still lose on a negative return game.

    You can keep spewing your nonsense but all it does is demonstrate you are impervious to facts.

  18. #58
    I like that phrase and will adopt it while giving due acknowledgement. "Impervious to facts." It's a phrase, I would submit, with a particularly American spin. I could see, for example, US citizens voting in favor of being "impervious to facts." It sounds strong, decisive, brimming with self-confidence and faith.

    Good phrase, Arci.

  19. #59
    Ya know Arc, I can't fight simulations but it's funny how I walked out of Rincon recently with more money than I had than when I walked in. I guess I must be "due" for a few sessions when I won't even get one paying pair.

    Simulations are good. Your own checkbook is better.

    I urge everyone to look at their own balance sheets and to use simulations as a guide.

  20. #60
    See, in some circles, what Alan just said would be considered either hubris or ignorance.

    One's own checkbook is a more valid measure of reality than simulations? Maybe if you're an all-powerful, all-knowing God, but other than that, I think most people are better served with the simulations in terms of predicting what will happen next.

    Or maybe, just maybe, Alan has done one too many shows trotting out individuals touting personal experience as a reason to buy a product or service rather than presenting a valid statistical overview.

    If one thinks one's personal experience is more representative of overall reality than a broad statistical analysis, well, all I can say is more power to you, and thanks for subsidizing me.

    I strongly urge everyone to ignore what Alan said in the previous posting, even though I'd prefer you believe it for my own personal benefit. As Spock said, "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few."

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