To The Nines

[Alan Mendelson]

It's time to accept that all kinds of seemingly irrational and inexplicable things happen in casinos. 18 consecutive rolls of this "yo" without doubt had some outside influence defying understandable math of some sort, because it just doesn't happen.

But it did happen, and the shooter continued to shoot with those same two dice after the string of Elevens... but that was the end of the 11s. If the dice were loaded then there would have been more 11s... but there weren't. And the shooter using those two dice rolled other numbers before the string of 11s started. Do you think the casino turned a switch which first started and then eliminated 11s in the loads? Of course not.

It was a random event. Perhaps a one in a billion event... but it was random and it happened.

And I think the next time, Rob, that you play on that same machine you won't see a string of trip-9s and then you will realize (even if you won't admit it) that your string of 9s was a random event also.

I've had twenty non-paying hands in a row at video poker -- 20 non-paying hands without even a pair of jacks or better. I accept that as a random event. Of course you probably would say the machine was in a cold cycle or was rigged.

As I've mentioned I play #3116 almost exclusively at Rincon. Some days that machine has spit out nothing but winners and quads... other days it ripped away my money. It's just a random machine.

You might ask why I play it? In fact, some of the casino staff have asked me why I am always at the machine.

First of all, it is one of the few machines with the three games I play: 8/5 Aces and Faces, 8/5 Bonus and Royal Aces Bonus. I think there are only two machines at Rincon with Royal Aces Bonus. The other machine with the same three games is on an aisle, but 3116 is an "inside" machine and Im not bothered with the traffic in the aisle. That's all. The machine has no magic.

[Rob.Singer]

Wishful explanations are not explanations. I've had 32 non-paying hands in a row on $5 BP where I still won $2650 for my session in 2004 that I wrote an article about. That's not even in the same league of odds as what I experienced with the 9's. You want things to be random so you can keep justifying your playing within a certain comfort range. I want to know the truth about what goes on.

[Alan Mendelson]

I am looking forward to your video should that machine go 9-happy again.

If it doesn't what does that do to your theory, Rob?

[slingshot]

I like this thread because it shows what's so great about razgus and 3 & 4 card draws. I'm tellin, ya!

[Alan Mendelson]

I like this thread because it shows what's so great about razgus and 3 & 4 card draws. I'm tellin, ya!

What does it tell you?

[Rob.Singer]

I am looking forward to your video should that machine go 9-happy again.

If it doesn't what does that do to your theory, Rob?

It's simple for a tech to adjust the machine at any time.

I don't see this as theory. It actually happened and is impossible in a random situation. You don't want to comprehend that. You want everything that occurs in casinos to be fair, random, and not to rock your action-loving boat in any way. You know they're not, but for self-protection it seems you want to see proof via a video of another one hour session--which you will find yet another way not to believe it's biased anyway.

Where's your video of "18 straight 11's" by the way? Maybe that's why the goofballs on Wizard's forum didn't believe you?

[Alan Mendelson]

Not only do I not have a video, I don't even have a winning payoff from it. But I did ask one of my "exec friends" at Caesars if I could get the surveillance video -- and they said flatly "no." Later I found out that most likely the video was gone within two weeks if there was no reason to put a hold on it.

Rob, if you find that the next time your machine doesnt repeat the 9s, and you think it's because a tech "fixed" the machine then you won't have any proof either. Too bad you didnt start your camera going when this run happened.

But maybe the tech didnt fix it yet. You might finally be able to prove what youve claimed for so many years. If you get me the video I will put it on this website and on TV.

[Rob.Singer]

Really? Record the machine for an hour?

I lost too Alan, which is why casinos make these "adjustments" in the first place.

[Alan Mendelson]

You dont have to record the whole time... only when the 9s start. If you don't see a set of 9s, no reason to start the camera going. Right??

[Count Room]

It's worth noting that EVERY dealt hand in video poker is a minor miracle.

If I was dealt these five trash hands in a row:

8h 3d Js 10d 2h
5s 7s 2d Kh 4h
8c 8s 3h 9d 10d
Jh 2h 4c 6c 2s
10s 6s Qh 3h 9d

There are 2,598,960 five-card combinations, so getting dealt that exact sequence of trash hands is defying odds approaching the number of atoms in the universe....

[Rob.Singer]

You dont have to record the whole time... only when the 9s start. If you don't see a set of 9s, no reason to start the camera going. Right??

And then here comes a dufus like Spock (soon afterwards to be mimicked by DDruff) claiming inconsistencies, falsifications, the "how do we knows?", and the usual BS because they don't want more of the truth. I'll play the machine again and I'll take a video of this if it happens again anyway, just to give the haters something to do in their boring lives.

[arcimede$]

I was dealt a sequential RF a few years ago. The odds of that are quite low. Does that mean the machines are fixed? Of course not.

As usual it is the math challenged folks like Singer that think any unusual event proves the machines are fixed. You just can't fix stupid.

[Vegas Vic]

Just over a week ago, I was dealt a string of trip 5's (only 3 hands in a row, converted none of them) followed by back to back hands containing a pair of 5's.

The "rigging" of this machine which give me so many 5's apparently included the hand that immediately broke the trend: dealt a Foyal which I was able to convert.

Random $hit happens in VP to everyone, and there are no exceptions.

[Rob.Singer]

I was dealt a sequential RF a few years ago. The odds of that are quite low. Does that mean the machines are fixed? Of course not.

As usual it is the math challenged folks like Singer that think any unusual event proves the machines are fixed. You just can't fix stupid.

Arci, while it's well known you're suffering enuf up there for your own form of "stupid", we both know the odds of a dealt sequential have nothing in common with the odds of what Alan witnessed, and which has nothing in common with the odds of what I witnessed. Please wise up.

Better you tend to more important projects, instead of wasting what little's left always trying to get even with me.

[Rob.Singer]

Just over a week ago, I was dealt a string of trip 5's (only 3 hands in a row, converted none of them) followed by back to back hands containing a pair of 5's.

The "rigging" of this machine which give me so many 5's apparently included the hand that immediately broke the trend: dealt a Foyal which I was able to convert.

Random $hit happens in VP to everyone, and there are no exceptions.

Apparently you don't play much. What you explained is not a highly uncommon event.

[Alan Mendelson]

dealt a Foyal which I was able to convert.

Is a "Foyal" four to the royal? Never heard that term before. I like it.

Rob Singer: watch it. You're getting dangerously close on personal attacks.... again.

[Count Room]

Is a "Foyal" four to the royal? Never heard that term before. I like it.

A "foyal" is a 4-to-the-royal that didn't connect. It was "foyaled".

[Rob.Singer]

Gee those never happen.

[regnis]

I offer no opinion on the randomness and the math, but today playing for one and one half hours, I was dealt a pair of 5's 24 times, and never got a third. I also was dealt trip 5's five times, and did get a quad on the last one. Otherwise, nothing seemed odd (other than I got a Royal--see hit and run thread). Although I did get good cards for most of the hour and a half I was there.

The number of 5's was noticeable which, along with Rob's story about the 9's, had me counting.

Who Knows?

[slingshot]

I ain't believing this Only hit one quad today and still can't believe it was 9's!