Royal flush alert

[quahaug]

I think it would have been cool to put the money on a 25 cent progressive.

[Alan Mendelson]

I think it would have been cool to put the money on a 25 cent progressive.

That's not a bad idea for next time. But they could have broken it up by adding $5,000 to each progressive royal, making four or five big winners at the 25-cent video poker progressive.

[Dan Druff]

Alan, perhaps you should only post these alerts on THIS forum, and not on WoV or elsewhere. That will give interested parties a reward for coming here.

I considered going down to Rincon to try and hit this thing, but I am sick this week, so I didn't have the energy to do so. Also I wasn't sure if any machines were going to be open, and it would have been maddening to drive all that way and not be able to play the game I was coming for.

[Count Room]

I think it would have been cool to put the money on a 25 cent progressive.

Putting the 50-70,000 on a sequential royal progressive at 25 cents or $1 would keep the regulars coming back for a looong time!

[Alan Mendelson]

Alan, perhaps you should only post these alerts on THIS forum, and not on WoV or elsewhere.

I did not post on WOV. Mickey did. I haven't been on WOV since Michael sold the site. As soon as he did I lost all interest in it.

[Alan Mendelson]

I wonder if the managers at Rincon are thinking that they made a mistake this time? With only a couple of guys playing the machines when hit, I wonder if they lost the potential for more traffic, more players and for more revenue on an 8/5 game? Perhaps they should have advertised what they were doing? They could have spread the word quickly but, to the best of my knowledge, they didn't get any publicity except for what I gave them and I happened to find out only by accident.

[Rob.Singer]

Why don't you ask them why they did it.

What's the difference who posts what where anyway? You people act like WoV members would play this and most of them won't because they can't. It's a forum filled with big egos and small pockets, who thrive on talking about theory. Hit them with something real like this and it's like their home room teacher just caught them chewing gum.

And please Dan, enuf with the perception-laced excuses on why you couldn't play it.

[mickeycrimm]

And there you have it--another non-"team" normal player takes the jackpot away from the mythical team players after they undoubtedly lost six figures again chasing a theoretical +EV jackpot, designed specifically for them by the casino, and we can all once again have a nice hearty laugh at the losers. That guy "axel" at wizard's forum--he's just another one of these clowns who has no direction in life other than to claim to be an AP with a "girlfriend" that thinks he can get by on theory and the Obama dole for the rest of his life. There's a reason Frank disappeared and admitted he only played vp with other people's money....and why mickey has ended up making up gambling stories in Montana of all places. Everyone learn from this.

Ah, but there probably was a team there, Robbie boy. There were only two guys playing it. And my guess is they were a two man team....and both pros. They heard about the play from someone on this forum and went right to it because they were in close proximity. It's understandable why the Wiz or someone other Vegas pros didn't head to it. What is it, like a 5 or six hour drive from Vegas to Rincon? It's like the goldrushers of '97. You get there and all the gold is gone. (the royal got hit or all the seats got taken while you were driving down). I'm the one that predicted the royal would hit before the weekend got here, and guess what? I was right.

[Alan Mendelson]

Why don't you ask them why they did it.

They read this forum. They'll tell me. :-)

[mickeycrimm]

Most progressive video poker games have reduced paytables and they don't become attractive enough to play until the progressives move higher.

It is certainly that way at Rincon. When the $5 progressive is under $25,000 (regular royal is $20,000) there is very little play on the machines. But when the progressives top $40,000 the machines are usually jammed.

In the case of this $70,000+ jackpot, I think because so much was added to the jackpot in an instant that there wasn't enough time to get the out of towners to the casino.

The last time the jackpot reached $70,000 it had been building over a period of weeks so it was well known among players.

Alan, for future reference the breakeven point, 100%, on this play is $47,575. Except, you have a 1% meter running. Your expectation just on the meter rise (at 600 games per hour) is $150 per hour. But the game has high variance, about 140 compared to 9/6 Jacks which is 19. Every $8000 above that number adds 1%.

I assume you have video poker software with a strategy component. Punch in a 9515 coin royal to get the strategy. And if you ever fire at it you don't have to get roped in. If you bankroll is limited just pot shot it for so much money.

[quahaug]

Alan. Do you know the amount that was moved? What was the progressive at to begin with?

[Alan Mendelson]

Alan. Do you know the amount that was moved? What was the progressive at to begin with?

From what I was told, the amount moved was around $45,000.

[coach belly]

WOV forum has the winner posting his "trip report" story and he begins it all with...

"Mickey you are the man"

http://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambl...e-at-71-000/2/

[Rob.Singer]

Alan, you'd think the guy who hit it should give YOU thanks instead of to glory hound himself. Ozzy should give you at least $10,000. After all, these people all the time claim they'll pay "generous finder's fees" to anyone who brings them a "solid AP play" and they hit it. Now it actually happens and the cheapskate is thanking someone else. See what happens when people live "theoretical" lives? These cowards talk a big game but they're soft as a grape when it comes time to put up. No wonder they hide behind all those aliases'.

[nerakil]

I'll agree with Rob Singer on this one. Granoff gave that scumbag J. Warren Toll (who tried to scam me once at a PA casino) a 10% finders fee on aggregate wins for a promotion at Parx Casino that was public knowledge for anyone scouting in the Southeast Philly area.

Alan should be entitled to the same amount or more. $6,100 seems appropriate.

[Dan Druff]

Amazingly I mostly agree with Rob for once, as well.

While I don't know if a finder's fee is appropriate (as there was no guarantee he'd win, and a good chance he would lose), the guy should have at the very least profusely THANKED Alan for this information.

Instead, he gave the credit to mickey for passing the information on to the WoV forum, and then smugly bragged about how he told Chimp that he learned of it from this forum, because he didn't want to reveal the super-secret WoV forum to her.

Pathetic, and totally lacking in gratitude toward the guy primarily responsible for this windfall (Alan).

[Rob.Singer]

Dan, I'm going to ignore & stop all the trash talk between you & I on other threads and concentrate on posts in threads that have worthiness, like this one. I'm sure Alan would appreciate this also.

We agree Alan was the responsible party on this, hands down. A profound thanks by Ozzy would be OK. However, a finder's fee absolutely is more than appropriate in situations such as this. (Alan probably will be humble and say he isn't interested and didn't post about it to get paid, which is all the more reason to properly reward him). Aside from all the big-time talk that goes on over at WoV between the AP's about people who find special opportunities and how they'll be rewarded should one of these folks or their "associates" hit them, even I would hand the original responsible party a healthy fee if it were me who jumped on and hit something I heard about from someone. I once posted about a very positive play available in LV on vpFree, and Bob Dancer quickly sent me a msg. promising a finder's fee if I told him about it. So it seems this type of info must not only be a respectable practice within the industry--people actually must be paying for this info if they hit it.

[Chimp]

Wow. Maybe I should change my forum name to "chump". I feel so foolish. He looked and acted like just a regular Clark Kent. I even asked him if that was the biggest jackpot he has ever hit and he convincingly told me he had never hit more than about 4K before.

I'm not sure what to make of this but you guys probably have an idea....i think this happened almost immediately after the hit...I saw [Ozzy] counting out some cash and hand it to the other guy. It happened very quickly and since I wasn't on the lookout for anything I didn't pay close attention. I do remember noticing it and for a moment thinking to myself "hmmm...what was that about" and then I dismissed it in my mind.

[Alan Mendelson]

In all my years as a journalist (32+ years until I went into the Infomercial business) I never accepted anything from a business I covered with the exception of the "minimal gifts" valued at less than $25 (twenty-five dollars) that might have come at Christmas. This meant I could accept boxes of fruit, candy, etc. that were sent to me in the newsroom.

I still don't accept gifts. But I want to tell a story -- and I tell this story whenever I make a speech because it really is a pretty good story.

When I worked at KCAL as the business reporter I used to report on "Best Buys" (the forerunner of my current Infomercial show), and I would search out and put on TV great places with deals. One day I heard about Dave's Shoe Outlet in downtown. (Dave has retired and the store is closed.)

Dave's Shoe Outlet had a unique business model. It got from department stores the sample shoes that were on display. The samples came in size 8 for men, and size 4 for women. That's all he had -- size 8 for men and size 4 for women. He had every brand you could imagine including the high end brands. His store was small -- about the size of a Caesars Palace hotel room in the Augustus Tower.

It was a Wednesday that I went with a cameraman and did my report on Dave's Shoe Outlet on the 9-PM news. It was a regular report, lasting about a minute and a half.

Early the next morning I got a phone call at home. It was Dave calling. (He had my home phone number -- I often set up stories from home so I gave my home phone number out.) Dave said, "Alan, I have a problem." Panic set in -- I worried that I put the wrong address for his store on TV, because that has happened. "What's the problem, Dave?" I asked.

"Alan, I have a problem," Dave said again.
"I know you have a problem Dave," I said, "you said that. What's the problem?"
"It's a problem, Alan."
"Dave, did I put the wrong address on the TV screen?"
"No, that's not the problem."
"So, what's the problem, Dave? It's 8 o'clock in the morning."

I made mention of the time because I worked nights. I usually didn't wake until 10. Dave continued.

"The problem is that I have a line of people outside the door. And the line goes around the block. What do I do, Alan?" asked Dave.
"Very simple, Dave," I said. "Open the door and start selling shoes."

The story continues. It's now Christmas time and on my desk in the newsroom at KCAL is a stack of holiday cards. My coworkers were amazed that there was this stack of cards. The cards came from the businesses I had put on TV. It was a slow time when we were just chatting and as I opened each card I would give a little "commentary" about the business and how much money I made for the business owner by putting their "unknown stores" on TV.

As I went through the cards I started to joke about how no one sent me money. And I would hold up the cards and flip them open and say "here's Bob, I made him a million, did he send me a check? Nope, no check from Bob."

And I did that for about half a dozen cards when I came to the card from Dave's Shoe Outlet. Holding up his card I flipped it open above my head and said, "Dave's Shoe Outlet did he send me money?" And as I said it a check floated down. It was a check for $500 (five hundred).

Not only could I not accept it, but I had to go to the lawyers (Disney owned KCAL then) and report what happened, fill out papers, and explain the whole thing to my managers. Dave and his wife who worked the little shop themselves were the nicest people in the world... but what a mess because they did something no one else ever did -- send me a check for making them a ton of money.

Yes, they soon retired.

So getting back to a finder's fee: I don't want a finder's fee. But I would like everyone from the WOV site to visit this forum and contribute here. And with a little luck, maybe some online casino will buy this site for $2.3-million also.

[mickeycrimm]

In all my years as a journalist (32+ years until I went into the Infomercial business) I never accepted anything from a business I covered with the exception of the "minimal gifts" valued at less than $25 (twenty-five dollars) that might have come at Christmas. This meant I could accept boxes of fruit, candy, etc. that were sent to me in the newsroom.

I still don't accept gifts. But I want to tell a story -- and I tell this story whenever I make a speech because it really is a pretty good story.

When I worked at KCAL as the business reporter I used to report on "Best Buys" (the forerunner of my current Infomercial show), and I would search out and put on TV great places with deals. One day I heard about Dave's Shoe Outlet in downtown. (Dave has retired and the store is closed.)

Dave's Shoe Outlet had a unique business model. It got from department stores the sample shoes that were on display. The samples came in size 8 for men, and size 4 for women. That's all he had -- size 8 for men and size 4 for women. He had every brand you could imagine including the high end brands. His store was small -- about the size of a Caesars Palace hotel room in the Augustus Tower.

It was a Wednesday that I went with a cameraman and did my report on Dave's Shoe Outlet on the 9-PM news. It was a regular report, lasting about a minute and a half.

Early the next morning I got a phone call at home. It was Dave calling. (He had my home phone number -- I often set up stories from home so I gave my home phone number out.) Dave said, "Alan, I have a problem." Panic set in -- I worried that I put the wrong address for his store on TV, because that has happened. "What's the problem, Dave?" I asked.

"Alan, I have a problem," Dave said again.
"I know you have a problem Dave," I said, "you said that. What's the problem?"
"It's a problem, Alan."
"Dave, did I put the wrong address on the TV screen?"
"No, that's not the problem."
"So, what's the problem, Dave? It's 8 o'clock in the morning."

I made mention of the time because I worked nights. I usually didn't wake until 10. Dave continued.

"The problem is that I have a line of people outside the door. And the line goes around the block. What do I do, Alan?" asked Dave.
"Very simple, Dave," I said. "Open the door and start selling shoes."

The story continues. It's now Christmas time and on my desk in the newsroom at KCAL is a stack of holiday cards. My coworkers were amazed that there was this stack of cards. The cards came from the businesses I had put on TV. It was a slow time when we were just chatting and as I opened each card I would give a little "commentary" about the business and how much money I made for the business owner by putting their "unknown stores" on TV.

As I went through the cards I started to joke about how no one sent me money. And I would hold up the cards and flip them open and say "here's Bob, I made him a million, did he send me a check? Nope, no check from Bob."

And I did that for about half a dozen cards when I came to the card from Dave's Shoe Outlet. Holding up his card I flipped it open above my head and said, "Dave's Shoe Outlet did he send me money?" And as I said it a check floated down. It was a check for $500 (five hundred).

Not only could I not accept it, but I had to go to the lawyers (Disney owned KCAL then) and report what happened, fill out papers, and explain the whole thing to my managers. Dave and his wife who worked the little shop themselves were the nicest people in the world... but what a mess because they did something no one else ever did -- send me a check for making them a ton of money.

Yes, they soon retired.

So getting back to a finder's fee: I don't want a finder's fee. But I would like everyone from the WOV site to visit this forum and contribute here. And with a little luck, maybe some online casino will buy this site for $2.3-million also.

Great stories have great metaphors. And that's what this story has.