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Thread: The Reality of DICE INFLUENCING and DICE CONTROL

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    Once again the argument continues on the Wizard of Vegas forum over what is dice control and what is dice influencing and what is possible and what is not.

    Below is what I posted on that forum and I copy it here so that my position is fully known and out in the open:

    I blame Frank Scoblete for all of the arguing. He continues to use the phrase "dice control" when there is no such thing as dice control.

    The only time I can control the dice is when I slide them. Yes, I can slide the dice. I demonstrated it on YouTube and that's why the Las Vegas Review Journal interviewed me about the Wynn case. But dice sliding -- the ultimate control -- is not legal, period.

    No one can CONTROL dice that meet the required guidelines of the regulators in Nevada, Michigan and New Jersey (and I've interviewed all of them for various stories on TV and on my website): the dice must fly in the air, bounce off the table surface at least once and hit the back wall. Let me repeat: NO ONE CAN CONTROL THE DICE. But with a measured throw it is possible to INFLUENCE the dice.

    Now ask, what is influence?

    Some shooters influence the dice so that the dice don't bounce off the table. Some shooters influence the dice so that they bounce off the back wall between six inches and two feet and tumble repeatedly. And a very few shooters can influence the dice so that they softly bounce and roll to the back wall and stop.

    It is those few shooters who can influence the dice so that they softly bounce and roll to the back wall and stop who have the greatest chance of getting a desired outcome. It doesn't mean they will. It only means they have a better chance. And that is the only claim a dice INFLUENCER can hope to make.

    I have only seen THREE people who come close to influencing the dice so that they softly bounce and roll to the back wall and stop. ONLY THREE. And I am not one of them. And because I am not one of them I can't claim to be a winner at craps... and never have.

    So once again, dice influencing is possible. Very few do it.

    Note: I used to say that I knew of only TWO who could influence the dice: the surgeon from Washington and the "mystery shooter" who I saw at Caesars only once. But earlier this year I met a third -- I won't reveal his name but he is known on some of the other message boards and he was damn good with his soft throw that softly bounced and rolled to the back wall and stopped. He had several long turns with the dice when I played with him.

    Now, the rest of you stop making your exaggerated claims of what you think dice influencing is supposed to be, because it is not CONTROL. It is only INFLUENCE and very few can really do it with any degree of success. Please stop pointing to worthless videos on YouTube by imposters who claim to be influencing the dice -- they are not.

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    I can safely say that I DID influence the dice, at one time...
    I shot for over 2 hours at Siena in Reno, in May of 2009...89 "box" numbers, with a few horn numbers thrown in (for a grand total of 104 rolls).
    I was stick-one-right, throwing very softly, with the 3-V set...The table limits were $3-$500, in which everyone QUICKLY hit...unfortunately, I didn't make much money because I was so focused on shooting (I only had a $3 pass line with 10x odds)
    In my time playing craps, I have seen some "mechanics" who I can say "influenced" the dice...but it's like 1/1000, if not 1/10000

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    Let me play devil's advocate, timspeed. How do you know you influenced the dice and didn't just get lucky with a monster roll?

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    Critics say the notion of dice influencing absurd. What is absurd is not trying to influence the dice when the casino hands them to you.

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    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Critics say the notion of dice influencing absurd. What is absurd is not trying to influence the dice when the casino hands them to you.
    Totally agree with that Alan.

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