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Thread: Memorial Weekend Trip Report Caesars Palace

  1. #21
    I don't know the craps situation, but the are so many nicer resorts than Caesar's (and their tiny Augustus TV's) to stay, play, and eat in along with now better overall comp deals that it'll make your head spin clean off.

    The point is that you shouldn't have had to beg to get your meals comped. You grabbed a free night by asking a host right? That means they'd keep an eye on you -- one of their most loyal players -- while you're on the floor. If a 7-stars vp player isn't worth it, who is?

    The best part of TI is those plentiful 1-100 credit dollar machines and at the bar, the same quarter machines. Get a noisy one going with some good hits playing multiple credits and watch the hateful looks come your way from all the losers.

  2. #22
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    The point is that you shouldn't have had to beg to get your meals comped.
    You're absolutely right about this, Rob. You'd think that once you show up and you're playing higher limit games that your account would be "flagged." But that's how it was in the past -- in what I would call the RFB days when your account was coded as the casino would automatically pick up everything.

    But that was before Total Rewards and its rules that first Reward Credits were used and hosts did not have the discretionary comps of the "good old days."

    Originally Posted by regnis View Post
    It is pretty sad that the type of play that you describe does not even cover meals anymore.
    Absolutely and very sad. The days of generous comps is over. And I am sure it's that way at all casinos. Sure they'll give you free or cheap rooms. But the days of lavish dinners and big show tickets are over.

  3. #23
    The above is why it's important to adapt and maximize value from the new system, rather than just complaining about it.

    That's what I've done.
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  4. #24
    Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    The above is why it's important to adapt and maximize value from the new system,
    That would be ideal, but how do you do it when, for the most part, there are nothing but negative expectation games to be played? And the payback is getting worse on many of those. Example: I used to score my 7 Stars points at Rincon where 8/5 Bonus and 8/5 Aces and Faces were readily available and full tier points would be awarded. Now those games are only available at $5/coin and higher. At Caesars it's $25/tier-point at $5 per coin.

    So all of us going in, with the good intention of maximizing our 7 Stars and casino bonuses and "rewards" start from a big hole.

    In 2014 I was lucky -- I had an $8,000 royal in the early sessions that allowed me to make 7 Stars with an initial profit.

    Can you really maximize your benefits anymore?

  5. #25
    Tahoe still has 9/6 JoB games. Harrah's New Orleans still has Not-So-Ugly-Deuces and 9/6 JoB.

    So yes, some full pay games can still be found at the $1 level, giving 1 tier per $10 wagered.

    I admit that it won't be worth it to earn Seven Stars if those games disappear, or if it's too difficult/inconvenient to travel to casinos which feature full pay games.

    The downgrades which occurred this year at Rincon were a big blow to southern California players.
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  6. #26
    One thing Dan just said grated on me, not that it was Dan's fault. The "moving target" definition of games as "full pay" really must end sometime. It's gotten to the point that each time there's an industry-wide downgrading of pay tables, whatever pay table survives as the best available automatically gets the "full pay" nickname. So at what point in time does this become completely absurd?

    Back in the 90's, virtually everyone agreed that "full pay"meant 100% or more if played perfectly. Now people have been hypnotized into believing it's whatever is the highest generally available payoff for a particular game.

  7. #27
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Now people have been hypnotized into believing it's whatever is the highest generally available payoff for a particular game.
    In fact, that is the definition of "full pay" -- whatever is the best that's generally available. And that's where everyone should be alert to what the terminology really means.

    How about "no house advantage"? A common term used in craps. What it also means is that there is no advantage for the player either.

  8. #28
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    One thing Dan just said grated on me, not that it was Dan's fault. The "moving target" definition of games as "full pay" really must end sometime. It's gotten to the point that each time there's an industry-wide downgrading of pay tables, whatever pay table survives as the best available automatically gets the "full pay" nickname. So at what point in time does this become completely absurd?

    Back in the 90's, virtually everyone agreed that "full pay"meant 100% or more if played perfectly. Now people have been hypnotized into believing it's whatever is the highest generally available payoff for a particular game.
    It's also why the myth of 9/6 JoB being anything other than a point-accumulating losing game has thrived. All other "full-pay" games have been downgraded over the years, but not 9/6 JoB. Care to guess why? Yup, because it's been a moneymaker for the casinos since vp machines were created.

  9. #29
    Actually, we've gotten into this before. Unless things have changed in the last year or so, casinos do not use the words "full pay" in their advertisements. My theory is that it's because "full pay" carries a legal definition well beyond "best available," which is muddy and not provable at best.

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