More Justification BS For Getting Casino Credit

[regnis]

Casino heaven was watching out for you, regnis. And did you get your credit line resolved? (Also, K-T seems like a lucky combination for you!)

I usually don't hold K-10 suited. However, in the first case it was a progressive so in that case I do. In the second I was playing Ultimate X where the straight and flush are so valuable that I sometimes, but not always, keep K-10. I didn't even realize until you pointed it out that they were both K-10.

That is an odd symbol at the bottom of the diamond royal. The casino is Horseshoe Indiana. I have had a credit line for 35 years with Caesars and its predecessors with not even one late payment and it really pissed me off that they would temporarily close it when they just first requested the updated account info on June 22. The ladies at the Horseshoe stood on their heads to try to accommodate me. But all credit goes through Vegas now. I couldn't even get anyone there that could speak English, and that includes supervisors. In the meantime, I tied up one cashier the entire time and the lines for the other cashier were out of control. But they don't even have an office there that we could have moved to. They brought the phone to me at the cage.

The people in Vegas showed no concern that a good customer was expressing dissatisfaction and threatening to take his business elsewhere. And while the women at Horseshoe really tried, nobody even offered a free buffet which you get anyway for 1/2 hour of play at any level.

It just ain't what it used to be at Caesars!!!!!

[regnis]

Still not straightened out. I'm looking at my e-mail right now that they say they never received. It is dated 6-22 at 3:15. But they swear they never received it. I am tempted to tell them to close the account but that would just inconvenience me so I assume I will re-send it. But I will have them on the phone when I do so to make sure they don't lose it again. I guess I could call my host but she is pretty much worthless these days too.

[Alan Mendelson]

Regnis: couldn't speak English? Really?

You should have spoken to your host. Some senior hosts can authorize immediate credit.

[Rob.Singer]

And therein lies yet ANOTHER reason never to bother with casino lines of credit.

Keep it simple next time.

[regnis]

Rob--the Horseshoe Indiana is just over the border from Chicago. You don't want to carry any cash down the Dan Ryan Expressway and through the neighborhoods that you have to drive through to get there. It is a jungle and would be just pure stupidity to set yourself up. So if you want to play at that casino or any in that area, you just don't want to carry cash.

You have probably not lived in or experienced living in high crime racially charged areas. You have to be prepared and take precautions. I operated a rib joint (as trustee) where we had bars and unbreakable glass windows at the counter where you order. That is the norm in that area. When I had to go there I was always accompanied by an armed guard.

Just a little different scenario than you may picture.

[Rob.Singer]

I can picture every kind of scenario reg. I've been there many times over. I just know how to carry large amounts of cash anywhere, simply because I know how to come to grips with the fact that no one knows what anyone else is carrying--whether it be cash, drugs, or a gun or even nothing at all. I also know that getting involved in casino lines of credit is something the casinos want players to do, so I would never do it. It makes for playing more than you might have expected or wanted to do on a trip, or it may coerce a player into making plans at the last minute to go gamble because of addiction. It also can result in hassles like you're experiencing, or embarrassing situations like Dancer's experienced, I'm sure many more times than once.

[Alan Mendelson]

Rob you should at least respect regnis' desire for safety. In fact if anyone says they don't want to carry cash and they want a credit line for safety THAT should be the end of the discussion. Personal safety always comes first.

[RS__]

I just know how to carry large amounts of cash anywhere, simply because I know how to come to grips with the fact that no one knows what anyone else is carrying--whether it be cash, drugs, or a gun or even nothing at all.

Really? So if someone sees you playing in the HL room, or even on the main floor, with a couple grand in credits in the machine, or they see you hit a sizable jackpot.....they'll have no idea you're carrying cash when you decide to leave the casino? Hell, the slot attendant that prints up your W2G will have access to your address on your ID (unless it's not your physical/home address). If a group of thugs was interested, it wouldn't be all too difficult to pull off a robbery. Eventually the target with cash will leave the casino and get into his car....he is either robbed in the parking lot or he is followed home.

Yes, you can be (and should be) cautious when carrying cash...and you can decrease the chance you get robbed by being aware of your surroundings and whatnot....but you can't completely prevent the possibility of being robbed.


Granted, you could still get robbed if you play on casino credit and get paid with a check instead of cash.

[Alan Mendelson]

Good points, RS__ about how the bad guys watch for winners. But a note about this:

Granted, you could still get robbed if you play on casino credit and get paid with a check instead of cash.

But... if they are watching you getting paid with a CHECK how likely is it that they are going to rob you?

[Alan Mendelson]

Being realistic: is there anyone with the exception of Rob Singer who would feel comfortable going to Vegas either by plane or by car with $25,000 or more in cash on their person?

I've played at Caesars Palace since 1998 and I've played with high rollers at the craps tables. The biggest cash buy-in I ever saw was about $3,000. Any buy-in bigger than that was with markers.

And I am not sure if this means anything -- but the cash buy-ins of $3,000 were by "crazy players" who did dumb things like put it all on the field. No kidding.

[regnis]

There used to be one table that was reserved only for big players at the Horseshoe. With my $5,000 buy in I was just a speck at that game. But the mainstays of that game were an unsavory bunch with loads of cash--no markers--. I have seen them lose 100's of thousands all in cash on a night. But they were also a group that no one would mess with. The money and group were clearly from drugs. They were probably safe to carry that cash. With 100x odds they could bury the casino, but usually didn't as they were just wild and bet crazily.

I did see them hit the casino for over 1 million one night.

But Horseshoe doesn't want that kind of action anymore and they chased all the big players away. I see them now and then at another casino.

[regnis]

I can picture every kind of scenario reg. I've been there many times over. I just know how to carry large amounts of cash anywhere, simply because I know how to come to grips with the fact that no one knows what anyone else is carrying--whether it be cash, drugs, or a gun or even nothing at all. I also know that getting involved in casino lines of credit is something the casinos want players to do, so I would never do it. It makes for playing more than you might have expected or wanted to do on a trip, or it may coerce a player into making plans at the last minute to go gamble because of addiction. It also can result in hassles like you're experiencing, or embarrassing situations like Dancer's experienced, I'm sure many more times than once.

Rob--it's not just in the casino. Your car breaks down along the way and you"re as good as dead. Chicago gets its reputation for good reason. We have animals killing each other or anyone in their way for no reason. We can't carry guns (legally) in Illinois. But I never travel without my favorite baseball bat, and I have had to use it. And although I played hockey for 40 years, I'm neither a big guy nor a particularly tough guy.

I realize you got the big balls--but there is still reason for taking precautions.

[Alan Mendelson]

regnis just curious: what were the table limits for 100X odds?? Caesars has a limit of $50,000 per bet. I am not sure if there is a table limit.

Several times I have been with high rollers who made "come" and "don't come" flat bets of $10,000 with full odds. I have never seen flat bets above $10,000.

For the come bets, full odds are 3,4,5.

I did play at Casino Royale once with a high rolling friend who had $5 flat come bets with $500 odds (this is when they had 100X odds) but he lost $25,000 in less than an hour.

[redietz]

There used to be one table that was reserved only for big players at the Horseshoe. With my $5,000 buy in I was just a speck at that game. But the mainstays of that game were an unsavory bunch with loads of cash--no markers--. I have seen them lose 100's of thousands all in cash on a night. But they were also a group that no one would mess with. The money and group were clearly from drugs. They were probably safe to carry that cash. With 100x odds they could bury the casino, but usually didn't as they were just wild and bet crazily.

I did see them hit the casino for over 1 million one night.

But Horseshoe doesn't want that kind of action anymore and they chased all the big players away. I see them now and then at another casino.

Regnis and I are from the same era. After the Mirage opened, its glittering monstrous sports book did the most volume of any in the city. I would ask the trivia question, "Which sports book does the second most business?" The answer was the teeny sports book at Binions. They took massive wagers in an unafraid manner.

[Vegas Vic]

Yup...no one knows that RS has any money.

[regnis]

Yup...no one knows that RS has any money.

Love it!!!!

[regnis]

regnis just curious: what were the table limits for 100X odds?? Caesars has a limit of $50,000 per bet. I am not sure if there is a table limit.

Several times I have been with high rollers who made "come" and "don't come" flat bets of $10,000 with full odds. I have never seen flat bets above $10,000.

For the come bets, full odds are 3,4,5.

I did play at Casino Royale once with a high rolling friend who had $5 flat come bets with $500 odds (this is when they had 100X odds) but he lost $25,000 in less than an hour.

I believe that the limits now are $20,000 flat--$10,000 max odds. They used to be higher. They really cater to a much smaller player now. They also have wierd tables. Not only are they too bouncy, but there is not enough room between the back wall and the pass line, so it is impossible for the dice to not hit the chips for odds on the pass line. I haven't played craps there since the first night they put in those tables.

[Rob.Singer]

Really? So if someone sees you playing in the HL room, or even on the main floor, with a couple grand in credits in the machine, or they see you hit a sizable jackpot.....they'll have no idea you're carrying cash when you decide to leave the casino? Hell, the slot attendant that prints up your W2G will have access to your address on your ID (unless it's not your physical/home address). If a group of thugs was interested, it wouldn't be all too difficult to pull off a robbery. Eventually the target with cash will leave the casino and get into his car....he is either robbed in the parking lot or he is followed home.

Yes, you can be (and should be) cautious when carrying cash...and you can decrease the chance you get robbed by being aware of your surroundings and whatnot....but you can't completely prevent the possibility of being robbed.


Granted, you could still get robbed if you play on casino credit and get paid with a check instead of cash.

I'm not seeing how that was written by someone who is familiar with casinos and carrying cash or winning big.

I'll clear it up for you first. You're saying if you hit a big winner and you take it or the majority of it in cash, then the bad guys are onto you. So I'll take a guess that you mean casinos have "jackpot watchers" that no one knows a thing about.

Then, you're saying these bad guys will follow you and your load of cash either up to your room where they'll either assault you in the elevator, in the aisle, or maybe even jump you as you open your door so as to clear the aisle of the criminal activity. And this assumes you are incapable of defending yourself and/or you are not carrying a weapon....and the bad guys KNOW THIS! Man, these are some smart bad guys.

Or, if you choose to run out to the parking lot/garage with the loot then the bad guys will be on you like a fly on sh*t! And again, these smarties know all about you, your lack of self-defense skills, and they don't know or care about their life or freedom. OK.

So what happens if you turn out not to be a casino cheapskate and always, ALWAYS use valet parking? Wait!....They too have a car in valet, and they get it just as you are getting yours so they can follow you home or to wherever you're headed and do a strong-arm robbery! You poor, unlucky sob.....

It's all stupid folks. Worry your lives away over carrying cash? Just use your heads and think one step ahead of these potential "bad guys". And if you don't have confidence that you can handle yourself in a situation like this then you either don't belong in a setting where you use large amounts of cash, or you're soft as a grape.

[jbjb]

http://fox4kc.com/2015/04/10/man-rob...-metro-casino/

I probably can find many more.

[redietz]

It's the new CEO's policy that on the rare occasions someone leaves CET a winner, they don't arrive home as one.