Huge Progressive Jackpots for Sequential Royals

[Rob.Singer]

Gee Rob how many times have you said you can still win despite the paytable?

Caesars at $1 and $2 offers only 7/5 Bonus with no sequential royal bonus. If you'd play that at Caesars might as well play it at Red Rock.

Of course anyone can win on any pay table given the proper strategy. But playing FOR a sequential royal is a waste of time. You didn't get that? Now you'll say "you might as well play at the 7/5 machine that has the sequential bonus than one that doesn't". Certainly, but how many sequential progressive machines have you seen with multiple denominations on them?

The statement about playing at Red Rock vs. Caesars is irrelevant. I've always chosen a casino to play in then played at the best pay table available in that casino for the games I play. Going to RR just to play one of those things isn't my bag and never was. However, it's so nice to see you hinting at finally getting out of that trap CET set for you and going to RR. And I'll bet they even offer casino credit for your ultimate convenience and gaming experience, and straight out of the amazing kindness of their hearts. You know, like the reason behind why banks want THEIR customers to have credit cards?

[Rob.Singer]

I can account for three sequential royals. Two came holding 3 cards and the last, which was earlier this year, was while I held a single ace of hearts in the last position. The draw fell 10h, Jh, Qh, Kh exactly in that order.

I've also had 3--one of them dealt at the Riverside in their 25th anniversary year in the '90's, on a dollar machine that came with a $25k bonus that I didn't know about until the cash came. Any max play sequential on any denomination 25c & up got a $5k bonus, and if it was dealt it was $25k. Throughout the calendar year.

[RS__]

Playing for sequentials is like playing a dollar machine with a worthless pay table and a royal jackpot of $1million. It's a complete waste of time, regardless if it's a theoretical125% or whatever.

It would have a return of ~ 866%, for a 766% advantage. I wouldn't consider that a waste of time, at least for someone with a $1M BR that could easily fund the play.

[Alan Mendelson]

I've also had 3--one of them dealt at the Riverside in their 25th anniversary year in the '90's, on a dollar machine that came with a $25k bonus that I didn't know about until the cash came.

Rob I am happy to hear you had three sequential royals. When I sent you my photo from Caesars you told me you hit only one yourself. Should I post your photo? I love seeing those!!

EDITED to add: Here's the photo you sent me of the sequential royal you hit at the Wynn seven years ago. I am glad you remembered the other two including the one with the sequential jackpot. If you can post photos of those, or send me the photos and I will post.

As you said in your text to me when I hit my sequential: "Keep your picture, you won't ever get another."

And my congratulations to the others who have also hit more than one of these!!

[Alan Mendelson]

Here's a "strategy" question regarding a sequential royal super jackpot amount.

In any video poker game with the exception of deuces wild you would HOLD a dealt straight flush that is King-high.

In the case of a sequential royal super jackpot amount would you still hold the dealt straight flush IF it was dealt this way:

10, J, Q, K, 9

[jbjb]

Here's a "strategy" question regarding a sequential royal super jackpot amount.

In any video poker game with the exception of deuces wild you would HOLD a dealt straight flush that is King-high.

In the case of a sequential royal super jackpot amount would you still hold the dealt straight flush IF it was dealt this way:

10, J, Q, K, 9

Obviously, the amount of the sequential royal is going to dictate whether you do or not.

[Rob.Singer]

Alan, at least 3 years ago I posted here about the Riverside sequential, and there has been 3 just as I said. No pics from the 90's though (but I'm still married to the same woman if you get my drift).

[Alan Mendelson]

Sorry. I thought the text on my phone says you only hit one sequential. Congratulations on hitting three. By the way, I can clearly remember all three of my ex wives.

Edited to add: Sorry Rob, I couldn't find your post from 3 years ago. I searched for the terms that I thought would work -- but no luck. Would you mind finding that post?

[RS__]

Here's a "strategy" question regarding a sequential royal super jackpot amount.

In any video poker game with the exception of deuces wild you would HOLD a dealt straight flush that is King-high.

In the case of a sequential royal super jackpot amount would you still hold the dealt straight flush IF it was dealt this way:

10, J, Q, K, 9

Holding it, the value is $250 (assume $1 denom).

Let's say it's 7/5 BP.

47 cards remain:
1 chances at $X [seq. RF payout...we're gonna solve for X].
7 chances at $35 [flush]
6 chances at $20 [straight], 3 nines and 3 aces
9 chances at $5 [high pair]
Any other hand is impossible.

DrawToRoyal = HoldSF is the formula, so whatever X is, that is the value at which holding the SF is equal to drawing to the seq. RF.

x * (1/47) + 35 * (7/47) + 20 * (6/47) + 5 * (9/47) = 250
:.
x/47 + 245/47 + 120/47 + 45/47 = 250
:.
x/47 = 250 - 245/47 - 120/47 - 45/47
:.
x = 47 * (250 - 245/47 - 120/47 - 45/47)

x = $11,340

So, if the seq. RF exceeds $11,340 [which it should, since I think it starts at $50K], then drawing to the seq. RF is the EV maximized play. Of course, that doesn't account for risk, since drawing to the seq. RF has extremely high variance.

If the seq. RF is at $50K, then the value of drawing to the RF would be the same formula as above, except replace 250 with Y, replace X with 50K, where Y is the EV of drawing. And you get:

50000/47 + 245/47 + 120/47 + 45/47 ~ $1,072.

By throwing away the dealt SF, you are now betting $250, and can either lose $250 (end with nothing), lose $215 (get flush), lose $230 (get straight), win $49750 (get seq. RF), lose $245 (get high pair).

The variance is 832. Given that Kelly Formula is BankRoll * (Edge/Variance) = Wager, and that Wager would be $250, your bankroll requirement to make this play, under full kelly, would be:

BR * (3.28/832) = 250
:.
BR ~ $65,000

[Alan Mendelson]

RS__ thanks for the work.

For me the answer is yes. I would gladly risk the $500 on the $2 game for a chance at $128,000. Getting four cards in the right position gives you no choice but to go for it.

[jbjb]

RS__ thanks for the work.

For me the answer is yes. I would gladly risk the $500 on the $2 game for a chance at $128,000. Getting four cards in the right position gives you no choice but to go for it.

I agree. And that exact situation is going to come up so rarely, the overall variance is going to be low. I can't even remember the last time I was dealt any straight flush. Not drawn to, but dealt!

[redietz]

Question for Rob -- that sequential royal you hit at the Wynn -- I swear I've seen that before, but I don't have an eidetic memory, so I could be wrong. Did you happen to post it here when it happened or anywhere else I may have stumbled across it?

[Alan Mendelson]

Rob said that royal was at the Wynn seven years ago so it is very possible it was posted elsewhere.

I can't find the other sequential Rob said he posted here from three years ago.

[Rob.Singer]

I've posted the sequential from Wynn here before, but neither of my other two have been posted anywhere since I didn't take pictures of them. One was in the early to mid 90's and the other was at least 10-15 years ago.