off axis dice throws

[whodat]

Hi everyone,

I'm a newbie here but since I found your forum I like your discussions very much. Additionally you guys post frequently, just like WoV forum. I am not a dice controller or influencer. I am at best skeptical about whether or not it truly exists and have been trying to garner more information about it. I find it fascinating but will not ante up for any course because I am not 99% sure (1 % maybe hence the skepticism) that it will work. I do like to set the dice (superstition I guess) and use a 2-finger technique (middle finger and thumb pinching between the 2 dice and index and 4th finger lightly resting at the corners) just because the toss looks nice. Since I am a skeptic, I throw from anywhere on the table, especially the ends and in the corner (so I can go dark side if I want). I recently read about a mythical off-axis throw called Little Joe that you can use on any position. The premise behind this is that if you set for the 7s and throw off-axis chances are the seven will less likely show up. What is your opinion on this--I am curious more than anything else.

PS This is my first post so go easy on the criticism
Thanks.

[Alan Mendelson]

Thanks for joining and for posting. If the throw is off axis and the dice bounce too much the throw you described, regardless how the dice are set, can only be a random throw. Yes, even random throws can end up on desired numbers.

I believe that the only way to have a truly influenced throw is to have the dice move off axis as little as possible.

Thanks again for joining.

[whodat]

Thanks Alan,

A couple of other sites talked about off-axis throws (Little Joe, Crap LLP, Howard Rock n Roller) and that is why I asked. I try to throw on axis (not a lot of experience) just because the reverse spin looks so nice (like shooting hoops). I am pretty sure most of my throws are random as I throw from all over the table and I only "practice" at the casino

[Alan Mendelson]

The most controlled throw is a slide which is illegal. As you move away from a slide your dice become more random. If you could seemingly slide the dice in the air so that they gently bounce off the back wall you would have the best throw possible.

[Travis McGee]

The most controlled throw is a slide which is illegal. As you move away from a slide your dice become more random. If you could seemingly slide the dice in the air so that they gently bounce off the back wall you would have the best throw possible.

I was visiting my good friend Koganinja the other day that was filming a new video course on an off-axis toss so I asked him to give me a demonstration on his table - he set the dice to a 4/10 set and told me he would throw World numbers. From Straight out position, he tossed 3 straight Off-axis throws each resulting in exact 6-1 7s. The 4th toss was an Eleven, then the 5th throw was a 12 midnight. I have never seen anyone snipe a set of numbers like this before and I have seen Dom and Frank Scoblete play several times on the East Coast. Anyway, FYI here is information on his new video course on Off Axis controlled throw:

https://offaxisthrow.blogspot.com/

[MisterV]

What a steaming pile of horse shit.

A blind man or a one-armed retard could get the same results as a graduate of this so-called "top secret" dice setting course.

[Travis McGee]

Isn't it sad when jealousy is your primary emotion.

[quahaug]

People actually pay for this stuff? If it is possible to control dice it is a matter of practice, not knowledge. Practice is free.

[regnis]

People actually pay for this stuff? If it is possible to control dice it is a matter of practice, not knowledge. Practice is free.

There are many that will charge you for practice Qua. So not necessarily free.

But seriously, practice, practice, practice. That is the only way. I'm not going to argue about whether you can influence the dice, but this looks like bs.

[redietz]

People actually pay for this stuff? If it is possible to control dice it is a matter of practice, not knowledge. Practice is free.

There are many that will charge you for practice Qua. So not necessarily free.

But seriously, practice, practice, practice. That is the only way. I'm not going to argue about whether you can influence the dice, but this looks like bs.

Regnis is being kind.

[MisterV]

Isn't it sad when jealousy is your primary emotion.

"Jealousy?"

Jealous of what, exactly?

The folks that monitor the security of casino games would never allow people to set the dice if they had the slightest shred of proof that it actually worked.

Perhaps were there some objective proof as to its efficacy, then I'd drink the Kool-Aid with you, but til then, color me "unconvinced."

[redietz]

Isn't it sad when jealousy is your primary emotion.

"Jealousy?"

Jealous of what, exactly?

The folks that monitor the security of casino games would never allow people to set the dice if they had the slightest shred of proof that it actually worked.

Perhaps were there some objective proof as to its efficacy, then I'd drink the Kool-Aid with you, but til then, color me "unconvinced."

In a world where Brad Pitt and George Clooney's faces are everywhere, and one has grown up appreciating Long Johnny Wadd, and wherein the Prez gets to grab whoever he wants by the p***y, it's hard to not have jealousy as a primary emotion.

[Alan Mendelson]

I was removed from the craps pits at MGM and NYNY and Bellagio for setting dice (and winning). Was that because they didn't believe in dice setting? To my face they told me they believed in it.

Bellagio management later apologized to me. I get no heat now for setting. Nor does anyone else and that's because it takes more than setting to influence dice.

[MisterV]

I use the term "dice setting" to cover both the drunk who sets and hurls em as well as the fastidious soul who meticulously grips and throws em "just so."

Yes, were dice setting to work it would require more than simply setting em then hurling em, but it doesn't matter because it's a fool's errand.

Maybe it can't hurt, but then again it can't help, either.

Just another craps superstition / affectation being marketed by sharpies to the desperate and the deluded.

[Alan Mendelson]

If you can do it right it works. I admit I lack the skill. But just the appearance that I had the skill was enough for three MGM casinos to give me the boot. To date I can honestly say I've only seen THREE players who have the skill. The rest of us try.

[jbjb]

You haven't seen any. All you saw was short term variance. The next thing you'll tell us, is that all of those slot players on YouTube that show NOTHING BUT BIG WINS are winning players.

Get over it. DI/DC is a scam!!

[Alan Mendelson]

You haven't seen any. All you saw was short term variance. The next thing you'll tell us, is that all of those slot players on YouTube that show NOTHING BUT BIG WINS are winning players.

Get over it. DI/DC is a scam!!

Why am I not surprised? Anyone who can't influence dice is likely to call it a scam. I saw three players who demonstrated all of the elements of a controlled throw. One I know very well -- a surgeon from Washington State. If he ever operates on you you'll hope he really is a dice controller.

Now about those schools and the so-called leaders of the DI movement? Schools can teach you the theory but they can't give you the skill. It's like taking golf lessons.

I'm sorry to say I've played with many of the so-called DI gurus and I never saw an impressive roll or results.

I've played craps for more than 20 years. I was there when Patterson had his first DC get together in Vegas. I've seen thousands of shooters. I'll stick with I've seen THREE true dice influencers.

Jbjb I can't say I've ever seen you win anything.

[Alan Mendelson]

I use the term "dice setting" to cover both the drunk who sets and hurls em as well as the fastidious soul who meticulously grips and throws em "just so."

Yes, were dice setting to work it would require more than simply setting em then hurling em, but it doesn't matter because it's a fool's errand.

Maybe it can't hurt, but then again it can't help, either.

Just another craps superstition / affectation being marketed by sharpies to the desperate and the deluded.

This is an interesting post.

I think everyone who plays craps tries to win whether they are do or don't players. If you're not trying to win then why bother playing craps?

We try to win at video poker by playing the best pay tables and playing the best strategy. We do the same playing blackjack and 3 card poker and Mississippi Stud. Even at roulette there is a difference between one zero and three.

So how do you win at craps? Mathematically you cannot win at craps. Even with 1000x odds it's a negative expectation game. The ONLY way to attempt to win at craps is to make the dice land on the numbers where your money is placed.

If you're not going to at least try to do that then you shouldn't play.

While it might surprise the so-called APs here, I don't know of a single craps player who doesn't try one way or the other to have the dice land his way. Don't shooters try for sevens and right way shooters try to avoid sevens.

Armchair quarterbacks criticize. But when your money is on the table you do try. Skill or no skill you try. That's reality and not forum talk.

[quahaug]

I just hope to get lucky.

[Alan Mendelson]

I just hope to get lucky.

Do you try to get lucky? Do you make the best bets or do you put your entire bankroll on midnight (a one roll bet, for those who don't play)?