off axis dice throws

[AxelWolf]

James and the other dealers kept the count.

Is it just me, or is this new information that you never mentioned before? If you have mentioned it before, please excuse me for missing it. Can you give me a link to where you mentioned this before?

He did mention"James."

See post #106:

https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...=james+caesars

Yes MR.V, I know that, but I don't know that he ever mentioned the dealers kept count. Was that not obvious? I thought about that for a second, but I didnt actually think anyone would be confused about what I was getting at.

I think I would have rembered if he had he mentioned the dealers kept count. It's possable I just missed that part. I'm a 100% sure I never read where he said that before. It seems to me, had the dealers also been keeping count there would have been some more scuttlebutt from the dealers and pit crew surrounding this even.

[AxelWolf]

Is it just me, or is this new information that you never mentioned before? If you have mentioned it before, please excuse me for missing it. Can you give me a link to where you mentioned this before?

He did mention"James."

See post #106:

https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...=james+caesars

Yes MR.V, I know that, but I don't know that he ever mentioned the dealers kept count. Was that not obvious? I thought about that for a second, but I didnt actually think anyone would be confused about what I was getting at.

I think I would have rembered if he had he mentioned the dealers kept count. It's possable I just missed that part. I'm a 100% sure I never read where he said that before. It seems to me, had the dealers also been keeping count there would have been some more scuttlebutt from the dealers and pit crew surrounding this even.

I do remember James conveniently retired. Hell, I think the entier pit crew must have retired.

[Alan Mendelson]

Of course the dealers kept count. Of course we talked about it between rolls. Of course James talked about it in disbelief as he used the stick to check to see the dice were not loaded and would come to rest on different numbers

Of course the shooter commented to his buddy and of course I said things while this is going on.

Have you guys ever been at a craps table? Have you ever played craps? People comment after two hardways are thrown in a row and they don't even have to be the same pair.

I think you're just a bunch of rail birds who have nothing else to do then crunch numbers. Except for Mickey I don't even think any of you actually play.

James checked the dice. He might have checked them twice, three times or five times with his stick. What you and I consider a check might vary with the number of times he knocked the dice around on the table.

Did he ever pick them up with his hand? No. Were they ever measured with a balance? No. With a micrometer? No.

Were any of you there to witness this? Does the tape survive?

Am I coming after any of you for money over this? No.

Is anyone's life at stake here? No.

Are you obsessed with this? Yes.

Axel I'm sorry I didn't sell you this forum and it went to Dan instead. But your offer to me came too late.

[MisterV]

Have you guys ever been at a craps table?...I think you're just a bunch of rail birds who have nothing else to do then crunch numbers. Except for Mickey I don't even think any of you actually play.

Your accounts of seeing 18 yo's rolled in a row, a cursed table at caesars, the three dice setting magi and of course the infamous pic of you marrying one of your wives at a craps table leads me to think you're no stranger to the game.

The baffling thing is that given that, you seem to know so little of value about gambling.

But that's OK, we can't all be AP's.

[redietz]

I've said this before, but the most likely explanation, assuming 18 yo's were seen, is that a pair of rigged dice were accidentally inserted into the game. Rigged dice exist. Casinos have used them in the past. That would be the Occam's (or Ockham's, for purists) Razor explanation, assuming multiple witnesses saw 18 yo's in a row. It's certainly way more likely than it happening with non-rigged dice. As to memory or reportage, I have no idea what's more likely -- a massive memory glitch, an out and out lie, or rigged dice.

[OneHitWonder]

Going back and forth with b.s. can be fun but you seem to actually believe your b.s. stories so it's a little weird.

On a gambling board, I think it's called straight-up mental illness.

On second thought, it's a good time to make my last gambling forum post, ever. Can't sink much lower than this.

Latest translation: Alan lives alone, and peddles advertising, for a reason.

[Alan Mendelson]

I've said this before, but the most likely explanation, assuming 18 yo's were seen, is that a pair of rigged dice were accidentally inserted into the game. Rigged dice exist. Casinos have used them in the past. That would be the Occam's (or Ockham's, for purists) Razor explanation, assuming multiple witnesses saw 18 yo's in a row. It's certainly way more likely than it happening with non-rigged dice. As to memory or reportage, I have no idea what's more likely -- a massive memory glitch, an out and out lie, or rigged dice.

I don't rule this out because when James tested the dice it was nothing more than knocking them around with his stick. I wouldn't consider that the move was deliberate, however.

How many threads are there on WOV about weighted dice? Probably as many as AxelWolf challenging anything I've said.

And recently on this forum I reported how new dice fresh out of a Paulson box had Pip material peeling off.

Regarding off balance dice perhaps in this case the shooter chose the two that delivered 6-5?

He did establish a point and after the run of yos the remainder of his hand was short-- just a couple of non eleven.

[AxelWolf]

Of course the dealers kept count. Of course we talked about it between rolls. Of course James talked about it in disbelief as he used the stick to check to see the dice were not loaded and would come to rest on different numbers

Of course the shooter commented to his buddy and of course I said things while this is going on.

Have you guys ever been at a craps table? Have you ever played craps? People comment after two hardways are thrown in a row and they don't even have to be the same pair.

I think you're just a bunch of rail birds who have nothing else to do then crunch numbers. Except for Mickey I don't even think any of you actually play.

James checked the dice. He might have checked them twice, three times or five times with his stick. What you and I consider a check might vary with the number of times he knocked the dice around on the table.

Did he ever pick them up with his hand? No. Were they ever measured with a balance? No. With a micrometer? No.

Were any of you there to witness this? Does the tape survive?

Am I coming after any of you for money over this? No.

Is anyone's life at stake here? No.

Are you obsessed with this? Yes.

Axel I'm sorry I didn't sell you this forum and it went to Dan instead. But your offer to me came too late.

I'm not sure what me having an interest in buying this site has to do with anything, or what kind of point you are trying to make. Why are you bringing it up now? It just seems strange, it's as if you have some foul intent.

It only goes to show that when someone upsets you, you are willing to publicly share private conversations. You didn't' know if I wanted that information public or not. Does that sound like something a good reporter would do? I don't even remember if I had publicly suggested I had an interest in buying the site or not( I only very vaguely remember the conversation, or if it was even private). I do know, I would not have made it public I was the one buying the site (at least not until I was ready to do so). I certainly wouldn't have wanted my name attached to the site in the state it was at that time.

My interest was/is in ANY partially established gambling site, in an attempt to monetize it. Your site just happened to be for sale at the time. I would have probably paid more than $2500 at the time. But, don't let that flatter you, I would have kept almost nothing the same. I would have made sure to greatly improve it, and I would have got rid of some riffraff.

If your point was to get under my skin by announcing I had an interest in the site, you failed, it's not some big secret or anything. I told others I had an interest in this and other sites, including Gamblingforums at one time.

I still have some interest in a site, any good leads would be appreciated. As a matter of fact, if anyone else has the skill and time to help create a gambling forum/website I'm willing to fund it and possibly work out some kind of deal or compensation(let's talk). I know what I want, I know what direction I want to go in order to make it different from other gambling sites. I just need someone that has more time and skill than I do. I have talked to people who are willing to help add content, I have some people who can help moderate, I know a few people from other gambling websites that may be willing to do something with me.

Thank you, Alan. This may have been the jumpstart I needed.

[Travis McGee]

1. Yes I was at Caesars when a random shooter rolled 18 yos in a row. It's true the odds of this happening are incredible and Caesars didn't keep the tapes of the table long enough for me to request them.

I believe Nevada State gaming laws require casinos to keep video tapes for 7 days.

There was no box man and there was no floor man. It was a slow time of day. I walked up to the table and two young players were there with less than $100 of chips combined. Their only bet was $10 on the pass. James examined the dice twice. No floor man did. James and the other dealers kept the count. I stood there hoping for a box number.

Alan Mendelson, Luckily for me, I took a private course from Koganinja regarding the same off axis toss Evolution throw he is making a video series on. In that off axis course he taught me his betting strategy on how to invest $6 and turn it into $80,000.00 after just 12 Yo's (and they don't have to be all Yo's). Too bad you have not taken his course on how to throw and bet come out rolls. Who needs a box number with that ROI.

[Travis McGee]

Since I am a skeptic, I throw from anywhere on the table, especially the ends and in the corner (so I can go dark side if I want). I recently read about a mythical off-axis throw

whodat -I am no longer a skeptic about off-Axis throws. I received my video series this weekend and it illustrates over 344 off-Axis dice throws that truly allow you to repeat numbers if you have any kind of coordination or rythym. The special dice sets they use in the videos I have never seen anywhere before. And they get results with little practice as I tried my new ammunition on the Vegas Strip. Color me impressed.

[a2a3dseddie]

I talked about that a long time ago, MisterV. James was the stickman and retired. There were two other base dealers who may have been per diem and I did not know them. There was no box man and there was no floor man. It was a slow time of day. I walked up to the table and two young players were there with less than $100 of chips combined. Their only bet was $10 on the pass. James examined the dice twice. No floor man did. James and the other dealers kept the count. I stood there hoping for a box number.

Just a question Alan.

You've shot craps for years. During all that time, did you ever "press" bets when a shooter "got hot"?

From what you've posted in the past, I know you like to bet the longshot bets like the Fire bet and the Small/Tall/All.

During the 18 yos in a row, you never thought to throw just $5 on the yo?