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  1. #1
    Hi all,

    I plan to be in LV in the first week of September and would like to up my Mlife status as I have heard that they rate better than TR. Additionally I have also heard that Mlife is loosely link with MyChoice (Pinnacle properties) and is working on linking with Royal Caribbean and Celebrity Cruise line. Is any of this true (I understand that many of you are Diamond or 7 stars at TR)? I normally play craps and am comfortable at the $5-15 limit (PL with odds, place 6/8, occasionally 5/9, buy 4/10). I will also on occasion play the IC if the 12 pay triple (at Mlife properties) and the point is 5,6,8.
    Thanks

  2. #2
    Hi Whodat:

    I know the CET system moderately well since I have been Seven Stars for a couple of years but I am not familiar with the Mlife system but would not mind getting educated given that CET benefits appear to be in the process of being diluted. Since you are a craps player you might well be better off in Mlife as CET ratings are notoriously low at table games. Dan wrote a pretty good comparison of Mlife with CET last year:

    http://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/showth...ighlight=mlife

    But I do not see your questions answered in that thread. You say you wish to up your Mlife Status, what is your current status and how close are you to the next level?


    FAB

  3. #3
    Thanks for the link. I see that at the highest level, TR can be a bit better. However, I am only aspiring to Pearl or Gold level at the most for Mlife.

    Embarrassingly I am only at the Sapphire level (lowest). I have approx 20K points and only need 5K to reach Pearl. At this level, everything multiplies by 10% (20% at the next level and so on). I also will get buffet line pass so I don't have to wait in line at LV. I plan to stay around the Bellagio/Caesars corner. Which casinos to you guys like better Aria or Bellagio or Mirage for Mlife.

    PS I am a Platinum member of TR via their VISA card

  4. #4
    You'll earn gold fast in Vegas. But very slow at properties outside of Vegas.

  5. #5
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    You'll earn gold fast in Vegas. But very slow at properties outside of Vegas.
    To elaborate on this statement

    1 gaming base point earned by $3 coin in on slots or $10 coin in on video poker

    https://www.mlife.com/pages/about_m_life_faq.html

    How do I earn Tier Credits?
    You earn Tier Credits for virtually every dollar you spend - including gaming - across all our M life resorts. For every dollar you spend on your hotel stay, dining, entertainment, or spa you earn Tier Credits - in Las Vegas you earn 25 Tier Credits per dollar spent; at Beau Rivage, Gold Strike Tunica, and MGM Grand Detroit you earn 8 Tier Credits per dollar spend.

    For slot play in Las Vegas M life casinos, you receive ten (10) Tier Credits for every Base Point earned. When playing at Beau Rivage or Gold Strike Tunica, you receive two (2) Tier Credits for every Base Point earned. At MGM Grand Detroit, you receive one (1) Tier Credit for every Base Point earned. For table games, you'll earn Tier Credits based on length of play, average bet, and game type.

    To ensure Tier Credits are credited to your M life account, always use your M life card while playing slots and table games at any participating MGM Resorts International destination. Also, show your M life card at the time of each qualifying purchase, or charge these purchases to your room and present your M life card to the Front Desk at the beginning of your stay.
    In Vegas during a 12 month period, $25,000 coin in on video poker gets you into Pearl, $45,454 additional coin in gets you into Gold, and $104,116 additional coin in gets you into Platinum.

    Or you could go on a $3000 shopping spree at the MGM restaurants, Cirque du Soliel shows, and hotels each year to get into Gold.

    From what I heard, the Beau Rivage has terrible video poker odds as well as super tight slots despite its nice amenities. It is better to play at Vegas for status and enjoy the resort at Biloxi.

  6. #6
    Why did you refer to your current slot card status as "embarrassing"? If you lose money gambling, I would call that somewhat embarrassing, and if you play to become a certain slot card status, that is DEFINITELY embarrassing. But don't ever be concerned what others think about your being entry level or any other lower level. Most people with those fancy high end slot card statuses are the ones who keep the casinos going, dontcha know.

  7. #7
    I have to agree with Rob in part. It doesn't matter what "tier level" you have. What's most important is that you enjoy your time and money.

  8. #8
    I refer to myself as "embarrassingly" because most of you posters are diamond or gold level and above. I go to LV once a year to enjoy the gambling and the variety of food as I am a "foodie?" I normally play craps at the $10-15 level (PL and 3x odds and 6/8. I would generally have 100-125$ in play. I wonder how quickly I would get to gold level this way. Thanks for all the replies.

  9. #9
    As was mentioned you have to be careful with ratings of any table play. I don't know how MGM works and ironically even with all my play at Caesars I don't know how Caesars works. I don't think anyone can tell you how much craps play is needed for diamond or 7 Stars as the formula has been kept under wraps.

  10. #10
    This is strictly anecdotal, but from what I've seen. The players at TR who are 7 Seven Star craps players, typically ask for markers 5k or more at the table.

    Now, Alan is a 7 Star but plays a ton of VP to earn his 7 star status.

    One thing I will say about Mlife properties is that their rooms are significantly better than TR rooms. However, one year I obtained Pearl status and was on the brink of earning the other and could never book a comped room from Mlife.

    I earned Pearl strictly through craps play with a typical buy-in of 1000. I have a feeling Mlife properties are a bet looser when it comes to table play rating as compared to TR. I say this because Mlife floormen rarely go back and change the average bet of the players at the table. TR floormen are checking action about every 10 minutes. I have also seen floormen stop rating you if you leave to use the restroom or get a drink at a TR property.

    As a California resident, it will always be advantageous for me to play at Rincon because my play will be linked to Laughlin (which I frequent much more than Vegas). Until Mlife can takeover Pala or Sycuan, I will be playing poker and craps at Rincon every other month or so.

  11. #11
    Thanks for all the replies. The nearest Mlife property to me is probably Beau Rivage (6 hrs). I am interested in going up levels in Mlife because as I have mentioned, it is loosely linked to Mychoice (Pinnacle properties--L'auberge, Ameristar, Boomtown). With a Preferred status at Pinnacle properties I get 3 night stay at (MGM, Mirage, Mandala Bay), $50 per day resort fees, and $100 free play. With Elite status, I get instead Gold Mlife membership. TR does not have anything similar to this and the nearest TR casino is either in Shreveport (5 hrs) or New Orleans (6 hrs). Crap at Beau Rivage(Mississippi in general) has better rules.

  12. #12
    Personally I like the mlife properties better. But I'm mid 30s.


    I've just barely hit pearl a few times. I get regular offers for NyNY (which is one of my faves, value and great staff). This spring I got 2 nights at any LV property.

    Table rating does seem to be a little random. Some sessions I'll get thousands of points and then the next session with similar bets I hardly get any. But usually mlife rates my craps play well. I usually play $5 or $10 with double odds. A few hard ways and odd 6/8 place.

    The only pearl mlife card benefit I've used once was the line buffet pass at Aria.

    And I usually tip while I play.

  13. #13
    And what exactly is the purpose behind tipping while you play? Do you win more or lose less? Do you make life-long friends because you gave them some cash? Does your comp rate skyrocket because of it? Or....do you leave with that much less cash because you foolishly chose to give away your money to people in a casino who don't care one bit about you nor you about them?

  14. #14
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Does your comp rate skyrocket because of it?
    Interesting question. I've been at craps tables where the floor person increased the "average bet" for players when they tipped. Remember, at table games average bet and time at the table is not recorded by a computer and card system -- it's up to the floor person to record the bets. It's surprising what a little tip can do.

  15. #15
    I'm not 100% sure tipping helps my rating. But I think it has sometimes.

    I believe in tipping for good service (any sector). I also don't think 20% is justifiable for average restaurant service. Tips are earned.

    Usually the dealers are on the look out for my bets and I like to tip them for attitude, correctness, bet assistance, and speed. I play a lot at the excal in LV and the pit boss there remembers me year after year.(one or two visits a year) Maybe because I tip (he remembers before he sees my card btw).

    I know tipping lowers my win back percentage. But that isn't the point.

    I've only had one time where I really stopped tipping. It was because the one dealer was being an absolute grouch. Never seen dealing that bad. Not sure why I didn't switch tables, but the other players were fun and we did hit the ALL bet for 1:176!

  16. #16
    Originally Posted by RoeIncarnate View Post
    I'm not 100% sure tipping helps my rating. But I think it has sometimes.

    I believe in tipping for good service (any sector). I also don't think 20% is justifiable for average restaurant service. Tips are earned.

    Usually the dealers are on the look out for my bets and I like to tip them for attitude, correctness, bet assistance, and speed. I play a lot at the excal in LV and the pit boss there remembers me year after year.(one or two visits a year) Maybe because I tip (he remembers before he sees my card btw).

    I know tipping lowers my win back percentage. But that isn't the point.

    I've only had one time where I really stopped tipping. It was because the one dealer was being an absolute grouch. Never seen dealing that bad. Not sure why I didn't switch tables, but the other players were fun and we did hit the ALL bet for 1:176!
    You call what dealers and pit bosses do a SERVICE? You do know, I trust, that their only purpose for being there is to keep the action going so the casino can take as much of your money as it can and as fast as possible.

    And just what does it mean that these people "recognize" you because you tip them? If I were them and I saw you coming over to our table I'd let my colleagues know and put on a show for you so you'll give us your money for doing our jobs. Hint again: they don't care about you and they may not even like you. They just want you to lose so their jobs will stay safe.

    Casinos can take our money in more ways than one if you allow them to. Unless, of course, you are a wise player.

  17. #17
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    You call what dealers and pit bosses do a SERVICE? You do know, I trust, that their only purpose for being there is to keep the action going so the casino can take as much of your money as it can and as fast as possible.

    And just what does it mean that these people "recognize" you because you tip them? If I were them and I saw you coming over to our table I'd let my colleagues know and put on a show for you so you'll give us your money for doing our jobs. Hint again: they don't care about you and they may not even like you. They just want you to lose so their jobs will stay safe.

    Casinos can take our money in more ways than one if you allow them to. Unless, of course, you are a wise player.
    So predictable RS.

    Your argument could be applied to anyone in the service sector. They don't care if like the service (food, massage, etc), they only want your money. I often feel this way about waiters when I just order water (I hope you don't do exactly what restaurants want you to do and order highly marked up alcohol or soda ;-). Some are just greedy. But many people like their job on some level, and many good dealers are people oriented and like interacting with others.

    Most dealers couldnt care less if the casino wins from you. It doesn't come out if there pocket. In fact winners are more likely to tip better. Everyone with a brain in a casino knows casinos have the edge and win over the long term.

    I've people that were dealers in the past and they liked dealing and being around the game and the people. They didn't want to bankrupt people. Gambling is entertainment for most and therefore falls into the service and tipping category for me.

  18. #18
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Interesting question. I've been at craps tables where the floor person increased the "average bet" for players when they tipped. Remember, at table games average bet and time at the table is not recorded by a computer and card system -- it's up to the floor person to record the bets. It's surprising what a little tip can do.
    I heard rumors that pit bosses who used to be dealers themselves will do that if they see a player regularly tip dealers and establish good rapport.

    These days it seems to require $100 average bets for blackjack to earn free room comps at a strip casino, so I do not think they can bend things that much for a normal $25 blackjack player.

  19. #19
    FWIW I've seen floor men and dealers cut off players when they've lost too much at craps. I've seen it only at Caesars and no where else. I don't think they're out to get your last nickel.

  20. #20
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    FWIW I've seen floor men and dealers cut off players when they've lost too much at craps. I've seen it only at Caesars and no where else. I don't think they're out to get your last nickel.
    This is likely done to comply with anti-compulsive-gambling laws.

    CET already got burned with the Terrence Watanabe fiasco (though they did make a fortune from him before he defaulted on his makers): http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB125996714714577317

    Otherwise, barring a spectacular, selfless human being running the pits, yes they do want to take your last nickel.
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