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  1. #21
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    If AP's claim to fame is finding mistakes -- whether by dealers or manufacturers -- then they aren't really "advantage players." They're just lucky to have someone screw up to their benefit.

    If AP's claim that vulturing Ultimate X machines with abandoned bonuses is what makes them "advantage players" I hope they have fun walking from casino to casino.

    If you ask me a true AP doesn't have to depend on flukes and luck and errors to come out ahead.
    The vast majority of "real" jobs are quite routine. Not really different than what these types of payers are doing. Not sure why you are against one kind of routine and not other kinds. In fact, even finding a consistent advantage, as I did back when I spent my winters in Vegas, still results in a routine to milk that advantage.

  2. #22
    I noticed when I hit the Super Bowl proposition middle which I recommended on this site two years ago that Alan's first question was if the linesmakers had "made a mistake," thereby providing me (and readers here) the opportunity.

    That struck me as so odd. Sports, and horses, are games of opinion. The house is not always -- or even often -- owners of the best opinion. Different houses have different opinions.

    There's a problem in perspective when you decide you're a recreational player and professionals, who are unlike you, are unproductive in some sense. There's also a problem in perspective when one thinks losing as a recreational player should be preferable to winning as an AP (or whatever label you want to use).

    If Alan's daughter had known the high roller often tipped the other players, then she'd be an advantage player, not lucky. That's the difference.

  3. #23
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    There's a problem in perspective when you decide you're a recreational player and professionals, who are unlike you, are unproductive in some sense. There's also a problem in perspective when one thinks losing as a recreational player should be preferable to winning as an AP (or whatever label you want to use).
    A matter of allowing others to set your boundaries; or seeing for yourself where life takes you.

    Reminds me of "The Outer Limits: The Sandkings" and "The Matrix". People often wonder are we, and our universe, some sort of experiment of aliens, higher universe.

    Well, if you want to accept a myriad of casino industry policies and practices, which already lazily exists replete with excuses for playing and losing even professionally, then join the sandbox. Be a lazy atheist AP on the internet gambling forums to justify your thus assumed self to the sandbox-world in endless bitch-like complaint about the more superstitious players. Wow, the Wizard made twenty millions of dollars with his forum.

    On the other hand, if you want to try to define your own world from scratch from one without any limits as it was obviously meant to be - to play with the big boys - then you might expect to shit yourself with hard work and hellacious play from time to time. To understand what atheism really is, and then wait until you find a real god before you accept and pounce on any religion. Yes, it's really so hard to figure out, that you may want to envisage a god or two along the way for inspiration. You own your own failures and successes, and limits. Wow, the Wizard didn't make jack shit. A bunch of fools couldn't tell the difference at a glance.

    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    If Alan's daughter had known the high roller often tipped the other players, then she'd be an advantage player, not lucky. That's the difference.
    No, she'd be a stalker or gold-digger because not many will tip that much if at all at a craps table. Perhaps, she's a tipper too.

    Beyond this, let's let others haggle over the nuances of hustling, conning, etc, and edge/advantage out in the open print. Not getting paid to do any of that here.

  4. #24
    Originally Posted by OneHitWonder View Post
    A matter of allowing others to set your boundaries; or seeing for yourself where life takes you.

    Reminds me of "The Outer Limits: The Sandkings" and "The Matrix". People often wonder are we, and our universe, some sort of experiment of aliens, higher universe.

    Well, if you want to accept a myriad of casino industry policies and practices, which already lazily exists replete with excuses for playing and losing even professionally, then join the sandbox. Be a lazy atheist AP on the internet gambling forums to justify your thus assumed self to the sandbox-world in endless bitch-like complaint about the more superstitious players. Wow, the Wizard made twenty millions of dollars with his forum.

    On the other hand, if you want to try to define your own world from scratch from one without any limits as it was obviously meant to be - to play with the big boys - then you might expect to shit yourself with hard work and hellacious play from time to time. To understand what atheism really is, and then wait until you find a real god before you accept and pounce on any religion. Yes, it's really so hard to figure out, that you may want to envisage a god or two along the way for inspiration. You own your own failures and successes, and limits. Wow, the Wizard didn't make jack shit. A bunch of fools couldn't tell the difference at a glance.


    No, she'd be a stalker or gold-digger because not many will tip that much if at all at a craps table. Perhaps, she's a tipper too.

    Beyond this, let's let others haggle over the nuances of hustling, conning, etc, and edge/advantage out in the open print. Not getting paid to do any of that here.
    Or maybe Alan's daughter is just really hot, ergo the 1K tip.

    OneHit, I'm not an atheist. That takes commitment, and my only commitment is to non-commitment.

  5. #25
    The last few posts were like trying to read the ones on WoV prior to him having to beg his members for money. They make no sense.

  6. #26
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    My only commitment is to non-commitment.
    I had an applied math professor with the initials FOG... something something Goodman. Everyone called him Fog Goodman.

    Anyway, he always told us, "The only rule is that there are no rules." He could derive complicated formulas from scratch.

    You don't know what you know until you really ask yourself.

  7. #27
    Yes my daughter Marisa is very attractive. Tall, slender, shapely. But she was tipped $1,000 because some high roller made more money on her roll than Rob Singer claims to make in a year of video poker of net wins (which I think is $100,000). Getting tipped is not an advantage play nor does it make her an advantage player.

  8. #28
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    The last few posts were like trying to read the ones on WoV prior to him having to beg his members for money. They make no sense.
    Most great persons endured a lot of job changes. But casino stuff is about decades-old prepackaged activities. No advancement or change of any sort.

    Casinos take the money; players lose it. Both pretend to improve in their own ways, but it is what it is all along. Whereas, constantly changing rules in the real world, where things rarely stagnate, lead those people on to great discoveries, connections of seemingly different thoughts, and responsibilities.

    The first thing I noticed about the Wizard's forum years ago - it's not that old compared to most - was that the so-called experts have no quirky stories. Anyone who's discovered something we've all hear of has 'em. Eg, Einstein originally wanted to call his theory Invariance (instead of Relativity) Theory for various interesting reasons in hindsight.

    I tried to engage them on their own levels, with proof at times from post doctorate fellows, but they were all quick to respond with words like troll, gibberish, and spambot. The picture became clearer there as things progressed over the years. A joke. But a very few of the internet crowd eats it up like candy. Same as the (other) scam sites with a leader organization, and followers. On the other hand, I did learn quite a bit from it in my own way.

  9. #29
    Originally Posted by OneHitWonder View Post
    I tried to engage them on their own levels, with proof at times from post doctorate fellows, but they were all quick to respond with words like troll, gibberish, and spambot.
    Most of your comments are gibberish. It may simply be a lack of communications skills but it doesn't change the fact that you are unable to communicate whatever it is you are thinking.

  10. #30
    Arci--you just need the decoder. But Alan says it's in Rob's locker.

  11. #31
    OneHitOfTheBongTooMuch if you ask me.

  12. #32
    Speaking of bongs, the car in front of me at the McD's drive-thru is completely hotboxed.

  13. #33
    Pretty sure I wouldn't have been tipped $1,000 in the exact same spot as Alan's daughter. She got the tip as a combination of being a young female and being present for some dude's super hot roll.
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  14. #34
    Yeah, I'd grab a wig -- like the guys with moustaches on ladies' night in the old Miller Lite commercials -- to shoot for those 1K tips, but I don't think they'd be forthcoming.

  15. #35
    Dan, it wasnt some dudes super hot roll. It was Alan's daughter's super hot roll that made the high roller a lot of money. Relatively speaking, a $1000 chip to him was probably like a $100 chip to most others. Having said that, in my 25 years of playing craps, I have witnessed a much greater tendency to tip pretty female shooters for their hot rolls than men.

  16. #36
    Just being female and getting married is an advantage play. Just ask Alan how much his ex wives are getting for free.

  17. #37
    Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Pretty sure I wouldn't have been tipped $1,000 in the exact same spot as Alan's daughter. She got the tip as a combination of being a young female and being present for some dude's super hot roll.
    She rolled the dice. I don't think it mattered that she was young and pretty. I've seen shooters at Caesars tipped a thousand dollars several times by high rollers regardless of what they looked like. I was once tipped $100 but I gave it to the dealers.

  18. #38
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    Just being female and getting married is an advantage play. Just ask Alan how much his ex wives are getting for free.
    Not much. All of my exes had their own high paying careers so my alimony has always been low. It's what I wasted during the marriages that hurt.

  19. #39
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Not much. All of my exes had their own high paying careers so my alimony has always been low. It's what I wasted during the marriages that hurt.
    The fact that they are getting anything from doing nothing makes it an advantage for them. Doesn't have to be a lot.

    BTW, getting back on topic, I hit a $600 quad on a multiplier play last night as I was walking back to my table game. Keep your eyes open!

  20. #40
    And what about the advantage play I made? Sometimes alimony is cheaper than future years of maintenance and upkeep. :-)

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