I tried searching on this forum for discussions about the LV unbalanced dice that was supposedly discovered by a forum guy who goes by the name Harley and demonstrated on you tube by Koganinja. What do you guys think. Personally I think that in the strip casinos no way. Smaller casinos I don't know.
Are you referring to the thread that runs 1,627 pages long on the Wizard's forum? LOL
Yeah, show me a pair of off-balance dice. Just one pair. And not a pair on YouTube.
And what does an unbalanced pair of dice do that balanced dice do not?
IF and I must emphasize IF the casinos used "unbalanced dice" it is a form of "loaded dice." Add a little weight to the side showing a 6 and the six will have a propensity to end up on the bottom... and so forth.Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
On the other hand, if the dice were loaded, players could possibly detect a trend and bet accordingly.
I have never seen any evidence of loaded dice, and if dice were slightly unbalanced there are other variables on the table and in the throws of most shooters that I doubt any minor unbalance could ever have an effect.
If there were a severe unbalance, when shooters choose from the five dice on the table and threw the five dice down on the table (part of the routine for picking dice) it might become evident when the same dice combinations showed up.
Bottom line: I am more concerned with some other conspiracies including:
1. Was there more than one gunman at Dealy Plaza?
2. Where is Jimmy Hoffa?
3. How were the Pyramids really built?
4. Were the plains of Nazca lines really landing strips for space aliens, or signals to space aliens?
5. Where is Rob Singer's secret locker?
It's a "secret locker"? Hardly. There's two at the same facility: one for smaller personal items and one that's climate controlled for a car. And as has been told to you probably a half dozen times, it's in Casa Grande, Az. You know, half-way between Phoenix and where your daughter used to work in Tucson.
I'm skeptical as well. However I did noticed that there were two or three guys who would pick up all 5 dice and roll them for a bit, take out one or two, reroll before choosing whick dice to use--unbalanced dice believer or just superstition? IF there was unbalance dice that tend to roll sevens more often, I would go darkside. IF the dice would roll 4/10 more often (to counteract players laying these numbers), I would buy the 4/10 more. I don't think it's in the casinos' best interest to have an unbalanced die or dice. An astute bettor can take advantage of the situation. Plus if that casino ever get caught, it would be a lawyer's dream come true.
You know what I find interesting? Nobody on this forum asks other people if they have off-the-record access to people in top strip casino management positions stretching back decades. Yet some folks think their own personal experience and the Nevada Gaming Commission combine to make casino gambling more aboveboard than almost any other industry.
Rob, care to add anything?
I had such access for maybe five years. It's how they don't answer your questions that gives you your answer. I got the same responses at the NGC when I tried to give them my data from testing one of IGT's machines.
The industry is as corrupt as any other big business, and there are machines that are the recipients of rule-bending and regulatory twisting. Yet there are still many people who want vp machines etc. to be on the up & up so badly that they will respond by claiming NGC snap visits control these type of things.
Have you or anyone you know EVER seen or heard about one of these surprise investigations?
As I've said many times, if the inspections are on schedule, they take place once every 18-24 months, and they are never on schedule. And if the when and where is leaked (and how could that happen?!?), the whole process is compromised.
That doesn't even address the loaded dice issue. NGC has no way of checking if loaded dice are occasionally inserted. The fact is, nobody has any way of checking. You can't pull out your micrometers and scales at the craps table.
But red, people like arci and a host of others on WoV, will perpetually claim that no casino would ever risk any of that, since they would have to "close down immediately" if they got caught.
I don't know if those folks are incredibly naive, or they're just hopeful souls.
No way will a casino get shut down. Fined, yeah. Shut down, not on your life. And even these "fines" won't discourage cheating.
It's sad but when the mob ran Vegas I trusted the games more than I do now under Corporate control. The mob knew they had an edge and how to work it. Corporations want to take your organs.
I think this entire discussion about unbalanced dice is ludicrous. If there was a measurable imbalance the players would see it and bet appropriately. Any tiny imbalance would be canceled out by the other variables of the game including the throw, bounce and hitting chips on the table. And then there is the big question: has anyone ever had an unbalanced casino die in their possession that has been tested and proven to be unbalanced and to what degree that other variables would not offset the imbalance?
I expected you to say I had a few of them in my secret locker somewhere in Appalachia....right next to my banged up 1960 Mercury Comet that my 4th wife drove when I would allow her to go somewhere if I wasn't going to LV.
Looks like the latest batch of tin foil hats is one size smaller. The big reasons corporations don't cheat is they never know when one of their employees will spill the beans.
Hmmm....It seems mensa just got their thinking caps recalled........
Seems to me that the NSA did fine for about 20 years with tens of thousands of employees. Oh yeah, not a corporation.Originally Posted by arcimede$
I get a kick out of the "can't be happening because the employees will tell argument." The cost/benefit of employees telling is what, folks? They become heroes?
Actually there is incentive for an employee to tell, as a subsequent termination would be retaliatory and allow for a wrongful termination suit. Employees with knowledge actually have the employer by the balls.
But who says that more than a few employees would know about any irregularity? If dice are loaded, nobody but the guy that puts in the fresh dice (and is supposed to balance them) needs to know.
Employees at the dice factories would know. Modern dice are almost impossible to tamper with outside the factory. Has anyone from a dice company ever reported a problem?
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