Robotic Arm and Dice Control

[regnis]

Many who doubt DI or DC or whatever you want to call it have a great misunderstanding of exactly what it is. It does not mean that you can walk up to the table and roll whatever you want whenever you want, or roll in perpetuity without getting a 7.
Rather, it is the ability to delay the 7, even if only for a short time, as that short time turns a negative game positive. So if you can delay the 7 to 1 of 10 rather than 1 of 6, you are in positive territory. The whole thing has morphed into a belief that you can walk up and have hour long rolls every time, and that is not the case.

And please also remember that we are not robots and we do miss our spot and we do have bad tosses. That doesn't mean the result will be a 7. You can get away with a bad toss and live to toss again. So if you are consistently hitting your spot, and yes, missing a few as well, you are still delaying the 7 and that is the goal.

However, that being said, I, and others that I know, have had many more consistently positive rolls, and many more huge rolls, than can be credited to pure luck.

[jbjb]

I wouldn't want to prove anything new to anyone. All it can do is ruin a great opportunity.

[jbjb]

Aren't you spitting into the face of Frank Scoblete by inferring no human can control dice? He gets laughed at enough for this nonsense just about everywhere else.

Because he's not an AP. He's an AT, Armchair Theoretician.

[House of Orange]

The best DI is one who can roll a seven more often than average. When it arrives he wins all his bets!

[Rob.Singer]

Robots don't play craps, and they're nothing more than machines that could never be guaranteed to throw identical throws anyway. More consistent maybe, but that's about it.

[Alan Mendelson]

Because he's not an AP. He's an AT, Armchair Theoretician.

I think Frank has claimed to be a DI and has reported some monster rolls when he was with GTC.

And I am certain the DI camp believes they are advantage players as well.

It seems to me just about everyone these days claims to be an advantage player -- even when they lose.

[Rob.Singer]

"Advantage players" don't lose. They simply create winning years out of thin air made up of slot club fluff, drawings theoretical value, tournament theoretical value and the like. The only problems they run into are private, such as divorces, late car payments, and denials when they try to deposit all their phantom bucks into their accounts.

Look no further than the Wizard for a good example. All those phantom bucks and nowhere to go but begging for money from his forum members. But you might be able to buy love with them.

[jbjb]

Lol @ made up winnings.

[Alan Mendelson]

I used to hang out with a self described "advantage player" at Rincon. I watched him decline from 25-cent video poker to where he had no money to play at all. Yet he continued to call himself an advantage player because he looked through the various slot machines at progressives that were guaranteed to hit at certain levels, and he looked through abandoned multipliers. But with all his "advantage play" he still was nothing more than a 25-cent player who lost all his comps, free stays, and when he had a bad run couldn't even make a trip on the bus to Rincon for a month.

The way the WOV folks challenge the dice influencers to show a profit playing craps, I would like a self described AP to show me their profits playing. Frankly, I want to see if their profits are greater than a real job at In N Out.

[jbjb]

VP is worse than counting cards.

[Rob.Singer]

That's why there are so many self-described AP's floating around. They say they will not play in a "negative" situation, and then comes the foolishness of "it's a $35/hr play so I'm making $350 a day on it!"

That penniless clown mickeycrimm thrives on such rhetoric. It's gotten so out of hand that he even claims to be making six figures a year playing (now get ready)...ADVANTAGE KENO ACROSS MONTANA!!

Phantom bucks. Worth their weight in gold.

[jbjb]

Someone should go there and investigate it then.

[RS__]

I used to hang out with a self described "advantage player" at Rincon. I watched him decline from 25-cent video poker to where he had no money to play at all. Yet he continued to call himself an advantage player because he looked through the various slot machines at progressives that were guaranteed to hit at certain levels, and he looked through abandoned multipliers. But with all his "advantage play" he still was nothing more than a 25-cent player who lost all his comps, free stays, and when he had a bad run couldn't even make a trip on the bus to Rincon for a month.

The way the WOV folks challenge the dice influencers to show a profit playing craps, I would like a self described AP to show me their profits playing. Frankly, I want to see if their profits are greater than a real job at In N Out.

Do you think AP is made-up fiction, very difficult and few can do it....or something else? Do you think some forms are possible and others aren't (ie: BJ can be beaten, but slots and VP can't be beaten). What about really good promotions (I don't mean bad promotions like GGWU or 4oak bonuses)....do you consider playing in really good promotions to be AP? Not sure why you have so much distaste(?) towards APs......but the math stands behind the AP, both in theoretical numbers (expected value) as well as results (actual values). All I ever hear about DI/DC is people trying to prove/justify it could be possible and no math or results to back it up.

[Alan Mendelson]

Do you think AP is made-up fiction, very difficult and few can do it....or something else?

First I am a reporter. So, if you have the proof, show it to me that AP works and you make money at it.

Frankly, I've asked the same question before and the best profit report for an AP I've seen hasn't been more than what a job at In N Out would pay.

Be careful about this: I know of plenty of players who got lucky and hit big jackpots -- but that's not what I am talking about. What I want to see is the "advantage play" that pays more than a job at In N Out.

And about Dice Influencing: would you accept the possibility that a human might be able to do it, if a robot programmed to deliver two dice to the same spot on a table with force and angle, etc, set can do it? Or do you have a blanket belief that DI is not possible?

[RS__]

I believe it's possible (DI). But I don't think it's something anyone can actually do. Kind of like throwing a 200 mph fastball.

All AP is....is math. Here's a real example: I give up 3% of my action playing a machine and I get back 10% of my action in FP. Another, also real example: I give up 0.4% of my action (in house edge) and I get back 3.5% of my action in freeplay.

[Rob.Singer]

I believe it's possible (DI). But I don't think it's something anyone can actually do. Kind of like throwing a 200 mph fastball.

All AP is....is math. Here's a real example: I give up 3% of my action playing a machine and I get back 10% of my action in FP. Another, also real example: I give up 0.4% of my action (in house edge) and I get back 3.5% of my action in freeplay.

That's total nonsense....again. If something is possible, that means someone can do it or has done it. No one can throw a 200mph fastball. "Thinking" and "believing" in events do not take the place of actual facts.

The action vs. free play theory.....free play has zero value unless and until it is turned into cash AND taken out of the casino.Most regular gamblers do not come close to doing that because they crave far more action than the free play provides.

Again, just the facts next time. And leave the theories in fantasyland.

[RS__]

That's total nonsense....again. If something is possible, that means someone can do it or has done it. No one can throw a 200mph fastball. "Thinking" and "believing" in events do not take the place of actual facts.

The action vs. free play theory.....free play has zero value unless and until it is turned into cash AND taken out of the casino.Most regular gamblers do not come close to doing that because they crave far more action than the free play provides.

Again, just the facts next time. And leave the theories in fantasyland.

Do you read your own posts?

[Alan Mendelson]

Like Rob I have a problem treating free play as cash. I also question promotions such as 10% free play rebates because they are not consistent and are limited. Remember the In N Out job is 40 hours a week.

I'm afraid that some of the greatest fiction writers are APs.

Show me I'm wrong.

[OneHitWonder]

I'm afraid that some of the greatest fiction writers are APs.

Hahaha ...hahaha ...hahaha.

Why would a real AP announce an easy big casino profit across the internet were it true. I would initiate all of my family, and keep everything about it a secret to grave. I wouldn't say, hey, look, everyone can do it this way and that, to the point of no more profit for anyone. Wouldn't even kid about it.

Yet AP's spend year after year on the internet with tens of thousands of posts between them on free gambling forums making a "cat & mouse game" of further information such as ANY real immediate proof.

Yeah, they rally behind all sorts of simplistic math to copy and paste, and people who call themselves MathExtremist, Zscore, Wizard, and so on. Gotta be "hotboxing" something. This is how scams take down the intelligent who are over-analytical and living alone. A lack of perspective. Would you want to meet someone called Zscore?

[redietz]

No advantage player should demonstrate how they win if they win. No winning race player will provide actual results as they could be data mined. No winning sports player has any interest in sharing who they took or why, as they will also be analyzed and data mined.

Why would anyone who actually wins tell anyone else that they do it, or how and why they do it?