It's time to get this off my chest. A couple weeks ago when I had my great run of aces at Caesars there was one hand on the $1 Super Double Double Bonus game that still has me upset.
I was dealt three to the royal with a pair of Queens and I held the Queens. And yes the first two cards that I drew would have completed the Royal.
It's not the first time this has happened.
Probably won't be the last.
Okay, it's off my chest. Oh-- the pair of Queens did not improve.
Has happened to me twice (once at Luxor and once at Oasis in Mesquite) both on dollar machines while just starting an SPS strategy session. Won both sessions anyway so the pain wasn't as sharp.
I made a mistake just yesterday that made me cringe:
Was dealt 222AK at 9/6 DDB. Held the deuces, but somehow accidentally brushed against the last 2's "HELD" button to turn it off again right before hitting DRAW (essentially throwing away the third "2"). The next cards were a 2 and a 3, missing out on quad 2's with kicker. I did complete a 22233 full house, though.
We've discussed this before. We're still not entirely certain if the machines are continuously shuffling between the deal and draw (when first the 5 cards are showing). These missed hands are really only worth lamenting if the next cards drawn are lying in stasis, waiting on top of the deck of remaining cards.
Call over a slot attendant. They can open the machine and view the last round. There's a good chance you would have gotten paid, especially for such an obvious hand. In a situation like Alan's, if he tried that he would likely not get paid.Originally Posted by Count Room
RS___:Originally Posted by RS__
You do raise a fair and interesting point here. I am familiar with slot attendants being able to look at hand history, and I did briefly consider calling one over for this situation. I decided against it because I felt the mistake was really my fault. From what I know, many casinos will pay in an obvious error situation like that, but they will often take down your player card ## (especially for larger payout such as this one) and make a note of it for future incidents. If it happens once or twice more it can be deemed an "abuse of customer service".
I look at it this way: If I had correctly held all three 2's and the machine is a continuous shuffler, it is most likely I would not have had the quad 2's with kicker, anyway, because I would have pressed the DRAW button at a different microsecond.
If it were not a casino I regularly patronize and not plan on being there again anytime soon, I most likely would have called the attendant as you suggested.
EDIT: With a continuous shuffling machine I most likely would have only had three of a kind 2's (15 credits) correctly holding everything instead of a full house (45 credits) by making the mistake I did.
Last edited by Count Room; 08-16-2015 at 02:48 PM.
Several years ago at Mandalay I was dealt an $800 bonus hand in deuces wild. It was quads with a 2. I showed the people around me, held all the cards, but there was a malfunction and the 2 dropped off. I called a floor person who called a manager and then a tech opened the machine to see that I was dealt the 2. I was paid the $800 bonus.
Regarding my missed royal -- there was no machine error. No reason to pay me. Later in that session I got quad aces with a kicker. That photo is in the jackpot thread.
I had no idea that they could go back and fix obvious "misclicks". I have made a few bad ones over the last few years, but thought I was screwed.
Most notably, on my trip to the Rincon earlier in the year, despite doing very well overall, I accidentally threw away quad 8s by only holding 3 of them (and accidentally holding a junk card instead of the 4th 8).
Will keep this in mind for the future.
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My favorite story about "player error" concerns Caesars Palace.
A player is dealt quad aces on $5 DDB, holds the aces for $4,000. And on the screen pops up "Double Up?" He was from Japan and not knowing the game, he pushed the Double Up? to see what it was. He thought -- he said -- was information about how to double up. He said he didn't know his $4,000 was at risk.
He called a floor person -- and as the rest of us watched -- the floor people said to him "play it, and you are guaranteed the $4,000 if you lose the double up."
He won the double up.
I've read this post but I am responding late.
Only half the story was told in this case. It depends on what the three to the royal was, what the 5th card was (3 to the royal, a queen, and ???), as well as the paytable in which the game was played.
For most Super Double Double Bonus games, (Note: I never played this at a live casino, I played it on computer software and on the web on Michael Shackleford's Wizard of Odds site) the straight flush pays 100 for 1 instead of the normal 50 for 1. Also if the 3 to the royal was in sequence Ten Jack Queen, it will carry more value than the J-Q-K high pair since it opens up an opportunity for 2 possible straight flushes that weighs more than the usual 50 for 1 as well as the royal flush. Any other 3 to a Royal, the high pair carries more value.
As far the 5th card goes, if it represents a flush penalty or a straight penalty, it reduces the 3 to a royal overall return to the point that the high pair is more valuable. In this game, getting quad Queens with a kicker (although reduced by many from the 3 to a royal) pays out a bonus so pair of queens has more value in this game than most other games.
For the normal Double Double Bonus, Queen Jack King sequential 3 to a royal is also another situation where it can beat a high pair.
This type of stuff will inevitably happen to every player who plays for a long time. Without playing proper strategy and keeping on going for it (e.g. Ace-Ten suited for the Royal Flush). you might lose more in the long run.
It's happened to me twice that I can recall. I've even lost out on a possible royal tossing 10 high.
Alan, I don't know if it will make you feel any better or not, but modern video poker machines by the big US manufacturers are continually shuffling the remaining 47 cards after the deal. Nevada required this for probably 15 years now so the manufacturers just do it now on all of their chip sets.
And Bingo was his name-o...It just looks really bad, but it does add significant pressure when drawing to 4-to-the-royalOriginally Posted by DRich
This is hilarious! DRich is a machine game designer. You are all lucky to have him on this site. What he is telling you is you would not have hit the royal had you made a different hold because you would not have hit the draw button at the same millesecond. But then, let's don't let the facts get in the way of pure ignorance.
Thank you. We are all aware of continuous shuffle machines and some comments related to them are tongue in cheek.Originally Posted by singahkillah
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