Do Pay Tables Really Matter?

[jbjb]

Do you trust it enough to do it full time and never have a paycheck job?

[slingshot]

Do you trust it enough to do it full time and never have a paycheck job?

At quarter-50c level? LOL. However, I do have a $1,000 stash from winnings and I am banking on that as my playing bankroll from now on. That's why some days I win $40-60-other days $100-$200-usually the former. Today I hit 4 A's for $200-a really good day. BTW--and I really hate to mention this-- I was playing ddbp and I held the lone Ace and threw away the three different high cards to a common straight. No kicker, but that's life. I really enjoy the 25-50c level. I took my wife to a great lunch, and she got the wife tax (Alan-lol) of $50! I did,as I said try to the $1 level, but the special quads did not hit and I only won $60. So why risk that level when I seem to do just as well at quarters? And why be at a freezing cold environment with rude smokers (one lady told me to leave after I waved the smoke outta my face)? I enjoy the free meals and, at one casino,the special attention. I got really pizzed one day and started walking out when my host asked what's the matter and I told him his casino was DEAD that day and he took me to the office and gave me $250 free play. I balked,but he said I never asked for anything and he wanted to do it. Turns out I was right as I played the best I knew and still nothing. So, after a certain amount of play I now LEAVE as well as play the right strategy. And if you call it true randomness- so be it.

[jbjb]

A simple yes or no would suffice.

Anyone willing to give up any other income they have and attempt the strategy 8 hours a day, five days a week for one year?

[slingshot]

A simple yes or no would suffice.

Anyone willing to give up any other income they have and attempt the strategy 8 hours a day, five days a week for one year?

Not even Rob did that!

[jbjb]

If it worked as well as it's said, I would!

[slingshot]

If it worked as well as it's said, I would!

Jbjb, I mean no disrespect, but it's a short term strategy. A session can be 30 seconds ( I hit a royal several years ago on my third play) to a few hours. I know from hard knocks that the longer you stay after a good win the sooner you lose it back.

[Rob.Singer]

If it worked as well as it's said, I would!

jbjb, no one should be going to casinos that often and for that long. That's what makes people fat, lethargic, covered in germs, and generally overall unhealthy.

I quit my executive position at an aerospace co. at age 50 to play vp full-time, and by full-time I mean once a week for from 1 minute to maybe 20 hours...ie, for whatever it took. I took a significant cut in yearly earnings to do so, but being able to be home with my family more helped in the decision making. I also would have never done so if I had not secured a comfortable retirement first, which is where I am today. When I began my professional vp career in 1999 I wrote in Gaming Today that I would quit either when/if my gaming bankroll were depleted or on the day I turned 60, because I happen to believe that there are FAR more productive & healthier activities/hobbies etc. for people that age to be doing over going to and sitting in casinos for hours every day or week.

There's LOTS of people I've advised and/or trained at the machines who are finding success. Do they post on forums? Mostly no, and the major reason for that is they are normal folks who prefer not to get involved with vile liars like arci who follows me around like a lost wife.

[Alan Mendelson]

Rob for someone who developed the special plays and says he has discipline why would you not use your special play on the dealt 3332 TDB hand? Explain why it's not hypocritical.

[Rob.Singer]

Because I didn't have to. As you keep saying, 95% of my holds are optimal, and in this case in this game there is no special play for a deal that had the possibility of a 2000 credit win. I don't understand what your getting at. Special plays were developed to bypass optimal holds in order to have more opportunities to hit the big winners. Why would I EVER want to go around that premise? That is what would be a major breakdown in the discipline required as part of my overall play strategy.

I believe you used the word hypocritical because you don't have a full understanding of this.

[jbjb]

Jbjb, I mean no disrespect, but it's a short term strategy. A session can be 30 seconds ( I hit a royal several years ago on my third play) to a few hours. I know from hard knocks that the longer you stay after a good win the sooner you lose it back.

This right here tells he it's a losing strategy. If it were a winning one, it'd work forever! That's all I need to read.

[Rob.Singer]

This right here tells he it's a losing strategy. If it were a winning one, it'd work forever! That's all I need to read.

You're not reading the full story jb. I train people interested in my strategy to quit as soon as they attain their session win goal. They can then start another session whenever they want--a minute later, an hour, a day, a week, a month, a year or whenever. And just like any video poker hand, none of them that have come before or that have yet to come have anything to do with any other particular session. As far as it working forever? I'm still doing it, albeit at lower denominations since I'm not playing for a living any longer, almost 20 years later.

[Alan Mendelson]

Rob Singer shame on you. When you held the kicker you violated your own Special Play #16 in the videos we did. (Readers can go to your strategy section on my main website to see it.)

In other threads you've said you always use Special Plays when they present themselves and you've said they present themselves 5% of the time.

Why did you violate #16 this time?

[Rob.Singer]

Alan I guess this is yet another example of you just not getting it no matter how often the facts are repeated. Remember the hand where I tossed the trip Q's for the RF opportunity? Why did I do that? Because even if the four Q's hit, that would have not gotten me to my win goal. In this case it's similar: four 3's would not have gotten me to my win goal. So I would never make a special play over an optimal play in such a case. It's always about the win goal first & foremost.

You have to look at the entire picture before criticizing. And you have to understand it. I know now you're going to say the whole thing is so variable and complicated that nobody could follow it. Well I can, and my mind is able to easily keep up with it. That's why I developed the entire strategy.

[jbjb]

Rob Singer shame on you. When you held the kicker you violated your own Special Play #16 in the videos we did. (Readers can go to your strategy section on my main website to see it.)

In other threads you've said you always use Special Plays when they present themselves and you've said they present themselves 5% of the time.

Why did you violate #16 this time?

This is what's called SWAG. Systematic Wild Asses Guessing.

[Alan Mendelson]

Alan I guess this is yet another example of you just not getting it no matter how often the facts are repeated. Remember the hand where I tossed the trip Q's for the RF opportunity? Why did I do that? Because even if the four Q's hit, that would have not gotten me to my win goal. In this case it's similar: four 3's would not have gotten me to my win goal. So I would never make a special play over an optimal play in such a case. It's always about the win goal first & foremost.

You have to look at the entire picture before criticizing. And you have to understand it. I know now you're going to say the whole thing is so variable and complicated that nobody could follow it. Well I can, and my mind is able to easily keep up with it. That's why I developed the entire strategy.

Rob I am speechless. I was giving you a chance to explain and the best you could come up with is that I don't understand? Of course I don't understand. Care to try again?

Listen carefully to what you said in video #16.

[RS__]

You play for low denom, Singer? Why is that? If it works, that is. If (because) it doesn't work, I can see why you only play low denom now. Finally something you do makes sense!

[jbjb]

You play for low denom, Singer? Why is that? If it works, that is. If (because) it doesn't work, I can see why you only play low denom now. Finally something you do makes sense!

Yeah, can you imagine card counters that build to a mid six figure BR then just decide to only play $5 and $10 games with small max bets?

[Alan Mendelson]

Rob's expected answer: he's retired.

And to be fair to him I can accept that. Even his system is not without risk and he has no current income except for retirement income to play.

On the other hand he can criticize me all he wants for how I play but I have current income.

[jbjb]

Rob's expected answer: he's retired.

And to be fair to him I can accept that. Even his system is not without risk and he has no current income except for retirement income to play.

On the other hand he can criticize me all he wants for how I play but I have current income.

Nobody should criticize anyone else for how they play or spend their money. Doesn't matter if it works or not. I see way worse than Rob's strategy all day long, whether it's VP, slots or table games.

[Rob.Singer]

Rob I am speechless. I was giving you a chance to explain and the best you could come up with is that I don't understand? Of course I don't understand. Care to try again?

Listen carefully to what you said in video #16.

And read very carefully for a change, what I've said a hundred times on your forum about when I will use a special play....again, sigh....one more time: YOU DO NOT USE ONE WHEN THE OPTIMAL PLAY WILL GIVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ATTAIN YOUR SESSION GOAL. And besides Alan, you'd never use one that gives you less of a chance at hitting the biggest winner. Surely you realize that.

Now please, I hope you finally get it and in the process, are able to finally comprehend that every special play, whether in a video or not, is bounded by and guided by the parameters of what it first takes to get to a win goal.

I'm not surprised you're fighting me on this. Some things just don't come to you. It's like arguing with Hillary Clinton about using a private server. She's comes off as dumb as a rock when trying to explain that which she does not understand.