Palms Humbles Themselves With A CET Assist

[RoeIncarnate]

With an offer like this, can the free play only but used on machines, or tables too?

[Rob.Singer]

With an offer like this, can the free play only but used on machines, or tables too?

No. If it's still the same as in the past, I have to go to the slot club and gave it loaded onto my card. I'll report it that's changed, etc.

[singahkillah]

Here's one for the gambling ages. Maybe some here know or don't know that up until 2009 I was a BIG player at the Palms. So much so that for two years from 2007 I was given Legend status--a card by invitation only, and it's not on the books. I've had many memorable wins there and several large losses.

Does everyone know this is a first. Argentino is admitting that he was spending lots of time in a certain casino. Notice that it says "up until 2009." That implies he was doing this over a period of years. That has gambling addict written all over it. Yet he calls everyone else gambling addicts. He spent copious amounts of time in this casino but calls others who spend time in casinos idiots.

And Argentino is actually admitting that he had several large losses at the Palms. That's funny....I don't recall him ever writing about having any large losses in any casino before. This has to be a mental slip on his part, admitting that he had several large losses in just one casino. Yet he calls everyone else losers.

Think about it. If you were in Palms marketing would you send a $4500 freeplay offer to someone who beat your casino for years then dropped out of action. No, you would just as soon that person stay gone. So what are they really up to? They are trying to lure the gambling addict sucker back in.

Argentino is a self-loathing individual who has to lash out at others to make himself feel better about his gambling addiction and other defecencies. He won't forget to dump that 20 grand along with the freeplay, will you little Robbie?

[alpax]

I'm not understanding.

Are you saying Vegas locals get an advantage over non-locals as far as the Palms program goes?

Not to rudely interrupt the conversation or feud again. I did not get a chance to respond to Dan's post.

I briefly learned about the locals getting the advantage from looking at the VPFree Yahoo Message Boards (it is very old school style probably for compatibility purposes with older computers the members may have).

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/.../topics/132281

There are also posts where locals get email notifications about 10x slots and 2x vp points days at the Palms. I've certainly registered myself with Club Palms but have gotten nothing from it. This leads me to believe non-locals are less favored overall.

I am not sure because I also redeemed the top prize for new Club Palms membership.

12,500 points (or $12,500 coin in) for $100 free play, instead of $31.25 if their standard 400 points per dollar was used.

The only realistic benefit I have are the slightly discounted room rates, I might have to pay the room and resort fees upfront, and then have them deduct as much as possible from evaluating my play if I ever decide to go back. Regardless, it is a great value to play there for low-rollers during the weekdays.

[singahkillah]

Not to rudely interrupt the conversation or feud again. I did not get a chance to respond to Dan's post.

I briefly learned about the locals getting the advantage from looking at the VPFree Yahoo Message Boards (it is very old school style probably for compatibility purposes with older computers the members may have).

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/.../topics/132281.

vp wiz made the best posts in this thread. Working the theo is something that has not been written about in the gambling forums. Thats because the guys doing it have kept their mouths shut all these years.

Going back to the early 2000's the trick was creating a player profile that marketing considered to be lucrative to them. It was trial and error finding the machines with the best theo. I'll use Caesar's Las Vegas as an example.

They hand a bank of video pokers that marketing rated as 4% theo. These were multi-game machines with bad payscales, except....the one good game was 9/6 Jacks. Marketing wasn't as sophisticated then as they are now. The theo of 4% was based on the machine stats showing they were making 4% on the total action of all the games on those machines. The player who was playing the 9/6 Jacks benefitted bigtime because of this.

So a player would come in and run about $150,000 in action. Marketing figured this player was worth about $6000 per trip. So they would shoot him a $2000 freeplay offer to draw him back in. But little did they know this player wasn't at 96%. This player was at 100.87%. The guy would show up a half dozen times a year or more.

There were several guys I know roaming around the country for several years working theo and making $250,000 to $500,000 a year.

[Rob.Singer]

Back to the early 2000's again Mickey. Fantasyland revisited

Time to put up or shut up, although your drinking might not let you. Show us the proof of who these guys "making $250k-$500k were...then prove that they did it.

What--you can't? Hmmm....big surprise. But it makes for a good story in your own mind, doesn't it!

Alcohol works in mysterious ways.....

[singahkillah]

I'm just giving a clinic on how its done. I don't have to prove anything. What each individual believes is of no consequence to me. True AP's benefit from Singer's "prove it or it's not true" diatribes. AP's are not going to take anyone by the hand, walk them up to a strong play, and teach them how to win. AP's would be cutting their own throats by doing this. I think Singer knows this. So he can hide behind "prove it or its not true."

[singahkillah]

Back to the early 2000's again Mickey. Fantasyland revisited

Time to put up or shut up, although your drinking might not let you. Show us the proof of who these guys "making $250k-$500k were...then prove that they did it.

What--you can't? Hmmm....big surprise. But it makes for a good story in your own mind, doesn't it!

Alcohol works in mysterious ways.....

Psst! Hey, Rob. I left documented proof in your storage unit. While you are in there looking for it, grab your documented proof on the other issue.

[OneHitWonder]

But it makes for a good story in your own mind, doesn't it!

Those guys could write a book - with proof - now that they're retired, and more than double their lifetime score. But none of them ever seems to get around to that. Funny odd.

Anyway, why do these people end up on the internet? What do they want from us, and what could we give them, the ones who know and have done it all?

For all the time they still spend on the "gambling math" - spilling cryptically weird sets of numbers here and there - where are the viability studies and reports? The math works doesn't mean it's practical or even doable. No amount of acting is going to change the latter. You have to play the cards, or work the slots, in a particular way to win. And, the casinos employ real mathematicians and statisticians, who didn't go to school at the kitchen sink in a rest stop.

P.S. There are at least ten other ways I can think of to prove out this sort of thing w/o "spilling any beans". But no one ever did any of those either. Strange? Not really, just go on the internet, and pretend that you know all about what casinos do, like MathExtremist. People will "eat it up" because it's actually a step up from where they are in life.

[singahkillah]

Those guys could write a book - with proof - now that they're retired, and more than double their lifetime score. But none of them ever seems to get around to that. Funny odd.

Anyway, why do these people end up on the internet? What do they want from us, and what could we give them, the ones who know and have done it all?

For all the time they still spend on the "gambling math" - spilling cryptically weird sets of numbers here and there - where are the viability studies and reports? The math works doesn't mean it's practical or even doable. No amount of acting is going to change the latter. You have to play the cards, or work the slots, in a particular way to win. And, the casinos employ real mathematicians and statisticians, who didn't go to school at the kitchen sink in a rest stop.

P.S. There are at least ten other ways I can think of to prove out this sort of thing w/o "spilling any beans". But no one ever did any of those either. Strange? Not really, just go on the internet, and pretend that you know all about what casinos do, like MathExtremist. People will "eat it up" because it's actually a step up from where they are in life.

Your problem is you are not even a one hit wonder. You are just pure loser. This is an open challenge to any casino in a legal jurisdiction in the United States. Give me, and only me, 1.5% cashback playing $5 9/6 Jacks or Better. Give it to me with the stipulation that either party has the right to end the play when he so chooses. I'll play them every day until they cry uncle. It won't be me quiting the play. It will be them. I'll stomp a big mudhole in their asses. That's my position. Death before dishonor. There are people on this site with some pull in the industry. Get me the play if you want to see me get beat so bad. Just get me the play. We'll see who quits the play first.

[OneHitWonder]

Your problem is you are not even a one hit wonder. You are just pure loser. This is an open challenge to any casino in a legal jurisdiction in the United States. Give me, and only me, 1.5% cashback playing $5 9/6 Jacks or Better. Give it to me with the stipulation that either party has the right to end the play when he so chooses. I'll play them every day until they cry uncle. It won't be me quiting the play. It will be them. I'll stomp a big mudhole in their asses. That's my position. Death before dishonor. There are people on this site with some pull in the industry. Get me the play if you want to see me get beat so bad. Just get me the play. We'll see who quits the play first.

Holy ***** mc, it is you!

Sorry, but I think your world is definitely shrinking. Analogy of antibiotics. Even were there a few "broken gumball machines" in your youth, those have long since been carted away.

[redietz]

Your problem is you are not even a one hit wonder. You are just pure loser. This is an open challenge to any casino in a legal jurisdiction in the United States. Give me, and only me, 1.5% cashback playing $5 9/6 Jacks or Better. Give it to me with the stipulation that either party has the right to end the play when he so chooses. I'll play them every day until they cry uncle. It won't be me quiting the play. It will be them. I'll stomp a big mudhole in their asses. That's my position. Death before dishonor. There are people on this site with some pull in the industry. Get me the play if you want to see me get beat so bad. Just get me the play. We'll see who quits the play first.

I don't understand the argument. Who in their right mind would not play 9/6 JOB with 1.5% cashback?

[Rob.Singer]

Red, I believe you can figure out that mickeycrimm is not of sound mind....even when it is devoid of alcohol. Those cancer sticks ain't helping either, other than facilitating an end to all his earthly suffering. And you can see how these "AP's" can't seem to get their stories to line up. One says he had to leave Nevada to locate the super secret 10% edges that make a six figure income on nickel keno machines, while the other claims a 17% edge IN Nevada TODAY! I know who mickey is but RS__ continues to cower behind his keyboard. But you gotta love those initials!

[RS__]

Rob, no one finds every advantage play. Many are overlooked.

I don't understand the argument. Who in their right mind would not play 9/6 JOB with 1.5% cashback?

I'm going to make a wild guess and say:

- OneHitWonder
- AlanMendelson
- Rob.Singer

Then again, the "who in their right mind" also kind of excludes the above 3 characters.

[singahkillah]

[QUOTE=Rob.Singer;31668]Red, I believe you can figure out that mickeycrimm is not of sound mind....even when it is devoid of alcohol. Those cancer sticks ain't helping either, other than facilitating an end to all his earthly suffering. And you can see how these "AP's" can't seem to get their stories to line up. One says he had to leave Nevada to locate the super secret 10% edges that make a six figure income on nickel keno machines, while the other claims a 17% edge IN Nevada TODAY! I know who mickey is but RS__ continues to cower behind his keyboard. But you gotta love those initials![/QUO


Slob Singer, give me a reason to come back to Nevada and shove it right up your punk slob ass. Give me 9/6 Jacks with 1.5% cashback. I'll park your punk piece of shit ass in the desert where you belong. You are a goddam coward hiding in your parents basement. Give me the play, bitch. Put up or shut up. I dare any mother......casino to take my challenge. Give me 9/6 Jacks on $5 demon with 1.5% cashback. This challenge is open to every casino in America. Come on you lacky pieces of shit. Get me the gig. You can all film it for youtube as I get my his ass kicked. Come on, bitches.

I guarantee you candy ass mothers can't get me a gig like that. You know why? Because you bitches ain't nothing but talk. aAnd the casiino people know better. They know i will stomp them a new asshole. so come on, Don't jack off, asshole. Get me the gig. I'll throw down on that playb anywhre in America. Don't choke punk. Just get me the gig.

[OneHitWonder]

Red, I believe you can figure out that mickeycrimm is not of sound mind....even when it is devoid of alcohol. Those cancer sticks ain't helping either, other than facilitating an end to all his earthly suffering. And you can see how these "AP's" can't seem to get their stories to line up. One says he had to leave Nevada to locate the super secret 10% edges that make a six figure income on nickel keno machines, while the other claims a 17% edge IN Nevada TODAY! I know who mickey is but RS__ continues to cower behind his keyboard. But you gotta love those initials!

Slob Singer, give me a reason to come back to Nevada and shove it right up your punk slob ass. Give me 9/6 Jacks with 1.5% cashback. I'll park your punk piece of shit ass in the desert where you belong. You are a goddam coward hiding in your parents basement. Give me the play, bitch. Put up or shut up. I dare any mother......casino to take my challenge. Give me 9/6 Jacks on $5 demon with 1.5% cashback. This challenge is open to every casino in America. Come on you lacky pieces of shit. Get me the gig. You can all film it for youtube as mickeycrimm gets his ass kicked. Come on, bitches.

I guarantee you candy ass mothers can't get me a gig like that. You know why? Because you bitches ain't nothing but talk.

Rob, no one finds every advantage play. Many are overlooked.



I'm going to make a wild guess and say:

- OneHitWonder
- AlanMendelson
- Rob.Singer

Then again, the "who in their right mind" also kind of excludes the above 3 characters.

Ever notice the split personalities, or Freudian references to, in the internet experts when a bit of reality begins to shine through?

RShl is on a "distinguished path" to becoming another mc. Seen a few of those characters to his extend online. But you aren't the craziest, mc. Sorry, that "distinction" goes to a guy, in England, who calls himself Johno.

Tick-tock.

[Alan Mendelson]

Rob, no one finds every advantage play. Many are overlooked.



I'm going to make a wild guess and say:

- OneHitWonder
- AlanMendelson
- Rob.Singer

Then again, the "who in their right mind" also kind of excludes the above 3 characters.

Let me correct you: I would jump at the chance to play 9/6 Jacks with 1.5% cashback. I'll do the math:

9/6 JOB return 99.54%
plus cashback 1.50%

total return 101.04%

and don't forget to add on player points for the slot club, tee shirts, sweatshirts, mugs, etc.

Yes, I would jump at that considering that the best cashback I ever saw was 0.1% of coin in.

If you can find 1.5% cashback more power to you. But if you think you're keeping a secret you're not. Promotions such as those are well publicized by casinos -- which is why they have them. So... has anyone seen any such promotion advertised? Thought so.

But just in case:

ATTENTION ANY CASINO MANAGER IN THE USA: IF YOUR CASINO OFFERS 1.5% CASHBACK, PLEASE TELL ME AND I WILL ADVERTISE IT FOR FREE ON MY TV SHOW.

[RS__]

Alan, many casinos in Las Vegas offer greater than 0.1% cash-back [or rather, the free-play-back via converting points to FP].

Palms is 0.25% M, Silverton, and SouthPoint are 0.3 or 0.33%. Stations is 0.3% I think [or they are 0.1% but offer 3x every day...or something weird...haven't played stations in forever]. Boyd properties [I believe] are 0.1% but offer multiplier days quite frequently, and higher tiered players get 0.2% or 0.3% CB.

Ever notice the split personalities, or Freudian references to, in the internet experts when a bit of reality begins to shine through?

RShl is on a "distinguished path" to becoming another mc. Seen a few of those characters to his extend online. But you aren't the craziest, mc. Sorry, that "distinction" goes to a guy, in England, who calls himself Johno.

Tick-tock.

Are you talking to me or singah? Not sure what your post is about, other than perhaps you think singah and I are the same person?

[Alan Mendelson]

Alan, many casinos in Las Vegas offer greater than 0.1% cash-back [or rather, the free-play-back via converting points to FP].

Palms is 0.25% M, Silverton, and SouthPoint are 0.3 or 0.33%. Stations is 0.3% I think [or they are 0.1% but offer 3x every day...or something weird...haven't played stations in forever]. Boyd properties [I believe] are 0.1% but offer multiplier days quite frequently, and higher tiered players get 0.2% or 0.3% CB.

None of these come close to 1.5% cashback.

As I said the best I ever saw was 0.1% cashback.

There is a huge difference between 0.3% cashback and 1.5% cashback.

(I started out responding to your post mentioning me... and it flowed to the singah post. Sorry for confusion.)

[singahkillah]

Let me correct you: I would jump at the chance to play 9/6 Jacks with 1.5% cashback. I'll do the math:

9/6 JOB return 99.54%
plus cashback 1.50%

total return 101.04%

and don't forget to add on player points for the slot club, tee shirts, sweatshirts, mugs, etc.

Yes, I would jump at that considering that the best cashback I ever saw was 0.1% of coin in.

If you can find 1.5% cashback more power to you. But if you think you're keeping a secret you're not. Promotions such as those are well publicized by casinos -- which is why they have them. So... has anyone seen any such promotion advertised? Thought so.

But just in case:

ATTENTION ANY CASINO MANAGER IN THE USA: IF YOUR CASINO OFFERS 1.5% CASHBACK, PLEASE TELL ME AND I WILL ADVERTISE IT FOR FREE ON MY TV SHOW.

It's a challenge, Alan. A challenge to any casino in America. I won't take any comp. I'll pay my own freight. I'll buy my own hotel room and buy my own meals. I'll just play them straight up on $5 denom 9/6 Jacks with 1.5% cashback on my total wager. Just get me the gig. Talk to your casino friends. If they want to see a brave ass gambling idiot like me get his ass kicked then here is their opportunity. Remember, according to some people here like , Rob Singer, I can't win. That it can't be done. But I'm throwing down on the whole world. Get me that gig. Film me while I'm doing it. Put it on youtube. I'm willing to go. I'm your huckleberry.