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  1. #1
    I am not getting mailers for September from Rincon, including no monthly mailer with weekly offers and bounce back money.

    Am I alone or are there others who haven't received September offers from Rincon?

    Are they still giving monthly bounce back free play?

    I emailed my host who said she'd get back to me... whatever that means?

  2. #2
    I have received all of the usual mailers.

  3. #3
    Originally Posted by Chimp View Post
    I have received all of the usual mailers.
    I wonder if they finally cut me off because of my criticism?

  4. #4
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    I wonder if they finally cut me off because of my criticism?

    Probably not the criticism Alan. Just the fact that you profess that you only play "free play".

  5. #5
    Maybe "Newman" has been delivering your mail this month. Lol

  6. #6
    Originally Posted by dalawa View Post
    Probably not the criticism Alan. Just the fact that you profess that you only play "free play".
    That very well could be the reason. My free play has dropped to the lowest levels but why would they cut out the mailers about events and promotions?

  7. #7
    Yes. I was cut off from all free play mailer offers, says my host. The decision was made by management in part because of "what you wrote on your blog," my host said. There were also comments made about using free play without other cash play.

    I guess that's the end for me at Rincon.

  8. #8
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Yes. I was cut off from all free play mailer offers, says my host. The decision was made by management in part because of "what you wrote on your blog," my host said. There were also comments made about using free play without other cash play.

    I guess that's the end for me at Rincon.
    Finally they caught your ass!
    And you'll be back by the end of the month. As I've said many times before. You always come back. Cause your a narcissistic sick fucking degenerate who yearns for approval from the 6 or 7 loyal minions on your forum.
    Once again only telling the truth. No offence.

  9. #9
    And just for the record and to be clear. This is directly from Alan's mouth. So all you nut huggers who worship Mr. M take note.

    This is the 4th time he has quit Rincon.
    Along with the second time he has quit VP in Vegas.
    Along with recently quitting craps in Vegas.
    Don't you all see a pattern of the boy who cries wolf. Seeking attention?

    Only to crawl back every time due to the spell old Caesar has on his ass!

    Spin away but your only gonna come up snake eyes.

  10. #10
    dalawa: Yes, I "quit" Rincon several times over the past couple of years. The very first time was when they downgraded ALL of the VP Aces and Faces and Bonus games from 8/5 to 7/5. I quit Rincon then and wrote about it on my main website and within 24 hours after I wrote my article which was probably seen by several thousand people, Rincon reversed its decision and restored the 8/5 games.

    Then within the last year Rincon reduced many of its machines to 7/5 again -- and I said I quit then. But when I discovered that there were still 8/5 machines I returned to play. I was just careful to stick with the 8/5 machines.

    Then Rincon changed the rules for claiming the monthly free play $1,000 drawings -- giving players only 5 minutes. I wrote about it here and within a couple of days Rincon changed its rule to allow 1 hour to claim the money. That wasn't good enough for me so I stopped going for the monthly drawings.

    I did continue to go to Rincon to take advantage of the other free play offers -- even though my free play was cut and cut and cut because of my reduced play. Now it is cut entirely -- so there is no reason for me to go back. Fact is, I get better free play offers in Vegas -- more on this below.

    Regarding quitting VP in Vegas: In the past I made it quite clear that there was no reason to play VP in Vegas when Rincon had better pay tables. Now that I am not going to Rincon there is still the option of playing the few full-pay games left at Caesars. My last two $20,000 Royals were both on an 8/5 Bonus Game at Caesars. To refresh your memory dalawa the photos are below.

    I never said I was quitting craps in Vegas. I said craps was now more attractive at Red Rock and Bellagio. I know you had venom oozing from the corners of your mouth when you wrote that with unbridled glee, but you were wrong.

    Cry wolf? I never cried wolf. Do you know what the phrase "crying wolf" means? It appears you don't.

    Frankly, each time I complained and wrote about on my website how Rincon made moves to hurt players Rincon reversed itself. Rincon lost a lot of my action when it tightened its free play and now they've really slammed the door. And who do you think is the big loser here? It's not me. Actually, Rincon did me a favor -- I get better offers in Vegas and now instead of driving 2.5 hours to get to Rincon, I will drive 3.5 hours to get to Caesars Palace or Bellagio where the offers are better, where I will enjoy staying overnight (I never stayed in the hotel at Rincon), and where I don't have to worry about casino managers who panic when I use $80 of free play or maybe $280 of free play, but don't open my wallet.

    dalawa -- be sure you check out my two Royals hit at Caesars on full pay video poker. I haven't hit a $20K royal at Rincon since the fall of last year. I kinda like Caesars better now.

    And after hitting the Small once at Bellagio, and then hitting the ALL once at Bellagio at craps -- and walking away with a nice profit -- I look forward to playing craps again there soon. By the way, my "new host" at Bellagio called me today extending another offer to get me back. Even though I won at craps he welcomed the level of my action there. it's nice to be appreciated at Bellagio -- while Caesars nickels and dimes me with its Total Rewards comp system and some manager at Rincon panicked that I only used free play on some visits.

    Yes. Rincon really did do me a favor. But they also cheated me. While Rincon has the right to stop sending me offers for future free play, the bounce back money from previous months was part of the "deal" of my play there. Bounce back is from two months prior -- and it should have been given to me. They broke their end of the deal because I played by the rules and the rules said I would get a rebate (bounce back) on my play. The way I understand it, my mailer for September should have included bounce back from July and in July I had more than 410-thousand of coin-in with a lot of it at Rincon, and in October's mailer I should get bounce back money from August. The TR website does not yet list the total coin-in for August. I've been cheated by Rincon. They owe me.

    So here's a warning to everyone who plays at Rincon: if you play at table games and get a rebate on your losses, and if you play slots and video poker, keep track of your points earned and be sure you receive the bounce back and/or rebates. If there is an interruption in your mailers -- let them know that you earned your bounce back or rebate from previous play and it should not be effected by changes in future offers. In my case -- the decision to eliminate future offers took away the bounce back that I earned from previous play.
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  11. #11
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Yes. I was cut off from all free play mailer offers, says my host. The decision was made by management in part because of "what you wrote on your blog," my host said. There were also comments made about using free play without other cash play.

    I guess that's the end for me at Rincon.
    Wow. They really cut off your freeplay because of what you wrote on this site? That's pretty weak.

    Do you know specifically what you wrote that angered them? Was it something from the main Alanbestbuys site, or this forum?

    Also, while I am not defending them, I don't think they "cheated" you with the bounceback. As far as I know, bounceback offers are not guaranteed. You may feel you "earned it", but in reality, bounceback isn't actually a rebate, but rather a way to entice you to come back. That's why they don't rebate you on the spot when you lose.

    I understand your point that you can say you only played with the belief that you will get offered bounceback money if you lose, but since that's just a promotion, they have a right not to give it to you if you piss them off.

    I think the real story here is the fact that the Rincon punished you for expressing your opinion about them.

    On a side note, I haven't been to Rincon since February, and for whatever reason, my September offers increased over anything I've had in 2015. I'm getting $120 freeplay per period, which means I can get $240 if I stay overnight between periods. Still, it's not worth driving all this distance for just $240 of freeplay. I might see if I can do a visit just to combine it with a San Diego outing, though. Too bad September isn't really a good month for me, as I just don't have much time to take trips this month.
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  12. #12
    Also, you said you did $410,000 in coin-in during July, "most of which was at Rincon".

    How much is "most"?

    $410k in coin-in is a lot -- that's 41,000 base tiers worth. To put it in perspective, you only need 50,000 base tiers to make Seven Stars, provided you play the bonus tier system optimally!

    So if Rincon is really sending you packing just because you did a few "freeplay only" visits and wrote some negative things about them, they really are clueless.
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  13. #13
    Dan I haven't revealed this before: my tier score so far this year is well in excess of 530,000 tier points. Yes, bonus points are involved. When I wrote 41,000 base tier points -- those were base tier points, and excludes the bonus points. When I say most was at Rincon indeed most was at Rincon because each month I tend to make just one trip to Vegas where I played mostly craps which earned few tier points.

    Yes, according to my host, some manager is up in arms that I used free play without evidence of playing with cash out of my pocket. And indeed there were times I only used free play -- and that has the manager up in arms. What the manager is overlooking is in that month I had $410,000 of coin in. My host can see that and the decision puzzles my host. It must be too hard for this particular manager to deal with the fact that someone can actually win on free play and not have to open their own wallet.

    For the record, I have had sessions when just with $300 or less of free play I have walked out of Rincon with $13,000+ in cash. While that has happened twice over the years I have had several sessions when with a couple hundred of free play I've walked out with several thousand dollars.

    What exactly was on this website that got the manager angry? I don't know. I was only relaying what my host told me, and that was that I wrote something here. Frankly, I've written a lot here -- good and bad. I have been very critical of how Rincon has cut its offers including free play.

    Was I cheated out of the bounce back? Well, it would never stand up in any court because you're right-- they can always change their rules. But let me say this: there were several times during the year when bounce back did not show up in my monthly mailer and when I called my host to ask about it I was told that I had "no play" during the month -- and I know I did. How do I know? I look at my checkbook register for the dates I played when I hit the ATM at Rincon because I do not have a credit line there.

    But here's the bottom line: some manager at Rincon is in a tizzy over a player who puts through hundreds of thousands of dollars in video poker because some daily free play offers of $80 or less were claimed without accompanying cash play.

    If I were a manager at Rincon and some player put through hundreds of thousands of dollars in video poker but only was getting $80 of free play -- I would double his free play and hope that he put through even more money. LOL

  14. #14
    This is especially perplexing because your ADT should still be quite high due to all of your heavy sessions. Your AMT (average marketing theoretical) is even more impressive, since you don't stay in the hotel.

    The only explanation I can think of (aside from the manager just hating you) is that you have disproportionately used freeplay only there in recent times, whereas most of your "money play" was months ago.

    So I guess the question I'm asking: How many times have you gone in the last few months and deposited real money in the machines, and how many times have you only used freeplay?

    But you're right, I can't imagine why they would cut your offers to zero when you are giving them so much action.

    I think this is part of the whole 2015 strategy of theirs to push out the video poker "grinders" (the ones who always stick to 99%+ games) and instead cater to the casual gambler who doesn't understand paytables and their significance.

    I am also wondering how much profit they really make on a player like you.

    Since the Rincon tribe owns the casino, yet it's a CET property which participates in the Total Rewards program, I am assuming that there is some agreement in place with CET regarding paying/getting paid for earning/spending TR benefits.

    Consider the following:

    Example #1: I earn $500 worth of RCs while playing in Vegas, and then come to Rincon and spend all $500 RCs at Fiore. In this case, I would expect CET to reimburse Rincon for what I spent.

    Example #2: I earn $500 worth of RCs at Rincon, and then go use them at Nobu at Caesars Las Vegas. In this case, I would expect Rincon to reimburse CET for what I spent.

    It's possible that they just have a reciprocal agreement to where nobody reimburses each other, but I'm guessing that isn't the case (and may not even be legal, as CET is not supposed to "own" any of the Rincon by California law).

    So what's my point?

    I think it's possible that Rincon has to reimburse CET for every RC you earn there, which further cuts into their profits. Now, it's true that RCs only account for 0.1% of each dollar wagered, but it's still another 0.1% off their edge, and it can be as high as 0.5% if you play on those 5x RC days.

    So they might have run the numbers and decided that full pay VP players just aren't worth the trouble, and are now making it very unfriendly for them to keep coming to Rincon.
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  15. #15
    Dan here's the bottom line, as I look at it:

    I am a 7 Stars player who so far this year has more than 530,000 tier points -- most of them earned at Rincon.
    My weekly free play has been about $80.
    My U Choose offers were $50 and generally I used one per week UNTIL they required that I earn 50-tier points to claim it and that's when I stopped going on those weekdays.
    My Friday "scramble" is usually worth another $80 to $120 in free play, and sometimes up to $300 in free play.
    I never stayed in the hotel so I always converted my RCs into free play which sometimes gave me an extra $100 or so of additional free play each week.
    All of that has some manager upset about something and now stopped all free play offers.

    In summary: I put through $400,000 of coin-in per month, and used about $600 of free play a month. Does it make sense that the $600 of free play would be eliminated? Does it make sense that the $600 of free play would be a cause of concern?

  16. #16
    Alan, I'm on your side here. I think it's possible someone got offended at Rincon and shut down your offers to spite you.

    But I need to ask again, how many times in the last 10 visits did you play freeplay only?

    I ask this because casinos are the ultimate in "What have you done for me lately?"

    This is because past play doesn't always represent future play. Sometimes whales of the past (even the recent past) go broke or decide to stop gambling, and then they try to "coast" off the comps that their past play earned them. When it comes to offers or RFB, casinos are very cautious about this, so they hit the panic button when they see a formerly active player just show up with freeplay coupons and leave.
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  17. #17
    Actually my free play has been limited recently because I can no longer bank free play -- it must be used within 72 hours.

    Earlier in the year it was easy for me to drive by Rincon while working in the area, swipe and bank my free play, and then return for an actual session. Can't do that now. Keep in mind I have several clients in the Temecula area, and Rincon was a 15 minute detour. And that made a lot more sense than making a special 2.5 hour trip from home.

  18. #18
    Alan - You may be too annoyed and pissed off at Rincon to do this, but why don't you try to set up a meeting with this manager to find out exactly how he is feeling and why he did this. Maybe there was one thing you said that set him off. Or maybe he misinterpreted something you said. Or maybe he was just in a really bad mood that day and took it out on you. With your [celebrity] status I would think you could get a meeting.

    Going to Rincon is a fun part of your life. (I mean that only in a good way.) And if it is going to change based on their doing, especially after all of the years you have been going there, you should at least have the exact reason why, directly from the decision maker. (Not from a host.)

  19. #19
    Originally Posted by Chimp View Post
    Alan - You may be too annoyed and pissed off at Rincon to do this, but why don't you try to set up a meeting with this manager to find out exactly how he is feeling and why he did this.
    Set up a meeting? You mean drive two and a half hours to have him insult me over $80 of weekly free play? You've got to be kidding. The last time you saw me there was a day I put on more than 5,600 tier points (before the bonus) playing video poker and you know how much coin-in that is. Me drive to him? He should send me a limo, promise me an RFB weekend with dinners every night at Fiore and kiss my ass.

  20. #20
    I agree you shouldn't drive 2 1/2 hours to meet with this guy.

    However, why not just call up the manager, and speak with him directly? Tell him everything you've said out here, and ask him what has been bothering him about this site.

    Then post the content of the conversation here if you're not treated respectfully.
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