Jacks Or Better vs Bonus Video Poker Games

[redietz]

That's the best goddamn video poker bonanza I have ever heard of -- Dancer's big hit doesn't count because his wife actually did it, and she probably took it back during the divorce.

So super congratulations!!

Ummm, you didn't go and get married during this trip, did you?

What I think is cool is that your son hit his royal thanks to you. That is ultra cool.

[Alan Mendelson]

Thanks redietz. Fortunately I was there by myself. As I told my girlfriend afterwards -- had she been there I probably would have bought her a diamond at Tiffany. LOL

[BadBeet]

Lucky snot-nosed kid of yours

[Dan Druff]

Thanks redietz. Fortunately I was there by myself. As I told my girlfriend afterwards -- had she been there I probably would have bought her a diamond at Tiffany. LOL

New girlfriend already? You recover fast.

I never go out and spend money right after I win. I guess it's the part of me that knows losing can (and will) happen just as easily, so the win has to cover the later losses.

This is true even in poker, where I am a lifetime big winner.

When I won $347,385 during my 2005 WSOP bracelet win, I was asked during an interview what I am going to go out and spend the money on.

"Nothing," I replied. "I'm going to put it away."

With that said, I do buy things that I want/need and never "go without" due to cheapness.

So I buy a nice car, a nice place to live, good food, and I don't hesitate to turn on the heat if I'm cold or the AC if I'm hot.

But I've never been a spree spender.

[redietz]

[QUOTE=Dan Druff;32352]New girlfriend already? You recover fast.



As has been said of many good college football coaches, "Alan doesn't recruit. He reloads."

[Alan Mendelson]

I'm not stupid. When one turns bad -- cut your losses. And when a good deal comes along -- grab it.

[dannyj]

Lucky snot-nosed kid of yours

What is your problem dude?

[Rob.Singer]

Did I really kiss away ten grand? I showed up in Vegas with $60 cash in my wallet and took a $5,000 marker at Caesars. I hit some quads, a straight flush and a $100,000 royal after putting in the machine only $1,000. I paid back the $5,000 marker and left Vegas with a $90,000 check plus $4,600. That was a net profit of $94,600 on the trip. Yes, before I left I also played at Bellagio where I hit some quads, including quad aces with a kicker for $10k and gave my son $3,000 to play (and he hit a $26,000+ royal).

Frankly, if you call that "kissing away ten grand" I'd say it was one hell of a big, deep, wet kiss.

The problem is--and someone in the euphoria of such winning would never see this at the present time--is that after being ahead over $100k you needed to be asking yourself "what else could I POSSIBLY hit"? And once you realized that your pinnacle had been reached, you'd be more than happy to quit until the next time. And you do realize, I hope, that while more winning could have ensued, overwhelmingly it will not.

Of course the bigger issue is that you've already talked yourself into it being "acceptable" to have thrown away $10k, so throwing more five figure amounts isn't too much of a stretch. I just hope you can stay away from the machines the rest of the year, even though the $25 & $100 machines now beckon you like never before. Not everything turns out like Shirley Dancer's luck (although her luckiest day was the one where she got rid of her poker machine addict hubby).

[Alan Mendelson]

Thanks for your concern Rob. I guess since you're a retiree you have a different outlook. I was very happy to take a $90,000 check and paying off my marker and having $5,000 for additional play. Had I not Jason wouldn't have hit his $26,000 royal. So violating the "Rob Singer Commandments" scored another big one for the Mendelson Gang.

[BadBeet]

Some of us play for fun. Yes the money won is nice, but we also just enjoy the game. When I hit, I put aside some money just to have fun with and do things I wouldn't normally bet / play just for the pure pleasure of it.

[Alan Mendelson]

Some of us play for fun. Yes the money won is nice, but we also just enjoy the game. When I hit, I put aside some money just to have fun with and do things I wouldn't normally bet / play just for the pure pleasure of it.

And I think that's the way it is for most people. Rob is out to screw the casinos -- literally. He considers them his enemy which is a big reason why he says what he says and does what he does.

I love the idea of winning money so I can play more. Yes, I have a loss limit and when I reach a win goal I either walk away or raise my win goal using "stop losses." Rob has no concept of that.

By taking a check for $90,000 after paying back my $5,000 marker I established a base win, and now I had more opportunity to increase the win and to enjoy my time in Vegas. I didn't win more-- but my son certainly did.

By the way-- when I told Jason to come up to Vegas I promised him a short term loan for him to cover some expenses for his business in addition to the money I was giving him to play. Obviously, after he hit his royal he didn't need the short term loan anymore. I call that a win-win situation for both of us.

[Rob.Singer]

Maybe you missed the point but I don't believe you did. You have shown yourself not only unable to quit after a big win, but you also cannot stay away from the action. This wad of cash (if the check doesn't bounce) is not a good idea in hands like yours. You need a financial advisor--aka, a wife--to keep you from feeling OK if you lose tens of thousands more. Yes you'll simply write it all off to "hey, I won $3500 overall and that would never be if I hadn't hit that royal". The rest of the world will see any further losses as just as wasteful as the first $10k dump, only they won't say anything. Jason can win or lose all he wants. Has nothing to do with you.

Please heed the word and stay away from the machines for the rest of the year. Challenge yourself. Don't let the casinos or your uncontrollable penchant for gambling control you. Buy that new car and be safe in more ways than one.

[redietz]

Whenever I've had a five-digit win and people ask what I plan to do with the money, my answer is always the same,

"A third of it will go for gambling, a third for hookers, and the rest I'll waste."

[Alan Mendelson]

Maybe you missed the point but I don't believe you did. You have shown yourself not only unable to quit after a big win, but you also cannot stay away from the action. This wad of cash (if the check doesn't bounce) is not a good idea in hands like yours. You need a financial advisor--aka, a wife--to keep you from feeling OK if you lose tens of thousands more. Yes you'll simply write it all off to "hey, I won $3500 overall and that would never be if I hadn't hit that royal". The rest of the world will see any further losses as just as wasteful as the first $10k dump, only they won't say anything. Jason can win or lose all he wants. Has nothing to do with you.

Please heed the word and stay away from the machines for the rest of the year. Challenge yourself. Don't let the casinos or your uncontrollable penchant for gambling control you. Buy that new car and be safe in more ways than one.

Rob, give it a rest. Does it really bother you this much when someone else wins? Am I going to be your next target instead of Dancer because I hit a hundred thousand dollar royal? And now you're telling me to get a financial advisor aka wife? Let me clue you in: I lost more money on wives than I ever lost in casinos.

[RS__]

Funny how AM's point of posting his wins in this thread is because "BP > JOB". Which is funny, because the bonus 4oak he hit paid an extra whopping $1875. Seems like a whole lot, but that's only 15 extra hands/units at the $25 level. Then the AWAK on $5 DDB paid an extra $9375, which I agree is a significant difference, especially at the $5 denom level. I wonder where that money went, though..funny how the "super big wins" disappear rather quickly.

Big wins are always nice. Kinda funny how people make it out to "skill" or something like that, that you hit the RF on $25 denom instead of $5...or rather, that hitting a $25 RF is somehow proof that "AP" doesn't exist.

Congrats on the wins. I give it 9 months or less before you know who has that $$$ back and then some.

[Alan Mendelson]

RS__ please be more specific. Some quads pay the same in both Bonus and Jacks. But certain quads in Bonus such as AAAA and sometimes 2222 can give you enough of a profit that you reach a win goal and call it quits.

In particular: 4444 in $5 Jacks pays $625 and in $5 Bonus pays $1000. That extra $375 just might tell you it's time for dinner or to go home.

With AAAA it's $625 in Jacks and $2000 in Bonus. That's a nice payday, isn't it?

[RS__]

RS__ please be more specific. Some quads pay the same in both Bonus and Jacks. But certain quads in Bonus such as AAAA and sometimes 2222 can give you enough of a profit that you reach a win goal and call it quits.

In particular: 4444 in $5 Jacks pays $625 and in $5 Bonus pays $1000. That extra $375 just might tell you it's time for dinner or to go home.

With AAAA it's $625 in Jacks and $2000 in Bonus. That's a nice payday, isn't it?

What was your win goal in LV? You didn't think $10k or even $100k was enough?

[Alan Mendelson]

If you look again at my post: I took a check for $90,000 and that money was my "take home." The rest ($5,000) after paying off my marker was for additional play.

[Rob.Singer]

Rob, give it a rest. Does it really bother you this much when someone else wins? Am I going to be your next target instead of Dancer because I hit a hundred thousand dollar royal? And now you're telling me to get a financial advisor aka wife? Let me clue you in: I lost more money on wives than I ever lost in casinos.

Alan, you're showboating just to avoid the real issue. Who in their right mind, when you claim to be "OK" with losing $2500 in markers on a trip (but for this thread you curiously bumped it up to $5000) pronounces that throwing away $10,000 of a $100k win is "acceptable" in any way, shape, or form? You seem to be forgetting that you have a bunch of readers here, some of whom may be influenced by what you're saying.

My advice to forget about playing the rest of the year is sound advice and you along with everyone else knows it. You're no AP who needs to grind it out with as much play as possible just to get slot club goodies for justification purposes. You're well ahead for the year. Risking your first ever winning year is stupid. Now that your check cleared, I wouldn't be surprised if you hit the road this weekend and the next. Why? Because although everyone else here but that dante is too timid to say so and none of them care as much as I do, you never stop when you say you'll stop which in this case means you can't wait to get your next hi-limit fix. I'm simply hoping you won't do that. Yes you could win big again, but all that'll mean is it'll take longer for you to lose it all back to the casinos while you tell yourself how acceptable that is.

Make the right decision please.

[Alan Mendelson]

Rob you're a retiree. You have no business playing in a casino when you're on a fixed income without a job and prospects for new income. Save your quarters for new tires on your road yacht.