Low $ Risk, High $ Return for Craps

[Alan Mendelson]

Unfortunately, if you play craps the conventional way, you have to get very lucky pressing bets to win a lot of money, or you have to start out making big bets to win a lot of money.

There isn't much chance for a low roller to make a lot of money unless they get lucky on the "exotic" bets -- which not every casino has.

Here are two strategies for betting a small amount of money but gives you the opportunity to win a lot of money with a small upfront cash cost at craps.

I'm going to suggest a low risk, high return strategy:

Bet the passline without odds (odds don't make you win) + a "feature bet" or "exotic bet" (Firebet or small, tall, all) for no more than your passline bet.

EXAMPLE #1 FIRE BET TABLE

As an example, you are at a $25 table. Bet $25 on the pass with $10 on the Fire. ($10 Fire is the maximum bet I know of.)

Your maximum exposure is $35.
If you make one pass (and a winner 7, or winner 11 on the come out is included), your possible loss shrinks to $10.

If two passes are made (come out winners included) you have a profit of $15.

If more passes are made you will have more profits without any additional exposure. And if you hit 4, 5, or 6 Fire Bet points you make much bigger money.

EXAMPLE #2 SMALL, TALL, ALL TABLE

As an example, you are at a $15 minimum table. (Bellagio has this.) Bet $15 pass with $5 on each of the small, tall, all bets. Total exposure is $30.

This is a little trickier because a winner 7 on the come out pays you $15 but you lose your $15 STA bets. But if you avoid the 7 for as few as ten rolls, even if you fail to make even one pass, you will win 5X35 + 5X35 + 5X175 = $1,225.

[RoeIncarnate]

Interesting.

Not sure I could watch a table long enough to play #1. It is similar to how I started when I first learned. Minimum pass line and single odds and then just wait.

#2 has an interesting upside but I think it would get wiped out pretty quickly often.

However if you are a low roller, then just doubling your money is really fun and isn't that hard to do with craps if you get one or two good rollers.


Roe.

[Alan Mendelson]

I have been under attack (nothing new about that) on the WOV forum for suggesting that craps players with a good SRR (seven to rolls ratio) would be well served by betting the Small, Tall, All bets at casinos that have it. Or course the discussion changed course to what is dice influencing and can it exist and why is betting the STA better than betting just the passline or rolling 7s and laying the 4 and 10.

So since there are WOV posters who claim to know what I am talking about, and what I mean, I posted what I really mean about dice influencing and the Small, Tall, All bet and I copied it to for this forum too:

Rather than guessing what I believe I will tell you what I believe.

I believe dice influencing is possible. It is a skill. If you practice or if you are naturally gifted you can have this skill.

Dice control comes in varying degrees. We all control the dice to some extent. For most of us, control is having both dice hitting the back wall without flying off the table.

I have never witnessed any shooter deliver any number on command.

I have watched, what I believe, were only three true dice influencers who managed to have what appeared to be a controlled throw -- meaning the dice travelled together and had a limited bounce and rotations off the back wall.

This is what I believe.

I suggested that if someone claims that they have a great SRR that they should bet the STA because anyone with a great SRR should certainly benefit from the STA. And as a bonus, they needn't hit any number twice. However, a DI can certainly make money just betting the passline, or just placing the 6 and 8, or laying the 4 and 10 and increasing the appearance of the 7 if that is their goal.

While I know the various authors and those who run the schools I know that what they teach has severe limitations. My parents spent a lot of money on teachers so I could play the piano -- and I could never play. There was nothing wrong with the teachers -- I just never practiced. I have no doubt that what is taught in the various "dice shooting" schools can have some value -- but paying for a course doesn't mean you or anyone else will ever be able to apply what they learned.

The physics of dice control is all very logical. It doesn't mean anyone can do it. It doesn't hurt to try. I will say that again as I've always said it -- it doesn't hurt to try.

The game of craps allows the shooter to try to influence the dice to go his way. If you don't try to get the dice to land "your way" why do you even bother to play? If you don't want to try to get the dice to land your way and you want to play for only for "variance" then play slot machines because they have variance and nothing you can do (legally) will affect their outcome.