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    Think about it (esp. Chimp): When people read something that gets to them because it's the truth or at least close to it, they respond with denial, deflection, and/or anger that just can't be hidden.

    Just like all of you who oddly feel you HAVE to tip on handpays in order to tone down the tension when you never asked for that service in the first place (which, btw, is similar to what your electric meter reader is required to do if you want that electricity....) no one can hide from what's really goin on. All you 7-Stars very special players explain that very well. Even when you don't say it, you do.

    Need any more insight?

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    Speaking of handpays, I tipped $500 on the $100,000 royal. I figured if Jean Scott says $100 is appropriate for a $20,000 royal, then five times that must be okay for a $100,000 royal.

  3. #3
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Think about it (esp. Chimp): When people read something that gets to them because it's the truth or at least close to it, they respond with denial, deflection, and/or anger that just can't be hidden.

    Just like all of you who oddly feel you HAVE to tip on handpays in order to tone down the tension when you never asked for that service in the first place (which, btw, is similar to what your electric meter reader is required to do if you want that electricity....) no one can hide from what's really goin on. All you 7-Stars very special players explain that very well. Even when you don't say it, you do.

    Need any more insight?
    Of course. Assholes don't tip. Decent people, even Alan, tip.

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    The concept of tipping $500 made my skin crawl. Yuckarama. I need to come up with some rationale to be able to sleep tonight. Knowing somebody tipped $500 for a video poker jackpot makes my bones hurt.

    I have it. Alan is currently single, and the person delivering the check to Alan was a really, really hot babe. Yeah, that's the ticket. Now I can just keep repeating that and I'll be able to sleep.

    See, Rob? It doesn't have to cause us any lost sleep. Just come up with a storyline with which we can live.

  5. #5
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Speaking of handpays, I tipped $500 on the $100,000 royal. I figured if Jean Scott says $100 is appropriate for a $20,000 royal, then five times that must be okay for a $100,000 royal.
    Jean also fills her purse with apples and rolls from buffets. How have you topped that?

    So you threw away $500 of the royal on what exactly? Did you request the handpay service? Did you request the W2G? Or were those services required by the business and the Gov't? You know, just like your gov't. meter reader is required to record your water or electric usage in order that you get what you need. Tell me, just how much do you tip for THESE services that you never ask for but are nonetheless required?

    See how dumb tipping casino workers is? The come at you in your moment of euphoria with congratulations and smiles and as if they're your best friends. Intimidation at its finest, with weak people at their absolute weakest point. But what's this?--refuse to tip and worry how they'll feel about you? Horror of horrors!!

  6. #6
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    The concept of tipping $500 made my skin crawl. Yuckarama. I need to come up with some rationale to be able to sleep tonight. Knowing somebody tipped $500 for a video poker jackpot makes my bones hurt.

    I have it. Alan is currently single, and the person delivering the check to Alan was a really, really hot babe. Yeah, that's the ticket. Now I can just keep repeating that and I'll be able to sleep.

    See, Rob? It doesn't have to cause us any lost sleep. Just come up with a storyline with which we can live.
    I've never been one to believe I have the right to tell others how to spend their money, and I'm not going to start now.

    But I agree with you, that $500 tip hurt me to read, as well.

    I totally understand why Alan invited his son to join him after that big hit, and promised to bankroll his play. It's his own son, and he wanted to share the joy of the weekend with him. I totally get that.

    I even understand why Alan shot off $10k back, in an attempt to turn a great trip into an even greater one. I wouldn't have personally done that, but I can totally see how he felt caught up in the moment and let the excitement take hold.

    But I don't get the $500 tip. That is just insane. If I hit that $100k jackpot, I would tip $20, and if I got a nasty face or any other indication that they were unhappy, I would have tipped $0 the next handpay.

    They didn't do much more work than when you hit a $2000 jackpot, so why tip $500 here?
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  7. #7
    You guys are right. I probably should have tipped only $300.

  8. #8
    Whew--for a while you had me thinking I was a cheap SOB. I am from more of the Rob Singer camp on tips for hand pays, but like Dan, $20 or maybe $50. Not $500.

    But others would probably come down on me for over-tipping in restaurants. So actually--who cares how much Alan gave her. It's his $$$.

  9. #9
    Yikes. I guess I way over-tipped on my $50K hit. I was actually pretty pissed about finding out, afterwards, that a particular attendant was purposely sent to give me my check because we chatted a lot and the thought was that I would therefore give a bigger tip than if someone else gave it to me. The ironic thing is that this attendant bugged the crap out of me with over-talking. I was just being polite but actually couldn't stand it when she would see me and come over to talk.
    Although I think I over-tipped, I did not raise the amount because of the attendant. And I have successfully ended the "chatting" relationship with the attendant.

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    You should be ending the TIPPING relationship with that attendant and every casino. Chatting costs nothing. BTW thank you for proving how manipulative and intimidating the floor people can be when someone hits it big. And Alan, $300 is just as stupid--your money or not. No wonder these people feel as if they are entitled to a cut of OUR money after WE hit jackpots. And if you're gonna cave into the pressure and tip, Dan's twenty bucks is more than enough for these slugs. Who cares if they pay you $2000 or $200,000. It's all one in the same.

    Speaking of Alan calling in Jason from LA after the big royal----first, notwithstanding he should have gone straight home rather than stick around and call someone else into the gambling pit, I didn't get the point of doing that. Jason from what we read goes often enough, and the machines would still be there whenever he chose to go. Are you saying that the Mendelsons were too broke overall for Jason to take the trip with you? That certainly doesn't make much sense. I know....he was busy, then he wasn't! Good for him that he hit a royal too. Anything to mug the casinos.

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    Jason said I should not respond to Rob.

  12. #12
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Speaking of Alan calling in Jason from LA after the big royal----first, notwithstanding he should have gone straight home rather than stick around and call someone else into the gambling pit, I didn't get the point of doing that. Jason from what we read goes often enough, and the machines would still be there whenever he chose to go. Are you saying that the Mendelsons were too broke overall for Jason to take the trip with you? That certainly doesn't make much sense. I know....he was busy, then he wasn't! Good for him that he hit a royal too. Anything to mug the casinos.
    I look forward to the day you post a "win" so we can do everything we can to post negative things about it.

    On second thought... I'd rather you just not win.

  13. #13
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    You should be ending the TIPPING relationship with that attendant and every casino. Chatting costs nothing. BTW thank you for proving how manipulative and intimidating the floor people can be when someone hits it big. And Alan, $300 is just as stupid--your money or not. No wonder these people feel as if they are entitled to a cut of OUR money after WE hit jackpots. And if you're gonna cave into the pressure and tip, Dan's twenty bucks is more than enough for these slugs. Who cares if they pay you $2000 or $200,000. It's all one in the same.
    Rob, I don't like tipping the attendants. Not one bit. Even the ones I genuinely like. But yes, the pressure not to be called a cheap a-hole is strong.
    Don't take that the wrong way. I'm not calling you that. I'm just saying that I don't want to be called one.

  14. #14
    I don't know what is said behind my back, but never at any casino has a slot person lingered around after a hand pay looking for a tip. On my last trip to Bellagio I had floor people who gave me the handpay and then ran off even before I started to reach for my wallet to give them a tip.

    Only once in all my years playing craps did a dealer "suggest" a tip. But it was a monster roll and the dealer said "how about a hard 8 for us?" That was once in more than 20 years of playing craps.

  15. #15
    Same experience here, Alan. They almost always run off quickly...as if they're told not to stick around.

  16. #16
    You're kidding. I've had some who have blatantly lingered.

  17. #17
    Originally Posted by Chimp View Post
    You're kidding. I've had some who have blatantly lingered.
    Remember also that I've told floor people, hosts and managers that I don't want to be bothered with small talk when I am playing. And that's at Rincon and Caesars. No one knows me well enough at Bellagio yet to bother me.

    Chimp you're a good looking lady. Of course the guys are going to hang around you!

    I've actually had to say to floor people "hold on a minute" to get my tip money together, so they won't run off.

  18. #18
    Originally Posted by Chimp View Post
    Rob, I don't like tipping the attendants. Not one bit. Even the ones I genuinely like. But yes, the pressure not to be called a cheap a-hole is strong.
    Don't take that the wrong way. I'm not calling you that. I'm just saying that I don't want to be called one.
    Originally Posted by Chimp View Post
    You're kidding. I've had some who have blatantly lingered.
    I fully agree on both counts.

    I've also had some who linger.

    I've also never had a huge jackpot, and have faced some ungrateful, unhappy attendants who weren't happy with my $5 tip on a 4-figure payout.

    That's actually what pisses me off. Some of them have gotten so used to huge tips on jackpots that you actually get a negative reaction from some of them when you don't tip what they have been "accustomed" to from over-generous tippers. And that's outrageous. I will leave zero next time to anyone who does that to me.
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  19. #19
    A waitress at Rampart lingered for a friend and I over two tiny cokes.

  20. #20
    I get annoyed when the last $100 of a jackpot is "conveniently" paid out in $20s without me asking. This has happened in a couple of casinos I have won at that are day trips from my home.

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