That's a good point that it's only four bets, RS__. And the biggest critic of tipping seems to be the same guy who says it doesn't matter if you're playing 8/5 or 7/5 Bonus when you hit the big pays.
That's a good point that it's only four bets, RS__. And the biggest critic of tipping seems to be the same guy who says it doesn't matter if you're playing 8/5 or 7/5 Bonus when you hit the big pays.
It's got to do with the same type of things about gambling that always seem to escape you RS__. It doesn't matter what any of the theoretical percentages of certain hands are in relationship to tipping. It's the contradictory fact that AP's claim to go about their game in a grind-it-out way, always searching for any perceived edge in order that they believe they have some sort of an "advantage" over the casino. And at the same time, while those tips may be only a very small % of their overall enormous amount of play, they are anything BUT that when it comes to hard profit & loss figures. It is also this obvious type of logic that pushes you into claiming 10% and up "edges" without ever supporting one of them. You WANT to appear like you know more than others and you have some secret inside info that the minions will never be privy to. Yet you continuously undress yourself here at the same time.
Similarly, AP's pride themselves on being intelligent people who can spot, manipulate & adjust with the best of them. But tipping handpays actually exposes a major flaw in their bravado and makes no sense in machine play, as the player never does ask for any particular service from anybody. It simply is something that has to be done as part of the overall procedure, just like security guards, back room accountants, and front desk clerks are also required for proper operation of a facility. I spotted the handpay tipping anomaly back in 2000 and immediately adjusted my policy. Consequently, having had millions of dollars in W2G's since then, not tipping has easily paid for at least my last 2 cars. But more importantly, I no longer feel any pressure or intimidation just after receiving that last 20 or hundy in my hands. Of course, few if any will ever admit to feeling a bit uneasy once those handpays are completed, and even less will fess up to how RELIEVED the get once they hand over the cash to an undeserving attendant.
Last edited by Rob.Singer; 10-23-2015 at 08:49 AM.
Gosh my concern is always did I tip enough?
What do you mean by "playing off multipliers"?Originally Posted by jbjb
You mean those days where they multiply the reward credits you earn?
At CET properties, that is never enough to make any VP game +EV, let alone +2%.
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No. Ultimate X, Multi-Streak, Barnyard Poker, etc.
I do this when not out traveling.
So you're referring to stalking Ultimate X games for the fluke of when people leave multipliers unplayed?
That seems very unpleasant and time consuming.
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I actually have fun with it. Can be frustrating at times though. And by no means will you get rich doing it. That's what table games AP is for. Again, you need a good location and no competition.
All things considered, I'm with Rob on the tipping. Working hard to find games and learning proper strategy, then giving chunks away on tips, seems asinine. There's no objective reason to tip. I think part of it is sheer (and unacknowledged) superstition. Something "good" happened to you upon hitting the royal, so you share the wealth with those around you in some karmic bribery. It smacks of the idea of "seed money" sent to Christian televangelists who say good things will happen to you because of your generosity.
That whole thing about 2% plus advantages must be nice, but it's the equivalent of living somewhere where the local bookie occasionally screws up a line that one can whack. Nice work if one can get it.
In the bulk of the real world, there are no 2% advantages in video poker. Yeah, if I lived somewhere where I had a 20% video poker advantage, I'd tip great. And if I had Rob's schlong, I'd be a porn star.
Red, the common sense of what you're saying is obvious, but what muffs it up is these guys claiming there's 10% and greater vp "edges" so often it makes their heads spin clear off.
I haven't thought much about people who cave in and tip on handpays thinking the goodwill might just come back at them thru the machines someday. And there's millions of confused people who blindly send money into those religious TV quacks expecting their souls to be saved because they gave. It's all in the same misguided vein. All sending money to televangelists does is make people look stupid while making the TV personalities wealthy. And all tipping on handpays does is put a needless drain on one's cash.
I don't care what my edge is on vp or tables. I'm not tipping.
jbjb, what kind of reactions do you get from the attendants when you don't tip?Originally Posted by jbjb
In particular, at places that you frequent and they know you?
I rarely get hand pays so it's pretty irrelevant. Most of my interaction with them is getting a jammed ticket out of the machine.
I wouldn't tip over a jammed ticket. I might ask for a meal comp if it took too long.
Chimp,Originally Posted by Chimp
I only go to Rincon and for about 10 years now. On hand pays I never tip. I play nothing but VP and only play .25, .50 and 1.00. I have never had a problem with any reaction. It has never been a problem.
Yea, I wish I had never started tipping.Originally Posted by spojoey
I wonder if we have seen each other at Rincon??? It's small enough and usually the regulars recognize each other.
I moved the posts about TIPPING to this thread.
In particular I want to keep the New Years Eve thread free of the tipping discussion.
Tipping is one way of trying to personally help alleviate income inequality. Of course then you have to think about who is always getting the tips. If the tips are concentrated in a few people then it doesn't help.
Question: when you win big, do you ever give your waitress a bigger tip?
I tip the housekeepers extra when I win big.
Alleviate income inequality? WTF? You must be an Obama apologist. Who cares who makes what? It's a free and open market and if you want to make a good life then you go do it.Originally Posted by RoeIncarnate
Having had a 25 year US Gov't./corporate America career spent mostly travelling, and then 10 years as a professional gambler from Az. making weekly trips to around Nevada, I've probably booked more hotel nights than a good many people. And I have never once left any tips for housekeeping anywhere. Ever. That's nearly as wasteful as giving away a part of your jackpot handpay to some floor attendant. These people deserve their salary and nothing from guests. When I show up I expect a clean room, and every new day I expect a clean room. And here's a flash: IT'S INCLUDED IN YOUR ROOM COST!! Please, I don't want to hear how these poor third world minorities and white trash rejects need our tips (sniffle sniffle....) in order to make it because their wages are so low.
I tip waitresses a buck a drink in the rare times I order a drink on the floor. Winning or losing big changes nothing. If I go into a restaurant after winning $50k or greater, I still tip based on service. I average 15%-25%.
Last edited by Rob.Singer; 10-24-2015 at 10:38 PM.
Rob, explain to me please why you will tip a cocktail waitress and a waiter in a restaurant but you won't tip a housekeeper in a hotel? Everyone -- the waitress, the restaurant server, and the housekeeper are all employed and paid a wage, and are doing their jobs -- but you won't tip the housekeeper? I think you said you also tip valets. But not the housekeepers? Explain that please.
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