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  1. #1
    I thought it would be appropriate to start a separate thread about professional players and their tax deductions, since we have some pros here and APs who want to maximize their returns both in casinos and with the IRS.

    Here are a couple of bits of info from the IRS that might be useful and might start off the conversation:

    To be deductible for tax purposes, expenses incurred for travel, meals, and entertainment must be ordinary and necessary expenses incurred while carrying on your trade or business. Generally, you also must show that entertainment expenses (including meals) are directly related to, or associated with, the conduct of your trade or business.

    For 2014, the standard mileage rate for the cost of operating your car for business use is 56 cents per mile.

    lodging and meals: your lodging and meals if your business trip is overnight or long
    enough that you need to stop for sleep or rest to properly perform your
    duties. Meals include amounts spent for food, beverages, taxes, and
    related tips.


    You cannot deduct expenses for meals that are lavish or extravagant. An expense is not considered lavish or extravagant if it is reasonable based on the facts and circumstances. Expenses will not be disallowed merely because they are more than
    a fixed dollar amount or take place at deluxe restaurants, hotels, nightclubs, or resorts.


    50% limit on meals. You can figure your meals expense using either of the following
    methods.
    Actual cost.
    The standard meal allowance.

    But, regardless of the method you use, you generally can deduct only 50% of the unreimbursed cost of your meals.

  2. #2
    Not the entire book Alan, hardly, but it probably doesn't matter since there probably aren't any full-time pro gamblers here.

  3. #3
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Not the entire book Alan, hardly, but it probably doesn't matter since there probably aren't any full-time pro gamblers here.
    Wanna bet?

  4. #4
    Originally Posted by slobdinger View Post
    Wanna bet?
    Yes, I would. A schedule C would suffice as evidence.

  5. #5
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Yes, I would. A schedule C would suffice as evidence.
    LOL! No bet. Do you really think I would divulge any information about myself to you? I've watched you operate for years. You take any and all information you have about someone, twist it around, and use it to disparage them. In the dinner thread you cried about all the people who called you a fraud. Who brought that on themselves. In all the gambling forums you've participated in, and eventually got banned from, countless people have respectfully disagreed with you on video poker tactics. For being nice they got called morons, stupid, idiots, pathetic, degenerate, and a host of other disparaging terms by you. Then you have the gall to say its not nice of them to call you a fraud? Get real, Rob. Some people fire back at you. Live by the sword die by the sword.

  6. #6
    You also have to pay into FICA on your own.

  7. #7
    Originally Posted by arcimede$ View Post
    You also have to pay into FICA on your own.
    True but FICA is a limited amount.

  8. #8
    mickey lets see you come up with one instance of someone RESPECTFULLY disagreeing with me on vp strategy or anything else I said and me come back and call them any of those aforementioned names prior to them either attacking me or lying about me. I'd ask for a bet on this but you neither have the money, the fortitude (see above post of running for cover) or the truthfulness residing anywhere inside of you. But I would be happy to bet a tube of toothpaste if you're so inclined.

    Look who's talking about getting banned.... At least I never come back as an alias.

  9. #9
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    At least I never come back as an alias.
    What's that you say, aces hii, er, Robbie? And I do believe someone told me Alan caught you using an alias twice. Maligno Robbie is an honest man.If you don't believe it just ask aces hii
    Last edited by slobdinger; 12-08-2015 at 03:16 PM.

  10. #10
    Originally Posted by slobdinger View Post
    What's that you say, aces hii, er, Robbie? And I do believe someone told me Alan caught you using an alias twice. Maligno Robbie is an honest man.If you don't believe it just ask aces hii
    mickey my pal, you should know by now that whenever you use "Robbie" you give away the store about making up another story.....just like you do with those false tales to reel in the vpFree newbies trying to make them think your something. I've never once posted under an alias anywhere without first identifying myself and why--like I did using babybubba on videopoker.com.

  11. #11
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    mickey lets see you come up with one instance of someone RESPECTFULLY disagreeing with me on vp strategy or anything else I said and me come back and call them any of those aforementioned names
    Hmmm.... how many times have you brought up my divorces and how many times have you called me an addicted gambler. I don't think I ever called you one of those "names."

  12. #12
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Hmmm.... how many times have you brought up my divorces and how many times have you called me an addicted gambler. I don't think I ever called you one of those "names."
    LOL! You're busted, Rob.

  13. #13
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Hmmm.... how many times have you brought up my divorces and how many times have you called me an addicted gambler. I don't think I ever called you one of those "names."
    Nope, I don't believe you've ever called me any names. But why lie about something so obvious as "divorced". If you're divorced, you're divorced. Are you now claiming you have never been divorced? And addicted gambler? That's a very accurate description of many people, including you. Why pretend it's just a name? I've admitted to being one in the past. Would I call myself a "name"?

  14. #14
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Nope, I don't believe you've ever called me any names. But why lie about something so obvious as "divorced". If you're divorced, you're divorced. Are you now claiming you have never been divorced? And addicted gambler? That's a very accurate description of many people, including you. Why pretend it's just a name? I've admitted to being one in the past. Would I call myself a "name"?
    Hey, everybody, call Gambler's Anonymous and ask them if they have ever heard of an addicted gambler who continues to gamble but is no longer addicted.

  15. #15
    I never lied about being divorced. Where did that come from? In fact I've said it here several times, and I'm open about it. It's you Rob who threw that into your posts as some sort of badge of shame and weakness when you responded to my opinions. And yes you accused me of being an addicted gambler many times. You throw these insults into your posts routinely. Just like you have to mention how Arc's wife was ill and died -- you have to say it all the time.

    So why do you? Probably because your own arguments are weak and you need insults and spam to cover the weakness of your own responses.

    Instead of showing strength your insults show your own weakness.

  16. #16
    Exactly right, Alan. That is why his insults have never bothered me. They clearly show his weakness which almost everyone can see.

    Now, where is belly boy to save the day?

  17. #17
    Originally Posted by arcimede$ View Post
    Now, where is belly boy to save the day?
    I am happy to oblige and mediate.

    Originally Posted by slobdinger View Post
    For being nice they got called morons, stupid, idiots, pathetic, degenerate, and a host of other disparaging terms by you.
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    mickey lets see you come up with one instance of someone RESPECTFULLY disagreeing with me on vp strategy or anything else I said and me come back and call them any of those aforementioned names prior to them either attacking me or lying about me.
    The aforementioned names are "morons, stupid, idiots, pathetic, degenerate"

    An instance was not provided where Rob called anyone, who respectfully disagreed, any of those names without having been attacked first.

    Originally Posted by slobdinger View Post
    In all the gambling forums you've participated in, and eventually got banned from, countless people have respectfully disagreed with you on video poker tactics.
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Hmmm.... how many times have you brought up my divorces and how many times have you called me an addicted gambler. I don't think I ever called you one of those "names."
    slobdinger refers to "gambling forums you've participated in, and eventually got banned from",
    which I consider to mean other forums...not this one.

    Although Rob has been temporarily suspended here, he is not banned, so this forum doesn't apply to Rob's reply above.

    I don't consider "divorced" to be a disparaging term, so that wouldn't be name-calling.

    "addicted gambler" could be considered disparaging, if the target is not an addicted gambler.

    I haven't read where the target has denied being an addicted gambler...but that doesn't make him a bad person.

  18. #18
    I am not an addicted gambler. I consider being called an addicted gambler not only insulting but also libelous and made to damage my good name, reputation and business. There you have it, coach.

  19. #19
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    I am not an addicted gambler. I consider being called an addicted gambler not only insulting but also libelous and made to damage my good name, reputation and business. There you have it, coach.
    OK...thanks for clearing that up.

    And you consider Rob a friend?...lucky for him that you do.

  20. #20
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    OK...thanks for clearing that up.

    And you consider Rob a friend?...lucky for him that you do.
    Yes, I consider him a friend who in person is opposite of what he is like on this forum and all others. Also, I have a thick skin. Also I am used to being attacked on forums of all sorts, including those in the broadcasting industry. Only once did I threaten a lawsuit when on a TV website it was falsely alleged that I was suspended from KCAL for messing around with an intern. The truth was I was having a contract dispute with KCAL and CBS over my previous website company (moredeals.com) which I was forced to sell to resolve the contract dispute. I was off the air for a week during the negotiations with the lawyers, AFTRA, and myself -- BUT I WAS STILL AT THE OFFICE. Rumors were flying around why I was off the air while still at the office (it was unbelievable since my segment on the news had big ratings). Then a TV gossip website came out with the allegation that I was messing with an intern. And yes, I was married at the time which made it even worse.

    Now, to complicate matters even more -- everyone on the inside (management) knew the truth, but because it was company policy not to discuss employee matters management did not tell the "gossip website" what was going on and I sent an email to the publisher of the website who ignored what I told him. Only when my attorney threatened a lawsuit that would bankrupt him did he publish a correction and by then I was back on the air.

    Later I forgave the publisher for what he did. He goofed.

    So... in summary... I'm used to this BS happening. Heck, I've been taken hostage, held with a knife to my throat, had LAPD protection because of threats, been shot at, etc. Do you think I'm going to be bothered by Rob Singer's online persona making stupid remarks? LOL

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