Professional gambler deductions

[Alan Mendelson]

OK...thanks for clearing that up.

And you consider Rob a friend?...lucky for him that you do.

Yes, I consider him a friend who in person is opposite of what he is like on this forum and all others. Also, I have a thick skin. Also I am used to being attacked on forums of all sorts, including those in the broadcasting industry. Only once did I threaten a lawsuit when on a TV website it was falsely alleged that I was suspended from KCAL for messing around with an intern. The truth was I was having a contract dispute with KCAL and CBS over my previous website company (moredeals.com) which I was forced to sell to resolve the contract dispute. I was off the air for a week during the negotiations with the lawyers, AFTRA, and myself -- BUT I WAS STILL AT THE OFFICE. Rumors were flying around why I was off the air while still at the office (it was unbelievable since my segment on the news had big ratings). Then a TV gossip website came out with the allegation that I was messing with an intern. And yes, I was married at the time which made it even worse.

Now, to complicate matters even more -- everyone on the inside (management) knew the truth, but because it was company policy not to discuss employee matters management did not tell the "gossip website" what was going on and I sent an email to the publisher of the website who ignored what I told him. Only when my attorney threatened a lawsuit that would bankrupt him did he publish a correction and by then I was back on the air.

Later I forgave the publisher for what he did. He goofed.

So... in summary... I'm used to this BS happening. Heck, I've been taken hostage, held with a knife to my throat, had LAPD protection because of threats, been shot at, etc. Do you think I'm going to be bothered by Rob Singer's online persona making stupid remarks? LOL

[arcimede$]

Rob claims that she attacked him first...constant complaints to his publisher.

Any reason not to assume that is true...that Jean Scott complained about Rob to his publisher?

I didn't read through the link you sent, is there anything else within that applies?

Of course, then there is one of his early comments to me ...

"I in turn easily
spotted you as a cry-baby, vp loser, and jealousy-driven ameteur
poster on several forums. Could be you are a guru-groupie. But how
could that be....I'm the #1 guru these days!"

You could find this type of comment from Singer about anyone that accepts basic mathematics and questions his methods. There have been dozens of examples. Read through the vp.com archives, or the LV advisor archives. The examples are endless.

[coach belly]

Of course, then there is one of his early comments to me ...

"I in turn easily
spotted you as a cry-baby, vp loser, and jealousy-driven ameteur
poster on several forums. Could be you are a guru-groupie. But how
could that be....I'm the #1 guru these days!"

You could find this type of comment from Singer about anyone that accepts basic mathematics and questions his methods. There have been dozens of examples. Read through the vp.com archives, or the LV advisor archives. The examples are endless.

You have presented his comment (above) out-of-context...it was obviously a response to something that you wrote about him.

Send the link where this early comment appeared, so we can get the whole story.

[arcimede$]

You have presented his comment (above) out-of-context...it was obviously a response to something that you wrote about him.

Send the link where this early comment appeared, so we can get the whole story.

It's 3 messages down from the link I gave you above. I thought you might be able to figure it out for yourself.

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/...s/messages/141

[coach belly]

Thanks for the link, which shows exactly what I suspected....you called him a "crook and a fake", to which he responded by calling you a cry-baby..etc.

> I see you can't help but continue to denigrate others. It really is
>a personality flaw with you. Personally, I know very little about
>Jean and the others you call gurus. However, everyone you choose to
>flame on these forums appear to conduct themselves with proper
>decorum. I think that alone is enough evidence to point out who is
>the "crook and a fake". It's you Rob!

This completely backs up what Rob wrote earlier

lets see you come up with one instance of someone RESPECTFULLY disagreeing with me on vp strategy or anything else I said and me come back and call them any of those aforementioned names prior to them either attacking me or lying about me.

[Alan Mendelson]

coach belly you missed my post. Rob called me an addicted gambler and used my divorces to frame me as a weak person with various problems and I didn't call him any names. I suggest that this is not the point to support Rob on.

[coach belly]

I suggest that this is not the point to support Rob on.

I understand, but I'm trying to get a handle on who are the liars, and name-callers around here.

Both sides obviously engage in name-calling, but it seems to generate from the anti-Singer group, and then Singer responds in kind.

Just read arcimede$'s snarky comments to me (and you), and you'll see how and where the anti-social behavior starts.

Ask arci a straightforward question, and he responds with something childish like "you lie" or "can you read?".

Anyway, the direction of this thread turned here...with this accusation...

In all the gambling forums you've participated in, and eventually got banned from, countless people have respectfully disagreed with you on video poker tactics. For being nice they got called morons, stupid, idiots, pathetic, degenerate, and a host of other disparaging terms by you

Rob responded with the following....

mickey lets see you come up with one instance of someone RESPECTFULLY disagreeing with me on vp strategy or anything else I said and me come back and call them any of those aforementioned names prior to them either attacking me or lying about me.

"gambling forums you've participated in, and eventually got banned from"

and

"aforementioned names" are the operative phrases.

They don't apply to you.

[Alan Mendelson]

I think this is a ridiculous discussion. Both sides are guilty and frankly I don't think you couldn't possibly find who spewed venom first.

Is there something more productive to discuss here?

[coach belly]

I think this is a ridiculous discussion. Both sides are guilty and frankly I don't think you couldn't possibly find who spewed venom first.

Is there something more productive to discuss here?

Here's where the trouble started in this thread about "Professional gambler deductions",
it was post #7

LOL! No bet. Do you really think I would divulge any information about myself to you? I've watched you operate for years. You take any and all information you have about someone, twist it around, and use it to disparage them. In the dinner thread you cried about all the people who called you a fraud. Who brought that on themselves. In all the gambling forums you've participated in, and eventually got banned from, countless people have respectfully disagreed with you on video poker tactics. For being nice they got called morons, stupid, idiots, pathetic, degenerate, and a host of other disparaging terms by you. Then you have the gall to say its not nice of them to call you a fraud? Get real, Rob. Some people fire back at you. Live by the sword die by the sword.

You added plenty of fuel to the fire, then I came aboard after getting called out here...

Now, where is belly boy to save the day?

So now it's ridiculous...whatever, I'm just trying to be fair...but it's your ball, and your clock, so you call time and it's over.

[Alan Mendelson]

coach belly has really opened my eyes and brought me back to reality.

This forum costs me time and money and frankly I get nothing from it. I can track the ad revenue and there is none from the forum. I don't need the web traffic the forum generates. After all, my business is a weekly TV show with paid content, plus the production of commercials and Infomercials. I do some consulting on the side for various companies including casino companies about marketing. My main website features information for my sponsors.

I'm not really sure how I got talked into starting the forum but it has only been a negative.

The forum is for sale and the price is cheap. If I don't get a buyer, I just might shut it down. Right now only my hosting company benefits because they get paid a small hosting fee each quarter.

Thanks coach belly.

[Rob.Singer]

Arci has started problems on every forum he's been involved in. His first goal is to locate me, then tell every lie he can think of since he's had a jealous hard-on for me from the moment he heard about RS. Then he can help himself as he exposes what a miserable life he's had by arguing nonsense with forum administrators and people who might display an intelligent level that challenges the heights of his love for himself. But in the end, as is the case for all the trolls, haters, hacks, and pretend artists everywhere, I got the best and last laugh as he was supremely punished for his despicable behavior. One final time: hahahahahahahaha!!!!!

Alan I would end this forum if I were the admin here.

[slobdinger]

Nope, I don't believe you've ever called me any names. But why lie about something so obvious as "divorced". If you're divorced, you're divorced. Are you now claiming you have never been divorced? And addicted gambler? That's a very accurate description of many people, including you. Why pretend it's just a name? I've admitted to being one in the past. Would I call myself a "name"?

Hey, everybody, call Gambler's Anonymous and ask them if they have ever heard of an addicted gambler who continues to gamble but is no longer addicted.

[slobdinger]

Rob claims that she attacked him first...constant complaints to his publisher.

Any reason not to assume that is true...that Jean Scott complained about Rob to his publisher?

I didn't read through the link you sent, is there anything else within that applies?

So you are obliging and mediating' eh, belly? You want me to prove my claims about Rob but here you cover for him with "Rob claims she attacked him first....constant complaining to his publisher. Any reason to assume that is not true?" Is that what you call mediating, belly? I have to prove my claims but Rob gets the benefit of the doubt? Get real, belly.

[coach belly]

So you are obliging and mediating' eh, belly? You want me to prove my claims about Rob but here you cover for him with "Rob claims she attacked him first....constant complaining to his publisher. Any reason to assume that is not true?" Is that what you call mediating, belly? I have to prove my claims but Rob gets the benefit of the doubt? Get real, belly.

Asking a question is not giving somebody the benefit of the doubt.

Do you have any reason to believe that Jean Scott did not complain to his publishers?

You accused Rob of unprovoked attacks on other forums, he challenged you to provide an example of that.

mickey lets see you come up with one instance of someone RESPECTFULLY disagreeing with me on vp strategy or anything else I said and me come back and call them any of those aforementioned names prior to them either attacking me or lying about me.

Have you provided any examples?

[slobdinger]

You have presented his comment (above) out-of-context...it was obviously a response to something that you wrote about him.

Send the link where this early comment appeared, so we can get the whole story.

There you go again, belly. Accusing arcimedes of attacking Singer first without any facts to back it up. I would say that your mediation skills are severely lacking but the truth is you don't have any at all.

[coach belly]

There you go again, belly. Accusing arcimedes of attacking Singer first without any facts to back it up.

I copied and pasted the following from the link that arci provided.

It shows that he attacked Rob first...he called Rob a "crook & a fake".

BTW...why did he call him a crook? Here's the quote again...

> I see you can't help but continue to denigrate others. It really is
>a personality flaw with you. Personally, I know very little about
>Jean and the others you call gurus. However, everyone you choose to
>flame on these forums appear to conduct themselves with proper
>decorum. I think that alone is enough evidence to point out who is
>the "crook and a fake". It's you Rob!

[slobdinger]

Asking a question is not giving somebody the benefit of the doubt.

Do you have any reason to believe that Jean Scott did not complain to his publishers?

You accused Rob of unprovoked attacks on other forums, he challenged you to provide an example of that.



Have you provided any examples?

Have you provided any examples of your mediation skills? Yes, I have a ton of proof that Jean Scott did not complain to his publisher. You see, Rob Singer is the one that said she did. That's all the proof one needs. His track record in the gambling forums is he is a known liar. The boy would rather climb to the top of a tree to tell a lie than stand on the ground and tell the truth.

He's great at muddying up the situation so that newcomers to the forums, like you, might not see the Truth. Why do you think he was banned from LVA Sports, by Anthony Curtis himself, Wizard of Vegas, by Michael Shackleford himself, vpFREE, FREEvpFREE, Video poker.com, Vegas Rex? Banned from all these forums but you can't see the pattern of his behavior? Do you think he was banned from all these forums because
other people were attacking him? Hell no, it was the other way around. And Alan didn't suspend him from this site. He banned him. He just later lifted the bans.

And I'm not going to waste my time digging around the archives to provide examples to a biased person trying to pass himself off as a mediator.

[coach belly]

And I'm not going to waste my time digging around the archives to provide examples to a biased person trying to pass himself off as a mediator.

If you publicly call someone a liar, then you should provide some proof that he has lied....that's only fair.

Rob has been called a liar, I asked "what are the lies?"....that's not biased.

Nobody has provided proof of his lies...not on this forum anyway.

Since he is widely known to be a liar because of what he has written on gambling forums,
then it should be easy to provide proof of a lie that he wrote somewhere.

But OK you don't have time to do that...whatever.

Why was mickey crimm banned all over the gambling forums?

[slobdinger]

I copied and pasted the following from the link that arci provided.

It shows that he attacked Rob first...he called Rob a "crook & a fake".

BTW...why did he call him a crook? Here's the quote again...

> I see you can't help but continue to denigrate others. It really is
>a personality flaw with you. Personally, I know very little about
>Jean and the others you call gurus. However, everyone you choose to
>flame on these forums appear to conduct themselves with proper
>decorum. I think that alone is enough evidence to point out who is
>the "crook and a fake". It's you Rob!

Inspector Clouseau, er, belly. You need to go back farther than that in the archives to find who attacked who first.

[slobdinger]

If you publicly call someone a liar, then you should provide some proof that he has lied....that's only fair.

Rob has been called a liar, I asked "what are the lies?"....that's not biased.

Nobody has provided proof of his lies...not on this forum anyway.

Since he is widely known to be a liar because of what he has written on gambling forums,
then it should be easy to provide proof of a lie that he wrote somewhere.

But OK you don't have time to do that...whatever.?

One example. On LVA Sports Rob made a long post on how he was in Hawaii on an extended vacation, a perk of his gambling success. He was bragging about the tan he was getting and all the relaxation. Not long after he posted the owner of LVA, Anthony Curtis posted that he traced the IP address and Rob's post came from Arizona. Now if you want to do a proper investigation of whether this is true or not then go to the LVA Sports archives and read it yourself. Don't ask me to go to the archives and pull stuff out if you are not willing to do it yourself. It's right there for the whole world to see.