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  1. #1
    It's time to get it nailed down....or it's time to call it a day. That would be up to arci.

    He has 2 choices: Send in his form 4506 for 7 years, or send it in for 10, and as required by Alan, I will do the same once he submits appropriate proof-of-receipt. I have no interest in showing Alan only 1 or 2 years (what's he hiding anyway?), there's no sense in making multiple submissions, and I will not waste my or anyone else's time with any of that foolishness. And besides, here's his GOLDEN OPPORTUNITY to prove what a VP-Brute he's been by mugging the casinos with AP play for so many years, and his chance to prove to the world how I've been lying about winning so much over the years. WHY would he not want to do this??

    So arci, show some balls. Don't let everyone think you're full of it. Don't let me "off the hook"! I'm begging you to try and make me look stupid!! And Alan, don't try to help the poor guy with alterations, by re-writing history, or by using some of your famous selective interpretations, and please refrain from trying to soften the blow with a pile of weak excuses for him. It is what it is.

    This is a YES or NO-GO question. No changes will be accepted by me. Ever. And no, I will not help you change your diaper.

    Final answer?

  2. #2
    Actually, what you wrote is not appropriate. We should hear from Arc what he believes is appropriate. It is possible you are demanding something that the IRS cannot provide. I have not researched this yet, but I looked at form 4506 and it says:

    Copies of Forms 1040, 1040A, and 1040EZ are generally available for 7 years from filing before they are
    destroyed by law. Other returns may be available for a longer period of time. Enter only one return number. If you need more than one
    type of return, you must complete another Form 4506.


    Please note the phrase about destroying older tax returns.

  3. #3
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Actually, what you wrote is not appropriate. We should hear from Arc what he believes is appropriate.
    Wow, you don't even give arci the chance to respond before putting the kibosh on.

    Rob's proposal is pretty straightforward...let them request 7 years of forms...what's not appropriate?

  4. #4
    Hey coach: stick with what I said. We should hear from Arc what he believes is appropriate. Rob Singer doesn't make the rules. BOTH of them have to decide what to send me, or else Rob will make up his own requirements and nothing will be sent to me.

    Rob starting a new thread with his "final opportunity" is not appropriate. Period.

  5. #5
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Hey coach: stick with what I said.

    With all due respect...perhaps YOU should stick with what you said.


    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Rob Singer... Will you present your tax information to prove your claims? If no, simply say no. If yes, under what conditions?

    The proverbial ball is in your court Rob. Either say you will and the conditions necessary, or simply say you won't to put an end to the soap opera.

    You asked...he answered...so now who is the one keeping the soap opera going?

  6. #6
    Unfortunately you still didn't give Arc a chance to respond. So far only Arc has said he will send me his tax returns. Rob is only saying he will send me a tax return if I provide proof that Arc has done it first.

    In the meantime, Rob is saying Arc has to spend $350 and only then will Rob respond.

    Frankly, I think that's a bad deal for Arc.

    Perhaps Rob should send me a check for $350 as "escrow money" made out to Arc (real name of course) just in case Rob backs out after Arc spends that $350.

    Or, coach, maybe you would like to send me that $350 escrow on behalf of Rob since you have so much faith in him?

  7. #7
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Unfortunately you still didn't give Arc a chance to respond.
    Alan...please...YOU are the one who hasn't given arc a chance to respond.

    You asked for Rob's conditions...let's at least hear from arc instead before you start advocating against them.

  8. #8
    Well, let's see. We can get 2011-2014 with form 4506T and do it online so the request gets handled immediately. We can request, using 4506, the years 2008-2010. This gets us all the years that are available. I'm ready. I've already printed off form 4506 and can fill it out in a few minutes and mail it out tomorrow. I can fill out 4506T tonight.

    Now watch Singer refuse.
    Last edited by arcimede$; 12-15-2015 at 07:49 PM.

  9. #9
    Originally Posted by arcimede$ View Post
    We can get 2011-2014 with form 4506T...I can fill out 4506T tonight.

    Now watch Singer refuse.
    Once again, you have your foot on Singer's throat and you let him up.

    He says "send returns only"...you counter with "I'll send transcripts".

    If you send returns...even just agree to send returns...it's checkmate.

    Since you are willing to send transcripts, then why not just send your returns and be done with it?

  10. #10
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    Once again, you have your foot on Singer's throat and you let him up.

    He says "send returns only"...you counter with "I'll send transcripts".

    If you send returns...even just agree to send returns...it's checkmate.

    Since you are willing to send transcripts, then why not just send your returns and be done with it?
    Why would anyone care whether Alan gets returns or a transcript? It's the exact same information. Not only that but it takes much longer to go through the process to get a copy of the return. This is all a smoke screen for Singer to hide behind. I love it that he makes this so obvious. Since I already know he will NEVER send Alan his returns, I just love watching him make a complete fool out of himself.

  11. #11
    Coach please explain to me why "transcripts" coming from the IRS are not sufficient but the full returns must be sent?

    Transcripts cost nothing. Full returns are $50 each.

    Since there is no money at stake in this "challenge" I can't understand why anyone should spend $50 for each return. And with 7 returns that would be $350.

    Frankly, I would hate to see Arc spend $350 first without a guarantee Rob was going to spend the same $350.

  12. #12
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Coach please explain to me why "transcripts" coming from the IRS are not sufficient but the full returns must be sent?
    I don't know the difference between transcripts and returns, but what I do know is this...

    If the goal is to see Rob Singer's proof that he has been a winning VP player, then his conditions are that tax returns be sent...not transcripts.

    It's as simple as that...if you want Rob's proof, then arci sends his returns, and Rob must do the same or be humiliated.

    This sticking point on transcripts is obfuscation...you 2 (Alan & arcimede$) are stalling.

    Agree to send the returns, then send the returns as per Rob's conditions, and this all ends quickly.

    Keep futzing around and it goes on and on.

    Regarding the $350...Rob's terms imply a guarantee that he would spend the same.

    How could he get the returns sent to you without paying the fee?
    Last edited by coach belly; 12-15-2015 at 09:34 PM.

  13. #13
    Transcripts contain the exact same information as the tax form. All the stuff one enters in a form is entered into a data base at the IRS. The transcript can access the data base and retrieve that information. It is much faster and has been automated which is why they do it at no change.

    The only reason Singer is pushing for the tax forms is because he knows he will never submit the forms and he wants me to waste my money. I'm willing to do that up to a point, but now I find it more fun to let Singer/belly argue that a slower, more expensive way of getting the exact same information is better. Stupid is as stupid does.

  14. #14
    Why not set up a simple RTT session with $5,000 bankroll or so and set up a $350 win goal to take care of this once and for all?

  15. #15
    Originally Posted by arcimede$ View Post
    The only reason Singer is pushing for the tax forms is because he knows he will never submit the forms and he wants me to waste my money. I'm willing to do that up to a point, but now I find it more fun to let Singer/belly argue that a slower, more expensive way of getting the exact same information is better.
    Exactly what I pointed out earlier...you're stalling.

    Have fun being a phony, but sooner or later you'll have to explain why you didn't expose Rob Singer once and for all when you had the chance.

    As it turns out...you couldn't afford it.

  16. #16
    Originally Posted by arcimede$ View Post
    Transcripts contain the exact same information as the tax form. All the stuff one enters in a form is entered into a data base at the IRS. The transcript can access the data base and retrieve that information. It is much faster and has been automated which is why they do it at no change.

    The only reason Singer is pushing for the tax forms is because he knows he will never submit the forms and he wants me to waste my money. I'm willing to do that up to a point, but now I find it more fun to let Singer/belly argue that a slower, more expensive way of getting the exact same information is better. Stupid is as stupid does.
    I kinda agree with this to a certain degree. Why should Arc spend $350 without a guarantee that Rob will send in his $350 for the same tax year tax returns? While I don't doubt Rob's good intentions, I have to be fair about this, and fair means to both parties.

    So far we have coach belly with nothing at stake -- no bragging rights, and no money -- telling us to follow Rob's rules. As I said before, perhaps coach would like to put up $350 as security for Rob.

    I only want this to be fair.

  17. #17
    Final opportunity for what? Rob has the opportunity here to prove to the world that he is not a fraud. And this opportunity is not dependent on conditions (what someone else does). C'mon, Rob. Prove you're not a fake. Just deliver your returns to Alan without any conditions immediately. Forget about Arci. Prove to us all, especially your fan, belly, that you are not a fake. Remember this, Rob. If you don't deliver the goods, for whatever phony reasons you use, most of us will continue to believe you are fake.

  18. #18
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    As I said before, perhaps coach would like to put up $350 as security for Rob.

    I only want this to be fair.
    I'll consider it...but please explain how that would be fair to me.

    I would think that there are plenty of anti-Singers out there willing to help reimburse arcimede$ for the cost of finally exposing Rob Singer.

    Isn't there a bounty of some sort for that?....$350 seems reasonable.

  19. #19
    Originally Posted by slobdinger View Post
    Just deliver your returns to Alan without any conditions immediately. Forget about Arci.
    That would be the simple thing for Rob to do if he really wanted to prove himself. Why does he need a challenge from anyone? If I was handling his marketing and booking TV appearances for a book tour, or a publicity campaign for his school or website, I would have copies of his tax returns sent out to the bookers of all the networks and TV stations and newspapers, etc., to show them he's the real deal.

  20. #20
    Originally Posted by slobdinger View Post
    most of us will continue to believe you are fake.
    Just as we will about arcimede$...and just as we will about you.

    C'mon, mickey. Prove you're not a fake. Just deliver your returns to Alan without any conditions immediately. Forget about Singer. Prove to us all that you are not a fake. Remember this, if you don't deliver the goods, for whatever phony reasons you use, most of us will continue to believe you are fake.

    Amen.

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