New VP game idea: Monster Jackpot Bonus Poker

[Alan Mendelson]

Be careful with whom you attack and whom you support there -- as Alan has been preaching how important 0.06% is to him. I was trying to convince him 0.06% is such a tiny amount, you shouldn't even worry about it. (It's less than ONE four of a kind on $5 BP, over the course of $1M coin in.)

I asked you before to post the link to where I was preaching how important 0.06% is. Please do it. I am not familiar with this. If I were, then yes, I would be playing 9/6 Jacks instead of 8/5 Bonus.

Second time you made this comment.

[slobdinger]

For the record I wasn't criticizing Alan's play. I was just showing the math of the situation. Lenny Frome published a strategy he called the "royal buster" strategy for those who didn't care about long term payback.

[RS__]

I asked you before to post the link to where I was preaching how important 0.06% is. Please do it. I am not familiar with this. If I were, then yes, I would be playing 9/6 Jacks instead of 8/5 Bonus.

Second time you made this comment.

http://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/showth...emain-for-2016

That entire thread.

[Alan Mendelson]

http://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/showth...emain-for-2016

That entire thread.

You are a very confused young man. That thread was about getting tier points and reward credits for playing video poker games that gave points for $10 vs $25 per point.

You introduced some silly discussion involving return on games which had nothing to do with what Dan and I were discussing.

Frankly, I never even discussed what you were talking about. And through the thread I questioned why you were even raising it?

[RS__]

Your big grief about $10 vs $25 per point is a difference in 0.06% return.

I hope this doesn't take 55 pages and 4 threads for you to realize that.

[Alan Mendelson]

Your big grief about $10 vs $25 per point is a difference in 0.06% return.

I hope this doesn't take 55 pages and 4 threads for you to realize that.

No. And Dan made it very clear what we are talking about, and it is not a difference in a 0.06% return.

It's playing $10 per point, or $25 per point -- and that is not a difference of 0.06%.

Stop trolling.

[redietz]

This will be interesting. The "rebate" that comes in the form of tier points represents a very small percentage of coin in. If one acknowledges that it is all one system, then the difference in tier rewards can legitimately be held up to and compared with differing video poker return schedules. This puts a mathematical figure to the costs of earning tier points and highlights the rather frightening ratio of loss to benefits.

To me, this seems an unflinching reality. But I have interacted with people who refuse to put all of the measuring cups in one measuring table because then their commitment to CET becomes tarnished by the required acknowledgement that video poker at CET properties sucks and one should play elsewhere.

Now what I just said seems to me reasonable and obvious. But the responses should be verrrryyy interesting.

I am familiar with an analogous situation. A particular offshore offers cashback ranging from .4 percent to .8 percent plus other benefits that vary by kind and volume of action. I am amazed at the obsessive commitment and debate regarding how to accrue these benefits.

[jbjb]

Apparently there's a 25¢ 50/10/6 DDB at one of the bars at Paris.

[Alan Mendelson]

This will be interesting. The "rebate" that comes in the form of tier points represents a very small percentage of coin in.

We weren't talking about "rebates" or the value of rebates or anything else. We were talking about the coin-in required for 7 Stars.

And it is true -- the cash back and free play that is very much ballyhooed here is usually only about 1% of your coin-in... if you're lucky.

Why anyone makes a big deal out of it amazes me. On a typical Vegas trip I have a budget of about $5,000. These days I'm lucky to get $300 of free play. The "reward credits" I earn might be worth a hundred bucks or so. If I had to rely on free play and casino bonuses it wouldn't be worth my while to go to Vegas.

Which is why I go for the fun of it, and if I get lucky, I get lucky.

It's nice to get lucky.

[jbjb]

At that amount, it was a 99.2051% return. Not to shabby.

[Rob.Singer]

Nope--that one's over a 1000% return. Calculating return before playing is for armchair players only.

Why? Because IT DOESN'T MATTER.

[jbjb]

And I suppose he's up 1000% lifetime? Oh wait, he's not. He's admitted he's a lifetime loser at VP. Try again. That 1000% return dealt royal is factored into the full 99.20%

[Rob.Singer]

That's because he doesn't plan ahead. I'm up over 500%. I do.

[Dan Druff]

Apparently there's a 25¢ 50/10/6 DDB at one of the bars at Paris.

A positive return VP machine at Paris?

That's hard to believe.

Of course, at 25c, you're not going to earn many tier credits anyway.

[jbjb]

A positive return VP machine at Paris?

That's hard to believe.

Of course, at 25c, you're not going to earn many tier credits anyway.

Someone posted a picture of it on WoV. And not everyone, including me, cares about tier credits. We only care about making money.

[Dan Druff]

Someone posted a picture of it on WoV. And not everyone, including me, cares about tier credits. We only care about making money.

So you really think it's worth your while to sit and play a 25c VP machine at barely over 100% return -- at a bar, no less?

That sounds like a foolish AP play. I guess it's fine if you like bar video poker, but I think I'd rather work at McDonald's than spend hours playing that machine at 25c, and McDonald's would probably be more lucrative.

[jbjb]

Has nothing to do with any AP play. But if I'm going to play DDB, I'd rather play that one than some other lower paying game.

Personally, I wouldn't waste my full day on any AP VP when table games are light years ahead in profitability.

[Boygenius]

I'd rather work at McDonald's than spend hours playing that machine at 25c, and McDonald's would probably be more lucrative.

Wow! That's so funny you say that Todd. Since your self entitled silver spoon fed ass does not even work. Add to that how you belittle the working class people of the world. They wouldn't even hire your autistic ass at McDonald's. So no need to speculate like you always do in your fantasy world.

[slobdinger]

Wow! That's so funny you say that Todd. Since your self entitled silver spoon fed ass does not even work. Add to that how you belittle the working class people of the world. They wouldn't even hire your autistic ass at McDonald's. So no need to speculate like you always do in your fantasy world.

10/6 DDB is essentially a breakeven game that carries huge variance. There would have to be a good promotion going on to get me to play it. And Paris is not the type of place that has decent promotions. I'm not saying "don't play it." To each his own. But from my perspective, an AP, the game would be a waste of time and I would be putting my money through all kinds of gyrations for nothing. Meanwhile there is something better going on somewhere else.