The shooter at Caesars who threw an 11 eighteen times in a row.

[Alan Mendelson]

Most of my vulture plays are nickel and dime stuff unfortunately. I'd love for them all to be $1+

Nothing wrong with making a good play and winning. You should hang out at Caesars. Once I was playing video poker in the "small dome" (one of the high limit areas) and I get a tap on my shoulder. It was a player who was playing Ultimate X on the kiosk behind me. He said he ran out of money and pointed to the screen. It was a three-play game showing multipliers. He said "do you want to play this?" I politely said "no thanks" and continued at my game.

Now, I have to admit I didn't know what the game was, and I had no idea what it meant to have multipliers left on the screens. After I learned about these leftover multipliers I've looked for them and yes, they show up at the $1 and $2 machines at Caesars. But I still don't play them because when I see them it's because another player is rushing to take the seat and the sight of them rushing to the seat is what gets my attention.

So yes, they are out there.

[jbjb]

Harrah's has the most of these but they are awfully slow to cycle though. And I wouldn't expect you to play that way anyhow. That doesn't mean you shouldn't pick them off when you see them. Especially the large ones on highs denominations.

But to keep this on track. Whether you saw the 18 in a row or are mistaken somehow. Who cares what others think.

[slobdinger]

There is only one true son of a bitch in the gambling games. That's me. Every one else is a fake son of a bitch.

[Alan Mendelson]

But to keep this on track. Whether you saw the 18 in a row or are mistaken somehow. Who cares what others think.

Absolutely correct. I don't care what they think. And they simply could have said "I don't believe it."

I've told others about it and they said "I don't believe it," and that was the end of it.

It's the insults that I walked away from over there.

There's no reason for me to lie about it, or even to discuss it if it weren't true. I'm not impressing anybody by saying I was at the table when someone shot it. I didn't win any money. I'm not selling anything. So why attack me? If you don't believe it just say so. That's all.

One of the WOV forum members met me at Rincon about a year ago and we had lunch there. And we talked about it -- what happened at the craps table. He also told me he didn't believe it. But he didn't say I was delusional or had a personality disorder, or that I lied.

For some reason, if you say something at the WOV that certain people disagree with they won't simply say they disagree with you -- they'll pound you into the ground.

In another discussion on the WOV forum I suggested an odd/even bet for dice and said that the "boxmen" at Caesars could handle that if they still had boxmen. Immediately one of the WOV forum members attacked me for saying that there were no boxmen at Caesars -- a casino where they book $50,000 bets at craps. Yes -- i got blasted for making that statement. But the truth is there have not been boxmen at Caesars for about 8 years. And the "expert" at the WOV forum who blasted me, it turns out, hasn't been to Caesars in years and years.

Experts. Ya know.

[redietz]

I have occasionally been criticized because I play just 25 cent or 50 cent vp, but let me explain the difficulty I have taking some of the WOV people seriously. If you're playing 5 cent or 10 cent video poker, or betting $10 parlay cards, well, there's nothing wrong with that, but you shouldn't really be telling other people how to play if they are playing for stakes with real consequences and you are not.

Playing for stakes that make a real difference takes you to a different stress level, and negotiating, managing, and coping with stress levels and consequences requires an array of skills and personality characteristics beyond and in addition to those skills and personal characteristics necessary to strategically and mathematically master a game with minimal consequences.

Performance usually varies along a stress axis with the usual bell curve. If you always stay in the bottom half of that axis when you play, you really have no idea what it's like to exist in the upper half.

I don't want to put words in Alan's mouth, but that's the issue I have when small stakes textbook players lecture experienced players who gamble with consequence.

[jbjb]

I never tell anyone how to play. And if my neighbor asks for advice on a particular hand, whether machines or tables, I'll give the best advice I know with the disclaimer "but play it anyway you see fit."

[Alan Mendelson]

that's the issue I have when small stakes textbook players lecture experienced players who gamble with consequence.

I have to agree with that.

But if people know so much about gambling why aren't they using that knowledge and playing for higher stakes? If their knowledge tells them that all gambling is bad -- then they shouldn't be playing at all, including low stakes.

One thing I learned from the NEWS BUSINESS was that you really can't argue with the people who are there DOING it. I learned this when I was a young Assignment Editor at CBS in New York. The rule there was never to second-guess the reporters and the producers covering the stories because they were there. Those of us back in the office could not tell them what was going on -- they were telling us.

I ran into that same problem years later when I was working at WTVJ in Miami. I went with a camera crew to Galveston, Texas to cover Hurricane Alicia. We got to Galveston -- an island off the coast of Houston -- a few hours before the storm hit. As the storm was hitting Galveston and there were high winds and heavy rain, I got a phone call from my boss in Miami who said "drive to Houston to cover the storm there." And I said "if we drive to Houston we will drown. The causeways are flooding." I knew the causeways were flooding because I was there -- and the bosses back in Miami were reading wire reports that weren't current.

Edited to add: We got into a fight on the phone -- a real yelling match with my boss ordering me to go with the guys and drive to Houston -- and I hung up on my boss. I knew I was right and we would straighten it out later. I was right and we straightened it out later.

So it is with gambling. You can Monday Morning Quarterback or you could have your feet on the ground or your money on the table.

[Alan Mendelson]

I never tell anyone how to play. And if my neighbor asks for advice on a particular hand, whether machines or tables, I'll give the best advice I know with the disclaimer "but play it anyway you see fit."

I do something similar. But the phrase I use is "the book says to do this..."

[jbjb]

I do something similar. But the phrase I use is "the book says to do this..."

I don't use the "book" reference. Especially at tables. It makes you look smart when we want them to think we're dumb.

http://beyondnumbers.lvablog.com/201...rds-that-hurt/

[slobdinger]

I'm ten times double tough than you. I'm an old street tramp. A thumb bum from hell. A train rider from hell. I've lived ten times harder than you. What did you think I would turn out to be in the gambling world? All those times this tramp got kicked in the teeth by society. Fuck you assholes. You can all kiss my winning gambling ass

[Alan Mendelson]

I don't use the "book" reference. Especially at tables. It makes you look smart when we want them to think we're dumb.

http://beyondnumbers.lvablog.com/201...rds-that-hurt/

That's a very interesting article. Thanks for posting that.

It reminded me of when I was thrown out of NYNY for winning at craps and setting my dice. (Yes, they actually took the dice away from me.) The boxman and dealers were telling me not to set the dice and I said to them "you don't believe that dice setting stuff do you? I do it just out of superstition." But it didn't work.

[Alan Mendelson]

The latest on the WOV forum from the poster known as "Wizardofnothing":

"Wizard I think Alan should lose the no insult protection as he has gone on record creating this same thread in his forum more or less insulting everyone on this forum"

Who am I insulting? All I said is that I was attacked unfairly. And the attacks were using these words:

"schizophrenia" "lying" "some form of mental illness" "delusion" "dishonest"

[slobdinger]

I came in on the rails. But I ain't leaving on the rails.

[redietz]

Alan, I'd let the WOV stuff go. Many of the posters there get off thinking they know everything, and collectively, they probably don't have three doctorates between them.

Slob, I don't know much about riding the rails, but I have 35,000 Amtrak points and I'm looking forward to using them. No sleeper cars, though, that would make me soft. That was a joke.

[dannyj]

It's two below in Great Falls tonite. But guess what. In a pool game I'll shoot every hair off your faces. Rack 'em up.

Mickey, I'm sure Great Falls is pretty good haul from the Canadian border, but I was wondering if Canadian casinos have any interest to you or if you have any experience there.

P.S.
My wife and I would like to take a drive and explore places in northern Idaho and northwestern montana this spring. Any suggestions? Thanks.

[dannyj]

Unfortunately no one made a dime from it happening. This was not on a come-out roll. 18 yo's in a row and not one of the three of us had a bet on it.

Yes, the odds are astronomical. My issue is that no one threw even a dollar on it after a half dozen (or fewer) rolls. You know the old adage when a number that you're not on repeats, "I know how to stop that".

[redietz]

So, Alan, did any of you standing there utter words like, "I really should bet this, or I'm gonna feel really stupid," after the fourth or fifth in a row?

[Alan Mendelson]

So, Alan, did any of you standing there utter words like, "I really should bet this, or I'm gonna feel really stupid," after the fourth or fifth in a row?

There's a superstition in craps that after the third horn number the shooter will seven out. After four or five elevens I was hoping he would throw a "good number" and would not seven out. The shooter and his pal were young guys with a passline bet and I think a 6 or 8. They weren't betting all over the table and only had maybe $40 in their rails.

[aceofspades]

I stand with you Alan.

[Alan Mendelson]

I stand with you Alan.

Thank you and thanks for joining us.

To be honest, I don't care if people believe me or not. What I do care about is being treated with a level of respect. It's okay to say to me "I don't believe it," but don't call me names or belittle me.