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  1. #101
    [QUOTE=Rob.Singer;86396]
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Before commenting further, I'm going to open the floor to blackhole, coach belly, and Mr. Mendelson, all of whom have presumably had to zero out large W2Gs. Mr. Mendelson appears to follow the letter of the law, so I'm assuming he does what Jean Scott, Bob Dancer, and the IRS guidelines suggest when it comes to gambling and federal taxes.

    I'll give these folks a crack at theorizing why Rob studiously avoids any mention of proof of losses.

    Meanwhile, mickeycrimm pointed out another major issue with the myth. Rob, after years of losing, basically took a 60% pay cut or thereabouts to pursue his "professional video poker" career. Right out of the shoot, more or less. After years of losing. Very ballsy. Or insane. Or a myth. You know, my late wife took a 30% pay cut from the military to teach at a university, and 30% ain't no small thing. I honestly do not know anyone else who took that kind of pay cut, except Rob, who evidently took a much larger pay cut "on spec."

    While that may be hard to understand, let's get back to the zeroing out of the W2Gs and the IRS protocols for doing that. I'm sure blackhole, coach belly, and Mr. Mendelson understand some of the problems with Rob's stories.
    It'll be my pleasure to help redietz and mickey look like dumb & dumber.


    I'll briefly address Rob's misdirection and general idiocy here.

    Whatever he's claiming I said in the post above, I never said. I frame things probabilistically. Even a blind squirrel and all that. It's a probabilistic world. Originally, I believed "Singer" regarding his claims of winning. What I took issue with was his insistence that his "systems" would work going forward. I have no idea if he won what he claims or not, and it's not terribly important to me. People win the lottery every day. I have no issues with lottery winners unless they claim they have systems that will win going forward.

    Now here is why probability comes into play. Let's presume that "Singer" has followers and trainees, as he claims. Well, if he has a handful, or dozens, or hundreds, then very quickly we get into the realm of probability theory holding up that the aggregate of the people playing his "systems" are going to lose. There is no way to sidestep that. One can argue that this individual or that, playing a limited number of hands, can tiptoe through the raindrops of probability and wind up having won lifetime. There is no way an aggregate of trainees and fans can do the same. It defies probability. So if one lumps Jerry Logan and pahrump and slingshot and Argentino and presumably all of his trainees together, the systems are a loser in the aggregate. That is reality.

    Now let's move on to the whole tax credibility issue. "Singer" still seems at a loss to address his proof of losses, which he'd need to have both for his "non-professional" filing years (to zero out his W2Gs) and his allegedly "professional" filing years, so as to claim expenses. He needs to have kept a daily log of his gambling. Probably a good idea to hang onto those casino win/loss statements also. Now the problem with those logs, if he actually kept them, is that they would reveal a different player profile than what he presents as his myth. Those logs would show number of hands played, hours played, and so on. He (and we, if he shared them) would know how many four of a kinds he hit in how many hands and other revealing details.

    As to the casino win/loss statements. I don't know how all casinos work, but I can tell you that most offshores keep those records in perpetuity, both so they can profile and data-mine you. I see no reason the brick-and-mortars wouldn't hang onto those statements, also. Be that as it may, you can probably see where I'm going with this. In lieu of tax returns, "Singer" could have simply shared his amazing personal gambling logs and casino win/loss statements with Alan versus arci's tax returns. I can't see "Singer" tossing his personal logs into the fire after x number of years had passed, can you?

    Anyway, as time has passed, I have become less convinced "Singer" was ahead what he has claimed. It doesn't much matter. What matters is that his systems' followers, as an aggregate, cannot win going forward as a group. That's all that matters. Do I really think he has a $1.5 million RV sitting in South Dakota that can never be driven anywhere? No, I don't, but that's not a big deal, and it's just my opinion. Do I think he hangs out in Laughlin because it's cheap? Yeah, but that's just my opinion.

    What matters is the math.

    As to "Singer's" psychotic viciousness -- I'd laugh about the crack regarding my wife "killing herself," but that would be inappropriate. My wife fought long and hard and bravely, and we tried to do the right thing by going both to NIH and UAB and participating in experimental treatments so as to pave a path. I realized that "Singer" saying something like that was in character, but still very odd. Why would someone even go there? And then I realized -- arci had always emphasized "Singer's" projecting.

    Of course it hit me -- Rob's wife might have had some issues, probably with his gambling. Very deep, upsetting issues. And I'll leave it at that. There's probably a reason "Singer's" wife doesn't post here or anywhere. Probably a reason she looks so unhappy in the various photos he's posted.
    Last edited by redietz; 04-09-2019 at 02:47 PM.

  2. #102
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Those logs would show number of hands played, hours played, and so on. He (and we, if he shared them) would know how many four of a kinds he hit in how many hands and other revealing details.
    Are those VP logs expected to show that much detail?...how many quads he hit?

    LOL...I've never heard that before.

    Are you sure you're not confusing our IRS rules with the tax rules on your home planet?

  3. #103
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Those logs would show number of hands played, hours played, and so on. He (and we, if he shared them) would know how many four of a kinds he hit in how many hands and other revealing details.
    Are those VP logs expected to show that much detail?...how many quads he hit?

    LOL...I've never heard that before.

    Are you sure you're not confusing our IRS rules with the tax rules on your home planet?
    Dearest coach, any pithy questions for Rob? I'm sure you're frothing at the proverbial bit to quiz him. I mean, really, that's the best you could do with my post above? That's the best, most insightful, most meaningful question you came up with? Cmon, man, you can do better. I'll coach you, if that helps. I'll even "coach belly" you.

    For example, here's a gotcha. Yes, since "Singer's" systems rely on particular hands, most of which are quads, to close a "session," I'd actually expect some notation regarding the reaching of session "win goals."

    Now, not everyone keeps those kinds of notes. But not everyone is using a "Singer system" where particular hands at particular stakes close a "session" and end all playing for a day.

    Now let's see, coach, are you capable of asking "Singer" a hard question? You know, a gotcha question? Or no, can't you do that?

  4. #104
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    That's the best, most insightful, most meaningful question you came up with?
    I'm asking them one at a time, ditz.

    You typically answer zero at a time, so I never move on to the next question.

    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    not everyone keeps those kinds of notes.
    Does anyone keep those kind of notes?

    Number of hands played, hours played, how many four of a kinds he hit in how many hands and other revealing details?

    Where did you come up with all that?

    Other revealing details? Such as what?

  5. #105
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    playing slightly -EV games over ANY amount of time can indeed, mathematically, produce a winner, just as anyone playing slightly +EV games can produce a loser.
    Wise up.
    So how do casinos make money then ?

  6. #106
    redietz, A thoughtful post, here are a few thoughts back your way for what their worth.

    "Originally, I believed "Singer" regarding his claims of winning".
    This is a good place to start. You've been here a long time, you have a lot of history with "Singer" and his systems. I've just dropped in. I'm new. Am I allowed right here, right now to be where you once were? Doesn't seem like it.

    " I have no idea if he won what he claims or not, and it's not terribly important to me."
    Yours and my sentiment.

    What I took issue with was his insistence that his "systems" would work going forward.
    Excellent distinction. This is the debate.

    "Let's presume that "Singer" has followers and trainees, as he claims"
    I am certainly not a trainee, and I don't care for the word follower but I'm more than interested in what he has been saying. That's for sure. I don't use his system.
    I think legitimate card counters in BJ are tops, but lets expand the pool of card counters to trainee's and wannabes who bungle the job, lose the count, get flustered and get tossed. The reality now is the system is a loser too. That is reality also.

    [B]"Now let's move on to the whole tax credibility issue"
    I get it.

    "Anyway, as time has passed, I have become less convinced "Singer" was ahead what he has claimed. It doesn't much matter. What matters is that his systems' followers, as an aggregate, cannot win going forward as a group. That's all that matters"
    Maybe he won it, but not ahead by it. Ok. Maybe the "followers" only really wants to improve their game. Stem the losses. Have better days. But that's not encouraged around here on a gambling forum. Strange.
    "What matters is the math"
    I followed a 3 digit daily number on paper. Interesting. Odds are 1 in a thousand. Every 1000 days, 2.7 years (in theory of course). It took over 9000 days to hit. Over 24 years. That's the bad side of the math. That's a long time to wait for justice. Someone on the board said wait till you watch a royal miss for 10 cycles. Yikes! That's a big hole to fall into.
    ""Singer's" psychotic viciousness"
    This board has a tough crew. No doubt. If you're cruel he will be unnecessarily cruel.

    I'll skip the actual arguments I've read kicking through the archives. Singer Verses the World.
    You've read them also. You go your way I'll go mine. He makes so much sense to me.
    I'm sorry if you've had real personal pain in your life. I've experience it. So many of us have. So many people have no knowledge of real pain.

  7. #107
    Originally Posted by pahrump pete View Post
    redietz, A thoughtful post, here are a few thoughts back your way for what their worth.

    "Originally, I believed "Singer" regarding his claims of winning".
    This is a good place to start. You've been here a long time, you have a lot of history with "Singer" and his systems. I've just dropped in. I'm new. Am I allowed right here, right now to be where you once were? Doesn't seem like it.

    " I have no idea if he won what he claims or not, and it's not terribly important to me."
    Yours and my sentiment.

    What I took issue with was his insistence that his "systems" would work going forward.
    Excellent distinction. This is the debate.

    "Let's presume that "Singer" has followers and trainees, as he claims"
    I am certainly not a trainee, and I don't care for the word follower but I'm more than interested in what he has been saying. That's for sure. I don't use his system.
    I think legitimate card counters in BJ are tops, but lets expand the pool of card counters to trainee's and wannabes who bungle the job, lose the count, get flustered and get tossed. The reality now is the system is a loser too. That is reality also.

    [B]"Now let's move on to the whole tax credibility issue"
    I get it.

    "Anyway, as time has passed, I have become less convinced "Singer" was ahead what he has claimed. It doesn't much matter. What matters is that his systems' followers, as an aggregate, cannot win going forward as a group. That's all that matters"
    Maybe he won it, but not ahead by it. Ok. Maybe the "followers" only really wants to improve their game. Stem the losses. Have better days. But that's not encouraged around here on a gambling forum. Strange.
    "What matters is the math"
    I followed a 3 digit daily number on paper. Interesting. Odds are 1 in a thousand. Every 1000 days, 2.7 years (in theory of course). It took over 9000 days to hit. Over 24 years. That's the bad side of the math. That's a long time to wait for justice. Someone on the board said wait till you watch a royal miss for 10 cycles. Yikes! That's a big hole to fall into.
    ""Singer's" psychotic viciousness"
    This board has a tough crew. No doubt. If you're cruel he will be unnecessarily cruel.

    I'll skip the actual arguments I've read kicking through the archives. Singer Verses the World.
    You've read them also. You go your way I'll go mine. He makes so much sense to me.
    I'm sorry if you've had real personal pain in your life. I've experience it. So many of us have. So many people have no knowledge of real pain.
    Only two things I might add:
    NO one cares to try the strategies
    When the machines don't follow the math- usually on multiplier or days needed to earn tier credits for giveaways- everyone calls it "variance". Certainly NO casino would have programming!! Ha!
    The " idiot" has spoken.

  8. #108
    Originally Posted by slingshot View Post
    Originally Posted by pahrump pete View Post
    redietz, A thoughtful post, here are a few thoughts back your way for what their worth.

    "Originally, I believed "Singer" regarding his claims of winning".
    This is a good place to start. You've been here a long time, you have a lot of history with "Singer" and his systems. I've just dropped in. I'm new. Am I allowed right here, right now to be where you once were? Doesn't seem like it.

    " I have no idea if he won what he claims or not, and it's not terribly important to me."
    Yours and my sentiment.

    What I took issue with was his insistence that his "systems" would work going forward.
    Excellent distinction. This is the debate.

    "Let's presume that "Singer" has followers and trainees, as he claims"
    I am certainly not a trainee, and I don't care for the word follower but I'm more than interested in what he has been saying. That's for sure. I don't use his system.
    I think legitimate card counters in BJ are tops, but lets expand the pool of card counters to trainee's and wannabes who bungle the job, lose the count, get flustered and get tossed. The reality now is the system is a loser too. That is reality also.

    [B]"Now let's move on to the whole tax credibility issue"
    I get it.

    "Anyway, as time has passed, I have become less convinced "Singer" was ahead what he has claimed. It doesn't much matter. What matters is that his systems' followers, as an aggregate, cannot win going forward as a group. That's all that matters"
    Maybe he won it, but not ahead by it. Ok. Maybe the "followers" only really wants to improve their game. Stem the losses. Have better days. But that's not encouraged around here on a gambling forum. Strange.
    "What matters is the math"
    I followed a 3 digit daily number on paper. Interesting. Odds are 1 in a thousand. Every 1000 days, 2.7 years (in theory of course). It took over 9000 days to hit. Over 24 years. That's the bad side of the math. That's a long time to wait for justice. Someone on the board said wait till you watch a royal miss for 10 cycles. Yikes! That's a big hole to fall into.
    ""Singer's" psychotic viciousness"
    This board has a tough crew. No doubt. If you're cruel he will be unnecessarily cruel.

    I'll skip the actual arguments I've read kicking through the archives. Singer Verses the World.
    You've read them also. You go your way I'll go mine. He makes so much sense to me.
    I'm sorry if you've had real personal pain in your life. I've experience it. So many of us have. So many people have no knowledge of real pain.
    Only two things I might add:
    NO one cares to try the strategies
    When the machines don't follow the math- usually on multiplier or days needed to earn tier credits for giveaways- everyone calls it "variance". Certainly NO casino would have programming!! Ha!
    The " idiot" has spoken.
    You supply the money and I'll learn and play it. If you're that confident in his BS, this should be a no brainer.

  9. #109
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    You supply the money and I'll learn and play it. If you're that confident in his BS, this should be a no brainer.
    Done. Where should I bring the money?

  10. #110
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    You supply the money and I'll learn and play it. If you're that confident in his BS, this should be a no brainer.
    Done. Where should I bring the money?
    Yellow Belly, the wimp that thinks he's tough.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  11. #111
    Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

  12. #112
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    The outlook wasn't brilliant for the Martingales that day,
    No evidence presented with but one forum left to play.
    When Jerry Logan died at first, and Belly did the same
    A sickly silence fell; AP's were all to blame.

    A straggling few got up to go in deep despair; the rest
    Clung to the luck which springs eternal in the Martingale breast.
    They thought, if only Singer could send his tax returns,
    That's all the proof they'd need to watch the AP's burn.

    But logic preceded Singer, as did also a little thing called math.
    The former irrefutable; the latter, well, it's math.
    So upon the stricken Martingales grim melancholy sat.
    There seemed no way Singer could overcome all that.

    But Alan liked the concept, of quitting when ahead,
    And math, the much despised, was put aside for dead.
    When the forum dust had settled, and they saw what had occurred,
    The rep of Martingales lay with tax returns interred.

    From five thousand keyboards and more there rose a lusty yell.
    It rumbled through Best Buys; it sent WOV to hell.
    It sped across the globe and recoiled in every flat,
    For Singer, mighty Singer, would get a whack at that.



    Oldie but goodie

  13. #113
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Ten thousand screens were on him as he waxed so eloquent,
    Ten thousand ears listened to his Martingale fervent.
    Then while the writhing arci clenched his taxes to his hip
    Defiance gleaned in Singer's eye, a sneering "get a grip."

    And now the tax-filled envelopes came hurtling through the mail,
    Singer stood watching them, hoping for a fail.
    Photos of the envelopes the audience had been fed.
    "That ain't the deal," said Singer. "Strike One," the umpire said.

    With a smile of Christian charity, great Singer's visage shone.
    He fueled the rising tumult, but bade the game go on.
    He signaled thus to arci that the taxes were askew.
    Ignoring all his backers' pleas, and the umpire said, "Strike two."

    "Fraud" cried the maddened thousands, but Alan told them to hush.
    No claims of illegality, even if deductions were all mush.
    Singer's face grew stern and cold, they saw his cred begin to strain,
    And they knew that Singer's taxes would clearly all explain.

    And there's more....

  14. #114
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    The sneer is gone from Singer's lip; his fingers typing hate,
    He insults recently departed, and says it's all just fate.
    And now arci sends more taxes, and Alan opens them so slow.
    And now the air is shattered by Rob's claims of being pro.

    Oh, somewhere in another forum, the sun is shining bright.
    Jerry Logan's playing somewhere, and Belly's feeling quite alright.
    And somewhere Martingales are laughing, and somewhere Rob has clout.
    But there is no joy at Best Buys -- mighty Singer has struck out.



    (Dietz takes bow)

  15. #115
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Dietz takes bow.
    You know, when I read the next quote, earlier today, and, then, looked at your post count, my first thought was, well, this guy seems to be plateauing at 6,666 posts. No, I'm not a numerologist - they scoffed at me, and my "numbers" over there - but I do work with numbers, and ideas. Such are always floating around in my head. Anyway, well, I thought this was hardly worth mentioning, at the time, until I got home, and, then, tried it out.

    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Sorry, man. Consider it a guest appearance. I post only to point out egregious stupid. I was actually hoping Rob would have put together something more convincing. It's disappointing.

    As I mentioned, I could do a better job "selling my Lamborghini with my man-whoring money" than Rob did with his "Newell via double-up bug."
    Feast your eyes on this baby. I mean, I don't know how I do it, usually, on the first try, but, damn.


    Shut it down, Redietz, at post six thousand, six hundred sixty-six. --->

    Auto industry in the united states
    Prostitution in the United States

    ... in the first two lines.

    https://anagram-solver.net/shut%20it...x?partial=true


    What the fuck are the odds? Couldn't do this if I tried.


    Last edited by Garnabby; 01-20-2021 at 03:58 PM.
    Every one /everyone knows it all; yet, no thing /nothing is truly known by any one /anyone. Similarly, the suckers think that they win, but, the house always wins, unless to hand out an even worse beating.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsa6ojQcYXQ

    Garnabby + OppsIdidItAgain + ThomasClines (or TomasHClines) + The Grim Reaper + LMR + OneHitWonder (or 1HitWonder, 1Hit1der) + Bill Yung ---> GOTTLOB1, or GOTTLOB = Praise to God!

    Blog at https://garnabby.blogspot.com/

  16. #116
    It's amazing how much Singer is permanently embedded in some people's heads on this forum.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  17. #117
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    It's amazing how much Singer is permanently embedded in some people's heads on this forum.
    Not surprising.

    Try gazing at a woman with a flaming red boil on the tip of her nose without your eye returning to that marring defect.

    Same thing here.
    What, Me Worry?

  18. #118
    On a gambling forum, Singer barely registers. Too many other warts and boils. Hehehe.
    Every one /everyone knows it all; yet, no thing /nothing is truly known by any one /anyone. Similarly, the suckers think that they win, but, the house always wins, unless to hand out an even worse beating.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsa6ojQcYXQ

    Garnabby + OppsIdidItAgain + ThomasClines (or TomasHClines) + The Grim Reaper + LMR + OneHitWonder (or 1HitWonder, 1Hit1der) + Bill Yung ---> GOTTLOB1, or GOTTLOB = Praise to God!

    Blog at https://garnabby.blogspot.com/

  19. #119
    Here's, once again, the answer to "Singer's" comment regarding arci sending in taxes. Arci figured "Singer" had no profits to show and would never send in his own taxes. There was no mystery as to why arci sent in his tax forms to Alan.

  20. #120
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Here's, once again, the answer to "Singer's" comment regarding arci sending in taxes. Arci figured "Singer" had no profits to show and would never send in his own taxes. There was no mystery as to why arci sent in his tax forms to Alan.
    Great bump Comrade, Arci is the only guy to date to send in his tax forms. Tribute to Ol Archie Bunker hopefully he's still kicking and doing ok.

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