My advantage play in AC is finished

[lucky]

most of us get food comps in the mail. I get 100$ food comp twice a month. They send it through the mail. I will cut out the coupon and go up the TR desk and have them put the $100 food comp onto my players card, claiming I did not receive my mail. Once they credit it, I turn it into free play. Then I use my coupon. Double dipping as some would call it. This nets me about 150 a month in free play. But since last month, they have stopped crediting the comp onto player card. I think lots of people were abusing this "advantage play".

[LoneStarHorse]

My best advantage play in AC is at Harrahs Marina.. With my free play I go to video roulette with the single zero...
Bet half red, half black... Cover single zero to ensure profit..

[jbjb]

My best advantage play in AC is at Harrahs Marina.. With my free play I go to video roulette with the single zero...
Bet half red, half black... Cover single zero to ensure profit..

That's a horrible way to play it. Your getting less than half value every time.

[coach belly]

That's a horrible way to play it. Your getting less than half value every time.

Can you mathematically explain what you mean above?

[Alan Mendelson]

Can you mathematically explain what you mean above?

The way I look at it, he is taking $100 and putting $50 on red, $50 on black and some small amount on Zero to insure a return of just under 50%.

I would rather take the same $100 and play video poker. Even at 25-cents 7/5 Bonus poker my expected return would be 98% and I would expect more than $50 from the roulette play.

[Count Room]

You are getting the ~98% return with the video roulette play. Say you have $100 freeplay. $50 on red, $50 on black. One will win giving you $50 back plus another $50. If the green number wins, your $3 on it will net you 35-1 for $105 or so.

Pretty good idea. Saves the hassle of playing multiple BP hands.

You'll almost ALWAYS get around $100 (or 100% of your freeplay) without significant risk of a string of lousy VP hands.

[coach belly]

The way I look at it, he is taking $100 and putting $50 on red, $50 on black and some small amount on Zero to insure a return of just under 50%.

I would rather take the same $100 and play video poker. Even at 25-cents 7/5 Bonus poker my expected return would be 98% and I would expect more than $50 from the roulette play.

Are you sure about this? Doesn't video roulette use credits, like the other machines?

If you bet 50 on red and 50 on black, and black comes out, they take your 50 red bet away, and pay your 50 black bet...but you don't lose your original 50 black bet, right?

[jbjb]

Can you mathematically explain what you mean above?

What Alan just said.

In fact, yesterday I ran my weekly $65 though 7/5 BP and made $80. Cashed out and left.

[Alan Mendelson]

I wouldn't call that an advantage play. I'd call it a lie. Sorry.

[LoneStarHorse]

Alan

Who are you implying is lying ?? You were vague with that comment .....

I wouldn't call that an advantage play. I'd call it a lie. Sorry.

[Alan Mendelson]

I'll be more specific: Lucky lied. Here's what lucky wrote:

I will cut out the coupon and go up the TR desk and have them put the $100 food comp onto my players card, claiming I did not receive my mail. Once they credit it, I turn it into free play. Then I use my coupon.

Is that not a lie?

[LoneStarHorse]

Alan

It does appear to be dubious.....

[lucky]

yes it is lying, no doubt. But i wouldn't feel sorry for the casinos, they are not in the charity business. Just like I slip my own soda and snacks into a movie theater, I have no qualms about trying to take advantage of the casino. I give my free play to my friends when I know I won't be going to the casino, that is cheating but I do it all the time.

[jbjb]

Might be a better idea if VP is excluded from FP. But VP is by far superior to anything else.

[Count Room]

Might be a better idea if VP is excluded from FP. But VP is by far superior to anything else.

Maybe, but in the case of the video roulette it may be more appealing to be virtually guaranteed approx. 97%-105% of your freeplay's face value each and every time you go. Smooths out the volatility nicely.

[coach belly]

Might be a better idea if VP is excluded from FP. But VP is by far superior to anything else.

What if you don't hit much on VP? You could brick some, most or all of your free play away.

That can't happen with the 100 video roulette play, if you spread 48-48-4, then you are guaranteed either 96 or 140.

[jbjb]

What if you don't hit much on VP? You could brick some, most or all of your free play away.

That can't happen with the 100 roulette play, if you spread 48-48-4, then you are guaranteed either 96 or 140.

No you aren't. Better check your math again. You'll profit 48 or 140. 36 out of 37 times, assuming a single zero wheel, you'll only get the 48.

[coach belly]

No you aren't. Better check your math again. You'll profit 48 or 140. 36 out of 37 times, assuming a single zero wheel, you'll only get the 48.

The machine pays the winning color 48, plus you keep the 48 you bet.

It's like hitting 2-pair on VP.

Is this not correct?

[jbjb]

The machine pays the winning color 48, plus you keep the 48 you bet.

It's like hitting 2-pair on VP.

Is this not correct?

No. Outside bets pay even money.

[RS__]

No you aren't. Better check your math again. You'll profit 48 or 140. 36 out of 37 times, assuming a single zero wheel, you'll only get the 48.

I usually side with jbjb on stuff, but this isn't true. You put $0 into the machine, you download $100 in FP. Once you cycle through $100 in action, you cash out whatever is remaining on the credit meter. $48 red, $48 black, $4 green. At the end of the spin, you will have cycled through $100. You'll either have $96 (which is ALL profit, since you put $0 into machine), or else you'll have $140 if green hits ($140 in profit).

1/37 * 140 = 140/37
+
36/37 * 96 = 96*36/37
==
((140/37) + (96*36/37)) = value of $100 in FP on roulette machine (using that method).
==
$97.19