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  1. #21
    Thanks easiest way to convert free play.... On $300 I collect $290 or $350 ($10 zero)

    On $600 I collect $580 or $700 ($20 zero)


    Originally Posted by Count Room View Post
    It's a nice idea LoneStar, never thought of it.

  2. #22
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    The machine pays the winning color 48, plus you keep the 48 you bet.

    It's like hitting 2-pair on VP.

    Is this not correct?
    No. Outside bets pay even money.

  3. #23
    Originally Posted by LoneStarHorse View Post
    Thanks easiest way to convert free play.... On $300 I collect $290 or $350 ($10 zero)

    On $600 I collect $580 or $700 ($20 zero)
    Impossible. 150 fp loses, 150 hits pays 150 minus the $10 cash bet equal a net $140.

  4. #24
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    No you aren't. Better check your math again. You'll profit 48 or 140. 36 out of 37 times, assuming a single zero wheel, you'll only get the 48.
    I usually side with jbjb on stuff, but this isn't true. You put $0 into the machine, you download $100 in FP. Once you cycle through $100 in action, you cash out whatever is remaining on the credit meter. $48 red, $48 black, $4 green. At the end of the spin, you will have cycled through $100. You'll either have $96 (which is ALL profit, since you put $0 into machine), or else you'll have $140 if green hits ($140 in profit).

    1/37 * 140 = 140/37
    +
    36/37 * 96 = 96*36/37
    ==
    ((140/37) + (96*36/37)) = value of $100 in FP on roulette machine (using that method).
    ==
    $97.19

  5. #25
    NOT impossible ...

    You bet $100 red $100 black $3 zero

    If red or black comes I get $200... If zero I get $105


    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    Impossible. 150 fp loses, 150 hits pays 150 minus the $10 cash bet equal a net $140.

  6. #26
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    No. Outside bets pay even money.
    Yes...but they don't take your winning bet away.

    You bet 48 on red, 48 on black, 4 on green.

    Red comes out...they take your 48 on black and 4 on green.

    You keep the 48 you bet on red, and they pay bet another 48.

    So you end up with 96.

    Just like table roulette...they cap your bet with the marker and pay it...they don't take the bet away.

  7. #27
    You're correct....


    Originally Posted by RS__ View Post
    I usually side with jbjb on stuff, but this isn't true. You put $0 into the machine, you download $100 in FP. Once you cycle through $100 in action, you cash out whatever is remaining on the credit meter. $48 red, $48 black, $4 green. At the end of the spin, you will have cycled through $100. You'll either have $96 (which is ALL profit, since you put $0 into machine), or else you'll have $140 if green hits ($140 in profit).

    1/37 * 140 = 140/37
    +
    36/37 * 96 = 96*36/37
    ==
    ((140/37) + (96*36/37)) = value of $100 in FP on roulette machine (using that method).
    ==
    $97.19

  8. #28
    Correct



    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    Yes...but they don't take your winning bet away.

    You bet 48 on red, 48 on black, 4 on green.

    Red comes out...they take your 48 on black and 4 on green.

    You keep the 48 you bet on red, and they pay bet another 48.

    So you end up with 96.

    Just like table roulette...they cap your bet with the marker and pay it...they don't take the bet away.

  9. #29
    Actually this is brilliant, but I get my free play from Ballys and their roulette machines doesn't take free play

  10. #30
    Originally Posted by RS__ View Post
    I usually side with jbjb on stuff, but this isn't true. You put $0 into the machine, you download $100 in FP. Once you cycle through $100 in action, you cash out whatever is remaining on the credit meter. $48 red, $48 black, $4 green. At the end of the spin, you will have cycled through $100. You'll either have $96 (which is ALL profit, since you put $0 into machine), or else you'll have $140 if green hits ($140 in profit).

    1/37 * 140 = 140/37
    +
    36/37 * 96 = 96*36/37
    ==
    ((140/37) + (96*36/37)) = value of $100 in FP on roulette machine (using that method).
    ==
    $97.19
    If they're giving you the original 48 back, then I agree. But they're not supposed to.

  11. #31
    Originally Posted by RS__ View Post
    I usually side with jbjb on stuff,
    Yeah...I think jbjb has outed himself.

    He portrays himself as a fulltime AP pro, and as it turns out...he doesn't know jack shit.

    My god...Rob Singer's gonna have a field day with this.

  12. #32
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    If they're giving you the original 48 back, then I agree. But they're not supposed to.
    You just gotta cycle through the amount of the FP once before cashing out. Just like in VP. You bet $5 on VP, get 2-pair, you can then cash out that $10. If you bet $5 on black on roulette and it hits, you can cash out those $10 too. Both bets pay 2-for-1.

  13. #33
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    Yeah...I think jbjb has outed himself.

    He portrays himself as a fulltime AP pro, and as it turns out...he doesn't know jack shit.

    My god...Rob Singer's gonna have a field day with this.
    Piss off. I've done this before so I know I'm right. Once I saw how I got ripped off, never again.

  14. #34
    Originally Posted by RS__ View Post
    You just gotta cycle through the amount of the FP once before cashing out. Just like in VP.
    There's two ways. Downloadable where you don't need cash or the kind that you need an initial seed money. What kind is he describing? The way I'm reading, it's the latter.

    The latter also returns your bet, the former doesn't.

  15. #35
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    There's two ways. Downloadable where you don't need cash or the kind that you need an initial seed money. What kind is he describing? The way I'm reading, it's the latter.

    The latter also returns your bet, the former doesn't.
    It's the same on both.

    With initial seed money, you win $48 (from the game), keep the original $48 wager (or, in other words, [how it really works], it'll say "Winner, $96!") and it also gives you an extra $100 at the end of the spin (if that's how much you wagered). MGM (at least in LV) uses this system. HRH and Silver Sevens (off the top of my head, perhaps Aliante too) use this system.

    Downloadable credits system is used at almost every other casino I've visited, where you don't need to put any money (cash) into the machine.

  16. #36
    jbjb

    There are currently 7 Caesars properties that allow free play on video roulette with payback as I've described... Now this secret is out I'm sure someone will blow nice play out the door



    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    If they're giving you the original 48 back, then I agree. But they're not supposed to.

  17. #37
    I do my "advantage" in one spin...

  18. #38
    The downloadable type doesn't give your bet back. On vp, if you get two pair, you only get 2 credits minus the 1 that was bet for a net gain of only 1 credit. On the initial seed types, you get the 2 credits AND 1 for the initial bet for a net gain of 2 credits. It's not the same.

  19. #39
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    Piss off. I've done this before so I know I'm right. Once I saw how I got ripped off, never again.
    You're telling me to piss off...you 2-bit phony?

    Years of vulturing ULTX, hole-carding and whatever other bullshit plays you made up, and you didn't know that the machines don't keep the credits you bet on winning hands?

    Oh my god what a faker...this is just too funny.

  20. #40
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    The downloadable type doesn't give your bet back. On vp, if you get two pair, you only get 2 credits minus the 1 that was bet for a net gain of only 1 credit. On the initial seed types, you get the 2 credits AND 1 for the initial bet for a net gain of 2 credits. It's not the same.
    This is all wrong too!

    You don't get 3 credits for 2 pair, it's 2 credits.

    Free play or otherwise...you bet 5, the 5 is gone....
    you hit 2 pair - you win 10. You don't get the original 5 back too.

    Unreal...wow you sure spent a lot of time building up a fake persona...what a mental patient.
    Last edited by coach belly; 02-02-2016 at 02:40 PM.

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