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  1. #41
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    The downloadable type doesn't give your bet back. On vp, if you get two pair, you only get 2 credits minus the 1 that was bet for a net gain of only 1 credit. On the initial seed types, you get the 2 credits AND 1 for the initial bet for a net gain of 2 credits. It's not the same.
    How much do you want to wager both systems are the same (on VP)? One system, it all downloads at the beginning. The other system, it downloads small amounts throughout play.

  2. #42
    Why all the fuss? Most on this forum who get any amount of free play won't and can't simply get up and leave after once-thru anyway--esp. someone who makes 40 trips a year. If you're one of the savvy ones who doesn't allow the casinos to control you however, then free play always equals profit.

  3. #43
    Originally Posted by RS__ View Post
    How much do you want to wager both systems are the same (on VP)? One system, it all downloads at the beginning. The other system, it downloads small amounts throughout play.
    I'm just not seeing how he's getting paid 2 TO 1 on even money bets. I guess I'd just have to watch.

    Somehow I'm picturing the same on baccarat.

  4. #44
    It pays 2-for-1. That's how every machine I've ever seen works (that I know of / remember). When you make a $5 bet, your credits immediately go down, even before your wager is resolved. Once it is resolved (if a winner) it pays 2.

  5. #45
    Originally Posted by LoneStarHorse View Post
    Say free play $300 $150 red $150 black $10 on zero ($350)
    Here's how I figure it:

    If you hit red you get $150 cash less the $10 on zero. Your win is $140. You started with $300 free play + $10 cash.
    If you hit black you get $150 cash less the $10 on zero. Your win is $140. You started with $300 free play + $10 cash.
    If you hit Zero you get $350 cash less the $10 bet on zero. Your win is $340. You started with $300 free play + $10 cash.

    How is this a 98% return?

  6. #46
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    I'm just not seeing how he's getting paid 2 TO 1 on even money bets. I guess I'd just have to watch.
    Bet 10 on heads, 10 on tails, flip a coin, take the losing bet and pay the winner.

    You'll end up with 20 total...just like you started with.

  7. #47
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    Bet 10 on heads, 10 on tails, flip a coin, take the losing bet and pay the winner.

    You'll end up with 20 total...just like you started with.
    I'm shocked I'm saying this, but, I agree with coach belly.

  8. #48
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Here's how I figure it:

    If you hit red you get $150 cash less the $10 on zero. Your win is $140. You started with $300 free play + $10 cash.
    If you hit black you get $150 cash less the $10 on zero. Your win is $140. You started with $300 free play + $10 cash.
    If you hit Zero you get $350 cash less the $10 bet on zero. Your win is $340. You started with $300 free play + $10 cash.

    How is this a 98% return?
    You get your original wager back.

    Just like VP...you bet 5 credits, you hit JOB...you get 5 credits back. The machine says "win 5" but it's not a win...it's a push.

    You bet 5 credits and hit 2 pair...you get 10 back...the 5 you bet, plus the 5 you win.

    The machine says "win 10" but you didn't win 10...you won 5...because 2 pair pays even money, just like red or black in roulette.
    Last edited by coach belly; 02-02-2016 at 03:04 PM.

  9. #49
    Originally Posted by RS__ View Post
    I'm shocked I'm saying this, but, I agree with coach belly.
    What's to be shocked about? When have I ever been wrong on this forum?

  10. #50
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    Bet 10 on heads, 10 on tails, flip a coin, take the losing bet and pay the winner.

    You'll end up with 20 total...just like you started with.
    Agreed, but the casino doesn't let you keep the initial bets, just the wins. You're +10

  11. #51
    Originally Posted by RS__ View Post
    $48 red, $48 black, $4 green. At the end of the spin, you will have cycled through $100. You'll either have $96 (which is ALL profit, since you put $0 into machine), or else you'll have $140 if green hits ($140 in profit).
    I don't think this is right, unless there is something about roulette I don't know. The way I see it:

    If black hits you get $48 cash and you still have 48 credits of free play for the next spin. You lost the 48 credits on red plus 4 on green.

  12. #52
    Originally Posted by LoneStarHorse View Post
    NOT impossible ...

    You bet $100 red $100 black $3 zero

    If red or black comes I get $200... If zero I get $105
    If red or black hits you don't get $200. You get $100 plus the credits of the winning bet on the machine. If I recall, you can't cash out free play credits.

  13. #53
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    Agreed, but the casino doesn't let you keep the initial bets, just the wins. You're +10
    What game does the casino not let you to keep the initial bets on a winner?

    A Direct Bet coupon on a table game....is there another?
    Last edited by coach belly; 02-02-2016 at 03:10 PM.

  14. #54
    Alan

    It's simple... Free Play $300

    $150 Red & Black
    $10 zero

    Red or black hit you collect $300 you lose $10 thus a $290 walk away profit ... Zero $350


    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Here's how I figure it:

    If you hit red you get $150 cash less the $10 on zero. Your win is $140. You started with $300 free play + $10 cash.
    If you hit black you get $150 cash less the $10 on zero. Your win is $140. You started with $300 free play + $10 cash.
    If you hit Zero you get $350 cash less the $10 bet on zero. Your win is $340. You started with $300 free play + $10 cash.

    How is this a 98% return?

  15. #55
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    If red or black hits you don't get $200. You get $100 plus the credits of the winning bet on the machine. If I recall, you can't cash out free play credits.
    You can cash them out after you've wagered them, and you just did...you wagered 200 credits, 100 on red & 100 on black.

  16. #56
    Alan

    I've been doing this for years, it's 1,000,000% possible ... There is NO free play left after your one spin


    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    If red or black hits you don't get $200. You get $100 plus the credits of the winning bet on the machine. If I recall, you can't cash out free play credits.

  17. #57
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    What game does the casino not let you to keep the initial bets on a winner?

    Name one.
    At Rincon when you use promo chips (free play) at any table game you are paid for the win but you lose your free play chip. Put a $5 promo chip on the pass line and there is a winner 7 and you will get a live $5 chip but your promo chip is taken away.

  18. #58
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    I don't think this is right, unless there is something about roulette I don't know. The way I see it:

    If black hits you get $48 cash and you still have 48 credits of free play for the next spin. You lost the 48 credits on red plus 4 on green.
    How do you still have 48 credits in free play? You JUST WAGERED THEM.

  19. #59
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    At Rincon when you use promo chips (free play) at any table game you are paid for the win but you lose your free play chip. Put a $5 promo chip on the pass line and there is a winner 7 and you will get a live $5 chip but your promo chip is taken away.
    That's the same as the Direct Bet coupon for table games.

    But say you have $500 FP and play one 5-credit hand of VP on the $100 machine.

    You hit a pair of face cards, you win $500 and can cash it all out.

    You hit 2 pair, you win $1000 and can cash it all out.

    You play video roulette, same thing.

    You bet $250 red & $250 black...if EITHER red or black comes out you "win" $500 and can cash it all out.

    When you bet your own money, it's a push...but with free play it's all a win, because you risked nothing.

  20. #60
    Originally Posted by LoneStarHorse View Post
    Alan

    I've been doing this for years, it's 1,000,000% possible ... There is NO free play left after your one spin
    Sorry. The way I look at it, if you bet $10 on red and it hits you are paid $10 even money. That leaves $10 free play on the machine. I am unaware that the $10 free play winning bet is converted to cash -- I always thought it remains as free play for another bet.

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