My advantage play in AC is finished

[Rob.Singer]

At Rincon when you use promo chips (free play) at any table game you are paid for the win but you lose your free play chip. Put a $5 promo chip on the pass line and there is a winner 7 and you will get a live $5 chip but your promo chip is taken away.

That's the way it is everywhere and everyone here should know that.

Using free-play on a roulette machine, it's exactly the way coach belly stated above.

[Alan Mendelson]

That's the same as the Direct Bet coupon for table games.

But say you have $500 FP and play one 5-credit hand of VP on the $100 machine.

You hit a pair of face cards, you win $500 and can cash it all out.

You hit 2 pair, you win $1000 and can cash it all out.

I agree because in, for example Bonus poker, two pair pays $1,000 on a $500 machine. But now consider roulette:

You play video roulette, same thing.

You bet $250 red & $250 black...if EITHER red or black comes out you "win" $500 and can cash it all out.

When you bet your own money, it's a push...but with free play it's all a win, because you risked nothing.

Here is the error. If either red or black hits you don't win $500. You win $250 -- even money. And that leaves your winning free play $250 on the machine for another spin.

Unlike video poker, you weren't paid two-for-one. You were paid one-for-one.

[Alan Mendelson]

How do you still have 48 credits in free play? You JUST WAGERED THEM.

the winning bet remains -- the $48 you collected was the "even money pay" on that winning bet.

[coach belly]

Sorry. The way I look at it, if you bet $10 on red and it hits you are paid $10 even money. That leaves $10 free play on the machine. I am unaware that the $10 free play winning bet is converted to cash -- I always thought it remains as free play for another bet.

Once you wager the free play, it's yours to cash out, it does NOT remain as free play for another bet.

It doesn't matter that the free play wager won, it was wagered once...that's all that's required.

It's the same as VP.

[RS__]

No, it pays 2-for-1.

Find me a roulette machine that pays 1-to-1 or 1-for-1. It is 2-for-1..

BTW, 1-for-1 basically means YOU CANNOT WIN. Wanna do a coin flip? If it lands on heads, I'll pay you 1-for-1. If it lands on tails, you lose 1. [Hint: 1-for-1 is the same as breaking even.]


Alan, for someone who makes himself look like an expert when it comes to gambling....you're making yourself look idiotic right now.

[jbjb]

I figured it out. Sort of the same on video blackjack where a push actually pays (bet a freeplay credit, get a tie, get actual cash returned). Basically it sounds like it works like a match play but only for machines.

[RS__]

I figured it out. Sort of the same on video blackjack where a push actually pays (bet a freeplay credit, get a tie, get actual cash returned).

Yes.


EDIT: How long will Alan fight this one for?

[jbjb]

Yes.


EDIT: How long will Alan fight this one for?

Don't know, don't care. I'm having dinner.

[Alan Mendelson]

Even money for me means If I bet five I win five.

I don't play roulette but I play craps. The pass line is an even money bet.

When I have $5 on the passline and there is a winner I am paid $5 and the passline bet remains.
If the passline bet were "free play" it would not be converted to $5 cash. And at Rincon I would have lost it.

Now how is this different from an even money bet at roulette on black or red?

[coach belly]

Alan, for someone who makes himself look like an expert when it comes to gambling....you're making yourself look idiotic right now.

And what about your shit-talking buddy jbjb?

He's idiotic too...right?

And please explain, how a fulltime AP pro, having spent so much time in casinos, could not have known or understood this obvious, simple and common situation.

Try explaining the math behind that mystery...because it certainly doesn't add up.

[jbjb]

I'm very idiotic sometimes. I'm also a bigger asshole than Singer :-)

Again, it just wasn't making sense to me. Once I though of how it works on VBJ, I understood what's happening.

Also, you don't have to know shit about math to beat casinos. Just learn the right strategies for the respective games.

[coach belly]

Now how is this different from an even money bet at roulette on black or red?

It's video roulette...it's different. Bets don't remain on the table after a spin.

You bet 5 on red...an even money bet...red hits and you "win" 10.

The original 5 bet does not stay on the table, it's returned to you as credits on your meter.

It's just like VP...where 2 pair pays even money.

You bet 5...you hit 2 pair...the machine says "win 10" but you only won 5...the other 5 is your bet,
returned to you in the form of credits on your meter, not on the table.

[Alan Mendelson]

I am glad you wrote it like this:

It's video roulette...it's different. Bets don't remain on the table after a spin.

You bet 5 on red...an even money bet...red hits and you "win" 10.

Not in the casinos I play at. Even money bet means you bet 5 and you win 5 and the original $5 free play bet is returned to you. It's returned to you as FREE PLAY. You're telling me that it is returned to you as "cash." I have never experienced that. I have only experienced the original wager being returned if it was a winner -- and it has never been converted to real cash.

[coach belly]

I am glad you wrote it like this:



Not in the casinos I play at. Even money bet means you bet 5 and you win 5 and the original $5 free play bet is returned to you. It's returned to you as FREE PLAY. You're telling me that it is returned to you as "cash." I have never experienced that. I have only experienced the original wager being returned if it was a winner -- and it has never been converted to real cash.

What do you mean, you've never experienced that? That's what happens when you run your freeplay through VP.

We're talking about machine play here, not table games.

Once you wager your free play it can be cashed out...it's not returned as free play.

If you have $500 in freeplay, and play one 5-credit hand at the $100 machine, and hit a pair of Jacks, that's a push.

You still have 5 credits on your meter, but it's not returned to you as free play, you can cash that $500 out.

[Alan Mendelson]

Once you wager your free play it can be cashed out...it's not returned as free play.

When I run my free play through a video poker machine I cash out the WINNERS and the free play remains as free play which can be played again as free play. The free play must hit winners or it can't be cashed out.

[LoneStarHorse]

How can something so simple be going on for 3 pages??? Time for Advil

[RS__]

When I run my free play through a video poker machine I cash out the WINNERS and the free play remains as free play which can be played again as free play. The free play must hit winners or it can't be cashed out.

And a pair of jacks is considered a winner.

[Alan Mendelson]

If you have $500 in freeplay, and play one 5-credit hand at the $100 machine, and hit a pair of Jacks, that's a push.

You still have 5 credits on your meter, but it's not returned to you as free play, you can cash that $500 out.

At the casinos I play at, if I have $500 of free play and play 5 credits at a $100 machine and hit a pair of Jacks -- I win $500. When I hit the cash out button I will get a ticket for $500... BUT THERE WILL BE NO CREDITS REMAINING TO PLAY.

[coach belly]

When I run my free play through a video poker machine I cash out the WINNERS and the free play remains as free play which can be played again as free play. The free play must hit winners or it can't be cashed out.

That is incorrect, and it's hard to believe that you've been playing under that assumption.

Once you wager the free play, it's converted to real credits...it can't be played again as free play,
only the free play you haven't wagered can't be cashed out.

[LoneStarHorse]

Alan

It appears you're a successful business man, but you're one stubborn bastard.... You take us on a merry go round that never ends... You have never tried this advantage play, yet you're acting as if you've been doing this for years....
Tell you what I'll use my IPhone and video it for you.. Then post it, won't tell you the casino in Vegas though.. Don't want my "ATM" to dry up

At the casinos I play at, if I have $500 of free play and play 5 credits at a $100 machine and hit a pair of Jacks -- I win $500. When I hit the cash out button I will get a ticket for $500... BUT THERE WILL BE NO CREDITS REMAINING TO PLAY.