READ this from manoftroy2525 aka CoachBelly

[LoneStarHorse]

This is the last private message this sick individual sent me, he truly is demented. Don't share any information with this person.......

LoneStarAsshole

I will continue to just make you look so stupid in here. If you leave I'll make it easy on you. If not then I'll do what I did to you years ago this time much worse
You know what i am able to do been bothering folks like you for years call my bluff you will see just what I can unleash

Bawhaaa

[manoftroy2525]

Is that you David Milch?

[manoftroy2525]

This is the last private message this sick individual sent me, he truly is demented. Don't share any information with this person.......

LoneStarAsshole

I will continue to just make you look so stupid in here. If you leave I'll make it easy on you. If not then I'll do what I did to you years ago this time much worse
You know what i am able to do been bothering folks like you for years call my bluff you will see just what I can unleash

Bawhaaa

The absolute beauty of this is that I am not Coach Belly, although he is all over your ass too. I!m just a guy that got into your Super Bowl contest, won it, then got called a series of names because I didn't! want your bitch ass prize. Destroy me, but Google will be your demise, you cannot shut that down. By the way, the only Caitlyn I know is Jenner, and the spelling is wrong. Good night now...

[Dan Druff]

coach belly lives in a different area of the country than manoftroy2525. I don't believe they are the same person.

manoftroy2525 is not Rob, either.

[Rob.Singer]

I'm disappointed that you even had to mention that I'm not someone else. As I've said many times over, in the past 15 years, I've never posted anything anywhere under any other alias unless I first clearly identified it as me. Sure there are haters who want that not to be true and they can believe it or not. Maybe I should take a picture of that also.

[LoneStarHorse]

DanDruff

I'm sure you're well aware of IP proxy's, "Coach" on the TVG Forum had at one time 13 screen names from 23 states.. He was the sole reason they closed that forum.

coach belly lives in a different area of the country than manoftroy2525. I don't believe they are the same person.

manoftroy2525 is not Rob, either.

[Spock]

As I've said many times over, in the past 15 years, I've never posted anything anywhere under any other alias unless I first clearly identified it as me.

And that statement is a direct, and completely documented, lie.

Everything is available at Yahoo. If anyone doesn't have an account there, get one. It's easy, free and only takes a few minutes, (which helps to show that Rob's claim he "borrowed" the alias of someone else because his account stopped working is ludicrous).

This is long, (mostly consisting of Rob's posts), but since there is no way of knowing how long Yahoo will stay alive I thought it might be appropriate to post the history here. It's also great to have a single URL that anyone can point to in the future that shows it; just hover over the post number on the top right and bookmark it. And if anyone decides to read the original's over at Yahoo you might want to post a confirmation here of the accuracy.

This shows the entire posting history of "Aces_Hii":

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/...false&count=10

Scroll down to the bottom for the first post.

The following is the entire sequence leading up to where Rob announced he was "borrowing" the Aces_Hii account, 13 posts starting with his first one. There are scores more after that; 104 in total.

My comments and/or emphasis interspersed as necessary.

June 16, 2005

I'm taking this over here because I don't think people know how to
handle it "over there", or it might not be allowed on vpfree.

Dick says: (Don't get too excited. If past events mean anything RS will
either back out or try to change the bet along the way.)

I don't think that's the case. If I remember, back a little you and he
were betting/arguing about who has more money in cash? or something
silly like that. That was Internet forum fodder. This time there's
several reputable organizations involved, it's in a publication, and
money has changed hands. RS has also offered up to do things none of
the others who claim to win would ever do, and there's more of them
than there is of him. I'd like to see you, who claims to have more
money than him and believes he's a liar and a fraud just as the radio
jock does, to walk the walk and back up the radio guy since he probably
doesn't have the cash. Jean Scott also chimed in about the Westin.
Perhaps she, with her non-stop yearly winning streaks, can spare a
frugal sum to go along with yours to total the amount that Singer's
challenge entails.

June 17, 2005

A) Maybe you should read the article as identified before posting something negative next time. It's more of a challenge than a bet, of RS's past 8 years performance as his website depicts. The radio jock is like you, saying he couldn't have net something like $640000.

B) OK, I wasn't sure what your and his claims were during the silly bet. You did say that you had and were willing to risk somewhere around this $740000, correct? The point is that if you're so sure of yourself that he's a liar and a fraud (I just looked that up and you did say that numerous times) now's the time to back those words up all the way to the bank. Instead of doing what the others do and continually announce that he's not real, give him the chance to fall on his face. Otherwise, that radio jock isn't the only one he's going to make a fool of.

C) I know, EVERYBODY who agrees with, has something supportive to say about, or who understands his logic is him.

(Part "C" is in response to Dick's statement "Finally, just how are you and RS related? If you can't answer this qustion honestly then don't bother replying at all." The same, or similar response can be found in virtually every forum where Rob was accused of using an alias.)

June 17, 2005

Your tirade made you miss the entire point of what I said. Who cares how his system of play affects others at this point in time? That's not the issue. Take a closer look, read it this time, and don't get so ruffled over it.

I never saw any proof that RS is a liar OR a fraud aside from your ongoing vitriol about how it's not possible for him to win using negative games. He in fact seems very capable of proving he did win what he said he did. The point you sped by was that now you have the chance to actually prove him wrong, unless you either accept the fact that he won, you don't really have the money you bark that you say you do, or you're just plain afraid to face him. You keep on saying his system has no validity, yet you seem comfortable being critical from the safety of your computer and will not walk the walk after you've talked the talk for so long. He says he wins playing his way; you say he cannot. Unless of course you take the chicken little approach when facing the possibility of a big bet, and give us "it's possible but not probable". That kind of attitude is for babies.

I re-read the whole exchange, and you surely did want a bet with him, only it appears it was YOU who backed down when he was requiring cash be made available and you just wanted to view Internet sites. If that's the case, I can say I have more than both of you put together, but you can't prove it so it's totally meaningless.


Maybe in your mind you believe you made a fool of Singer, but when I was in LV a few weeks ago I picked up a Gaming Today and his article had a piece about you, and he made a fool of you to the whole world. If I remember correctly, there was a lot about a poster named "Dick" who was critical as stated above, but the best part was how this "Dick" claimed not to be addicted to the game, yet he claimed to have hit 26 royals in a recent 6-month period. Ouch! Now I see why you despise Singer so much. He seems to have your number and you can't get it back. But here's your chance to step up and take it back. Cover his bet. How else are you going to save face?

Jun3 18, 2005

Dick: You can't seem to grasp the issue, and the more you try the
further away you're getting. You've said "anyone can get lucky".
For 8 years? That's why you call him a "liar", and I'm assuming
the "fraud" part is because you think his system stinks. So lets
stick to the facts please. The ONLY issue I brought up is whether or
not he actually is a "liar and a fraud" as you've been consistently
saying. Whether or not you "care" if he wins, whether or not you
believe he "leads others to lose" or whether or not you
believe "anyone can get lucky" has nothing to do with the point.

THE ONLY ISSUE AT HAND IS DO YOU BELIEVE HE HAS WON $640000 OVER
THOSE 8 YEARS PLAYING VIDEO POKER OR NOT? If the answer's yes, then
you can bring up all the things you don't like about him and then
some, and I'll be satisfied because I got a straightforward answer
from you finally. If it's a clear NO without any of your other mumbo
jumbo, then I continue to submit to you that you should put your
money where your mouth is, and support the poor radio jock who
apparently has turned down the challenge. If you do not want to do
that then say so without excuses, because it will be easy to decipher
why.

I see where you're coming from on the "money vs. cash" issue, but if
one can't prove they have money with cash, what's the point? It
looks like a normal flow of reason and rationale to require cash
instead of just believing what someone says over the Internet, or
looking at a site for proof. Plus it was a bet. Bets are made with
cash, so I don't see a problem with what he did. What were you going
to do, offer to give him a check if he won? Maybe an "electronic
transfer"? It appears to me he was just thinking ahead, and he had
every right to clarify the bet to protect his interest in case he
won. Either way, he may have learned how to deal with big-money
bettors since. A cash escrow account holder is the only way to
assure both sides in a bet. If he was willing to convert his assets
to cash, why were you so hesitant? Peeling down the onion as many
layers as you can locate only supports a weak position the further
down one goes. Your excuse here that "he would have backed down
anyway" doesn't cut it. He surely didn't do that this time around.

I take another view on how or if his writing affects you. Back then,
your posts showed a constant irritation with him. He claims you are
an addict many times. You say you're not. The logic he presents
that you got so many royals in so short a time easily depicts you as
a player who plays way too much. You can call it whatever you like
because that's what those type of people do. I know you'll argue
that point all day and night because you'll never see it for what it
is. You can have the last word, but I know you won't stop thinking
about it, especially when you're in casinos. Those will be my last
words, every single time, and I don't have to say a thing about it
ever again.

I'll tell you what. If you want me to be Elizabeth Taylor today, you
got it! How about Clint Eastwood? Anyone you want, just think it.
But they'll all be Rob Singer to you, because whoever supports any
part of what he writes IS him to you. I see he has THAT kind of
effect on you.

(Besides the Bellyesque comments sprinkled throughout this diatribe, this dialog has that oh-so-commonly used phrase "Peeling down the onion". Who uses that? Rob seems to like it, using it here, and here, and here.)

June 18, 2005

Dick:
I have a busy weekend ahead and I'm not into long exchanges anyway.
Thus, I'll let you say whatever you want without response (I see you
call it "setting the record straight" to keep you from going
bonkers), because I think I understand you'll never involve yourself
in a bet that has cash involved, and that's they way your nemisis
seems to make bets. I agree with his forthright style, leaving no
questions now or ever. The difference between you and he is he's
public, he puts his money where his mouth is, and his word to the
public gets published. What you show me is a dance from wherever
your computer is and no more. My mind is made up: you have no
credibility, and that which seems most important to you has also been
tainted: you need other readers to believe in you and ascertain what
a intelligent individual you are. Sir, you have failed.

I remember B. Dancer saying he had a 6 month winning streak. Now you
come along and proclaim a 6 month royal flush streak, where I guess
you're saying you won something. RS tells the gaming industry he's
been on an 8 year winning streak, and that's too much for you to
swallow so every time he says something your obsession with him
unleashes negativity.

Now we get to who I am. My name is Tom. I suggested maybe you'd
like me to be Elizabeth Taylor because you might have an ugly wife.
Clint Eastwood because it's easy to see you wish you had his balls.
But in reality, I really do think you wish you were Rob Singer. He's
more than got your number. He's reached in and grabbed your soul and
put it on display for everyone here and in gamingtoday to see.
NOBODY does that to YOU!

June18, 2005

I think you're a little behind. RS has a net win of $640k, and he is betting $740k CASH with whomever doesn't believe him, I guess starting with that radio jock. I'm sorry you don't have the discipline to hang onto what you've won. I never did either until I met him in New Orleans and he showed me a few things. Now when I play vp, I rarely go home without more than I started with. Now you're caught up.

(keep this "meeting" in mind when we go forward a few months)

June18, 2005

Got my chores done and I'm getting ready for a hot date. Something
tells me you're on the dying side of 40.

If you believe Robbie is a liar, here's your chance of a lifetime.
I'm sure he'll take your challenge instead of the radio guy, or even
your poor misunderstood cyberspace homo Dick's. Then we'll see how
much "plenty" really means.

June 19, 2005

Dick, I feel I know you after reading freevpfree for the past week.
BINGO! You're so insecure, you really need the last word. "Setting
the record straight" is your term for that isn't it, and I've never
seen anyone requiring the need to build a sense of self-
accomplishment in front a bunch of nobodys. I think I see you'd
never be able to bet RS on anything because you'd bicker about
putting up the cash, if you really have any, and he has no problem
with doing that. (Leaving money with Tom??? Is that a joke?)
Someone who plays that much vp has to be sick. Justifying your habit
as "a job" is what leads people to GA, and I don't mean Georgia.

I'm tired after getting laid four times tonight. CAN YOU REMEMBER
back that far when even ONCE was a miracle????

Now when you awaken from your Rip-van-Winkle and read this, I know
your blood pressure pills will have to be doubled up on until you get
it off your chest again here. So please take it easy that you may
enjoy many more wasted hours at the machines, where one who has the
need to say "I have more than $740000" has no choice but to spend
most of every waken hour at a stupid video poker machine for a
thrill. Too bad it wasn't Elizabeth Taylor! Oooo! Oooo! I just got
the need to say I have more than a million dollars, and it makes me
feel WONDERFUL that a zero like you knows it now! In fact, it's
absolutely true and I can prove it on an Internet site with a
password and all that! Not that I'll ever have to prove it to
anyone, but it makes me feel good to at least say it! Especially in
my olden years where not much is fun anymore, that is, except my
habit with video poker. Oooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!

June19, 2005

It's Father's Day and unlike you blokes, my dad had children that are going to spend the day with him. He wasn't content wasting his life away at machines. I came on here to ridicule Dick about the chance he had to support someone against Singer in a real cash bet, and I proved my point. He either doesn't have the cash or is afraid of betting him. My guess is both. A bonus received was irritating him by identifying how Singer humiliated him in a recent article. But by far the best part was predicting balls-on how frustrated Dick gets when someone has his number, and responds by claiming everyone who does so is Singer. The part about how he just HAS to reply (uh, "setting the record straight") to each point that makes a fool of him so he can talk himself into feeling good about it? Absolutely precious, and I'll leave here knowing he does a lot of talking to himself to make up for it. I can't help believing that gambling to get 26 royals in 6 months (and who knows how many
months before and after??) has degenerated him into being so jealous over Singer that he probably kicks the dog and beats the wife over it all. But I've read where he drags his wife into the casinos for as much torture as he wants to dish out. Maybe that's how he gets his revenge on Singer. Such an internal struggle is almost inhumane, but the pooch gets what he deserves.

Tom
(Now Dick will obviously come on and try to talk himself into feeling better about the beating I just administered to, and of course to try to save face, but who cares but him?) I'm outta here, ya old fart!!!!!!

This was the last post until he replied to what appears to be a post by Elliot Shapiro on September 9th, 2005:

Elliott Shapiro wrote:
"Rob Singer has NEVER proved that he is a winner. He will NOT allow
anyone to watch him, etc, and if he is really telling the truth, he
would be flying in on his private jet."

I don't know who you are sir, but how irresponsible and dumb a
statement is that? Has anyone else ever PROVED they win? If I recall,
even you've written on vpfree that you always win. So go ahead and
PROVE it! Show us how it's done.

If you read Gaming Today, you'd have seen where Mr. Singer openly
challenged some sportsbetting fool who basically said the same thing
you just did (called him a liar) on a radio show and RS called him on
it in the paper. He was ready to show & prove to this guy and his boss
Anthony Curtis from LVA that his winnings was over $640000 over X
amount of years playing vp, and if I recall the method of documentation
was impossible to argue (gaming day withdraw/re-deposit records, IRS
audit reports, gaming records, casino reports, financial institution
reviews with passwords, etc. and on and on). The bet was on at $640k
and he put up the escrow at one of the casinos, which was also
documented. When the day was done the sports guy was last seen running
away with his tail tucked firmly between his legs. I fully expect
you'd do the same. Why don't you offer to take his place?

You couldn't duplicate his results? Where'd you try it? I tried and
also couldn't at low level machines, so I contacted him and he met up
with me in Laughlin. When I was made aware of all the non-expert plays
his strategies require, I just didn't have the time to follow through
on it and I gave up. I imagine you DO know his strategy inside out to
be able to say you couldn't do it right. Or am I wrong?

This is reminiscent of the infamous Jatki "I met him once"/"I never met him" posts, but in this case he stated "I met him in New Orleans and he showed me a few things. Now when I play vp, I rarely go home without more than I started with" but 6 months later writes "I tried and also couldn't at low level machines, so I contacted him and he met up with me in Laughlin. When I was made aware of all the non-expert plays his strategies require, I just didn't have the time to follow through on it and I gave up."

On September 12, 2005 Aces_Hii seems to sound a lot more like Rob:

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@a...> wrote:

> Typical Singer response. Why don't you provide the proof and find
>out what happens? Of course, you know as well as I do that there is
>no proof and all you are doing is sucking air.

Because you're a nobody who wouldn't know what to do with proof it it
were staring you in the wrinkles. But read on.

> Are you completely bonkers. Proofs are proofs. Period. As long as
>the proof is completely in agreement with sound mathemathical
>principles.

Not with you it isn't. I have suspicions that you lack the
qualifications to even understand a mathematical presentation, let
alone judge one.

> Finally, any and all systems based on progressions have already
>been PROVEN to be worthless. PROVEN, Robby, that's right. PROVEN.
>Got it?

Yup, got it. I'll make you feel good by printing the words you need
to see. Remember that when you figure out no one here has yet
disproven mine.

> > You're wrong. I did provide all 3 names, where they're all from,
> and where 2 of them have worked when i knew them.
>
> Actually, I'd be more than willing to give you the date and time of
> your post (around July/August 2004) where you stated that you WOULD
> NOT provide these names. Are you going to try and keep this latest
> lie alive?

Uh, remember the name Graham, the New Zealander from the Middle
East?? How about Franz??? And just what would you do with these folks
even if you could find their numbers? Gee, I don't think you speak
German, or Chinese. Now why's that? Because you've really done
nothing of importance your entire life, and you haven't been
anywhere. That's why you're so angry and lead such a sour life in
your declining years. Everything seems to have passed you by, and now
the low class/low life game of video poker's overtaken you. What a
legacy.......

Later that same day, Rob seems to have completely forgotten he's using that alias, (although the vitriol seems consistent with earlier posts), and writes this:

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@a...> wrote:

> That's because I don't hide behind fake Ids and made up names. I am
> exactly who I appear to be. If you can't handle that, too bad.

So how do we know that? Let's see if you can provide some of that
famous Dick-proof you're always tossing around! Sitting and making up
theories that I post under other id's, especially when making you
look like a fool (which is a bonus beyond enjoyment) is just another
of your boring past times.

>
> I'll be back in LV in less than 3 weeks. Of course, we must make
>sure that the winner of the debate gets to write the results in your
> column space in GT.

I won't be so cloudy. I will be in LV Sept. 23 & 24, and Oct. 20-22.
No need for stipulations, because I'll write the column with the
truth as always. Since video poker is your life, i'll let you set it
up, and I'll help however I can. Maybe you need to make a port about
it on vpFREE since I can't post there. Here's your chance to get
something positive done in your life for a change instead of throwing
all your money away into a video poker machine. Let's see you get it
done.

>
> There goes that ego again. I wondered how long it would take to
>rise up and make you look like the small person that you are.

I wonder how you'll react to the fact that any time you and I are in
the spotlight, the audience would come to see and hear me. Ego?
Maybe. Truth? Absolutely.

>
> I just provide the facts. You see I don't care if your name is
> mentioned when providing useful information like good plays at
>Wynns' Casino. I just want to make sure that everyone who comes to
> freevpfree has the opportunity to see you as you really are. In
>that regard I have had tremendous success.

I'd say so. the more you rant the better I look. Thank you. Now get
to work on the debate location/time and stop worrying about my
celebrity.

The time stamps which formerly showed the exact time of day the post was made now only show the date, but when I looked at it long ago in the old format it showed the following post came in about 10-15 minutes after the last one:

Since it appears my rsing1111 identity has been terminated for some
reason from freevpfree, I'm using the one given me a few days ago by
aces_hii. The only importance is that I'm waiting for Dick to set up
the debate, and I have to return the use of this address to the owner
on the east coast tonight. If it gets terminated by the administrator,
my address is rsinger1111@...

What Rob doesn't mention here is that Yahoo is not a "message board" or "forum"; it's a list serve. When you post the message it does post to a board, but it also is emailed to everyone who subscribes to it as well. And that means once you post, you can't edit it because everyone has already seen the original. I suspect Rob got the email copy and realized his mistake and then scrambled to cover his fanny.

That "return" of the account never happened. A total of 104 posts were made by Aces_Hii, ending in October of 2005.

The post prior to Rob's "announcement" contained comments about his column, solidifying the fact that it was indeed Rob. That post also stated:

Sitting and making up theories that I post under other id's, especially when making you look like a fool (which is a bonus beyond enjoyment) is just another of your boring past times.

should go down in the annals of internet posting as one of the most hilarious posts ever made for using an alias to rebut someone claiming you use an alias.

So Rob's claim that "I've never posted anything anywhere under any other alias unless I first clearly identified it as me." is demonstrably false. Of course everyone is free to make their own decision as to if his claim of "borrowing" an account is true and if this was a lone incident, but that doesn't alter the fact that in this case he did indeed make posts under an alias he did not announce ahead of time. The fact that his "disclosure" was likely made only because there was no way to edit his earlier posts that were sent via email, as well as the fact that making a new account at Yahoo if his other one had been removed is a simple proposition, makes his version of the events rather dubious.

So now we can look forward to Rob telling me how "deep he is in my head", (Yuck. I try to think as little as possible about him but DO always enjoy being able to present to others information that they may not be aware of that show his true colors). How he didn't read it because I wasn't concise, (It's 95% your posts Rob, I wrote very little and the main purpose was to make sure it was posted in a 2nd location so it would stay around in perpetuity where more and more people could relish in your antics). And how I had to spend hours and hours making the post, (cut and past Rob. Learn to use it. The entire thing took very little time).

Or maybe he'll come up with some new insults, but history suggests his book of tricks is pretty thin.

[Rob.Singer]

Exactly as predicted--a ton of assertions by someone who'll do anything to scratch their unending itch over me, although I only needed to read the first para. You actually also were genuinely hurt by the pictures I took inside my home. Your one comment hinted at it.

Your head still spinning spock?

[coach belly]

Besides the Bellyesque comments sprinkled throughout this diatribe

So now we can look forward to Rob telling me how "deep he is in my head"

There are obviously many people living deep in your head.

Are you claiming that I am Rob Singer?

[coach belly]

coach belly lives in a different area of the country than manoftroy2525. I don't believe they are the same person.

Of course we're not the same person.

The donkey is mentally ill...just take a look at the Pretty Horses forum and you'll get the picture.

BTW...did he ever send you the forum maintenance fee?

[Rob.Singer]

Coach: Spock, arci, and a few others believe ANYBODY who has ever agreed with and/or supported anything about my vp play &success, my GT articles and books, my posts on the internet etc., has to be me because they just can't fathom or accept anyone other than me can think for themselves.

And you should see the comments these idiots make once someone provides proof that they're not me. Even in the face of that proof, they stumble thru a continuation of denial. It's actually one of the reasons I enjoy doing this.

[coach belly]

Spock, arci...idiots

You got that right...this is really ridiculous.

Are you willing to participate in a conference call to put this same-person nonsense to rest?

You, me & Alan or Todd or both.

[Rob.Singer]

Of course. Alan has my numbers and I've even posted them here a month ago. But if a hater/critic doesn't want to believe proven reality, they never will. Arci is the best example of all.

You should know, the biggest and most painful wound these people feel is when someone doesn't buy into their plethora of lies, spins, and unsupported assertions they make about me.

[LoneStarHorse]

Coach Belly

You are still peeing in the wind.. I've never been involved with Pretty Horses Forum, the name "hesnotmypres" isn't me.. Probably one of your many made up screen names...

Oh yeah I will be in Atlantic City this Friday-Monday I'm sure you're too busy to meet up.
Since you're maybe a Gold Card holder I'll open your eyes to what the Seven Star lounge at Caesars looks like.

Current line on you showing up 99/1

Of course we're not the same person.

The donkey is mentally ill...just take a look at the Pretty Horses forum and you'll get the picture.

BTW...did he ever send you the forum maintenance fee?

[a2a3dseddie]

And that statement is a direct, and completely documented, lie.

Everything is available at Yahoo. If anyone doesn't have an account there, get one. It's easy, free and only takes a few minutes, (which helps to show that Rob's claim he "borrowed" the alias of someone else because his account stopped working is ludicrous).

This is long, (mostly consisting of Rob's posts), but since there is no way of knowing how long Yahoo will stay alive I thought it might be appropriate to post the history here. It's also great to have a single URL that anyone can point to in the future that shows it; just hover over the post number on the top right and bookmark it. And if anyone decides to read the original's over at Yahoo you might want to post a confirmation here of the accuracy.

This shows the entire posting history of "Aces_Hii":

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/...false&count=10

Scroll down to the bottom for the first post.

The following is the entire sequence leading up to where Rob announced he was "borrowing" the Aces_Hii account, 13 posts starting with his first one. There are scores more after that; 104 in total.

My comments and/or emphasis interspersed as necessary.

June 16, 2005


June 17, 2005


(Part "C" is in response to Dick's statement "Finally, just how are you and RS related? If you can't answer this qustion honestly then don't bother replying at all." The same, or similar response can be found in virtually every forum where Rob was accused of using an alias.)

June 17, 2005


Jun3 18, 2005


(Besides the Bellyesque comments sprinkled throughout this diatribe, this dialog has that oh-so-commonly used phrase "Peeling down the onion". Who uses that? Rob seems to like it, using it here, and here, and here.)

June 18, 2005


June18, 2005


(keep this "meeting" in mind when we go forward a few months)

June18, 2005


June 19, 2005


June19, 2005


This was the last post until he replied to what appears to be a post by Elliot Shapiro on September 9th, 2005:


This is reminiscent of the infamous Jatki "I met him once"/"I never met him" posts, but in this case he stated "I met him in New Orleans and he showed me a few things. Now when I play vp, I rarely go home without more than I started with" but 6 months later writes "I tried and also couldn't at low level machines, so I contacted him and he met up with me in Laughlin. When I was made aware of all the non-expert plays his strategies require, I just didn't have the time to follow through on it and I gave up."

On September 12, 2005 Aces_Hii seems to sound a lot more like Rob:


Later that same day, Rob seems to have completely forgotten he's using that alias, (although the vitriol seems consistent with earlier posts), and writes this:


The time stamps which formerly showed the exact time of day the post was made now only show the date, but when I looked at it long ago in the old format it showed the following post came in about 10-15 minutes after the last one:


What Rob doesn't mention here is that Yahoo is not a "message board" or "forum"; it's a list serve. When you post the message it does post to a board, but it also is emailed to everyone who subscribes to it as well. And that means once you post, you can't edit it because everyone has already seen the original. I suspect Rob got the email copy and realized his mistake and then scrambled to cover his fanny.

That "return" of the account never happened. A total of 104 posts were made by Aces_Hii, ending in October of 2005.

The post prior to Rob's "announcement" contained comments about his column, solidifying the fact that it was indeed Rob. That post also stated:

should go down in the annals of internet posting as one of the most hilarious posts ever made for using an alias to rebut someone claiming you use an alias.

So Rob's claim that "I've never posted anything anywhere under any other alias unless I first clearly identified it as me." is demonstrably false. Of course everyone is free to make their own decision as to if his claim of "borrowing" an account is true and if this was a lone incident, but that doesn't alter the fact that in this case he did indeed make posts under an alias he did not announce ahead of time. The fact that his "disclosure" was likely made only because there was no way to edit his earlier posts that were sent via email, as well as the fact that making a new account at Yahoo if his other one had been removed is a simple proposition, makes his version of the events rather dubious.

So now we can look forward to Rob telling me how "deep he is in my head", (Yuck. I try to think as little as possible about him but DO always enjoy being able to present to others information that they may not be aware of that show his true colors). How he didn't read it because I wasn't concise, (It's 95% your posts Rob, I wrote very little and the main purpose was to make sure it was posted in a 2nd location so it would stay around in perpetuity where more and more people could relish in your antics). And how I had to spend hours and hours making the post, (cut and past Rob. Learn to use it. The entire thing took very little time).

Or maybe he'll come up with some new insults, but history suggests his book of tricks is pretty thin.

That's some great "investigative reporting" Spock. I checked out some of the links. VERY interesting...Wonder how this will be "spun"?

[redietz]

Rob doesn't need spin. He has carte blanche here. What would he have to do for there to be any consequence? Have a mystery storage locker with evidence of hot and cold machines? "Misspeak" regarding whether he plays wild card machines? Post as someone else as a "prank?" Have a group of students who hang out with the Priory of Sion? Claim people he doesn't like are dead for reasons he thinks he knows, even if they are alive? If Alan wanted to investigate Rob's credibility, he would have surveyed some professional mathematicians. Who knows, maybe he has, but just failed to mention the opinions. Speaking of which, there were three mathematicians who allegedly liked Rob's systems -- their names lost to the wind, of course. Names, addresses, tax returns, all lost to the wind.

Rob has his imprimatur on this site. That's the way Alan wants it, and it's his site.

This site is like "The Onion Meets Charles Fort."

[Alan Mendelson]

For the umpteenth time Rob has stated his special plays are at a disadvantage to conventional holds. Redietz what do you want the math experts to comment on? They'll say the same thing Rob said.

Regarding Rob's credibility? I leave that for forum members to decide themselves.

[Rob.Singer]

And you forgot that one GLARING point red...the point about you, your claims, and your never once providing any evidence of any of it. Yet you get away with such silly antics without even a slap on the wrist.

You lucky dog......

[Alan Mendelson]

And you forgot that one GLARING point red...the point about you, your claims, and your never once providing any evidence of any of it. Yet you get away with such silly antics without even a slap on the wrist.

You lucky dog......

Actually redietz sends me a lot of "proof" by Private Message. I don't know why he won't post these things on the forum. I won't.

[Rob.Singer]

Pretty clear he knows you won't post private stuff. Maybe he has a thing about impressing you? But no one else believes a thing about him other than how good he is at making 90% of his posts a meaningless rant about me. It's almost like he's spock in drag....

How do you get on the good side of a high rolling character like that?