Been trying to learn the game of craps, is there a proper etiquette while playing ?
Been trying to learn the game of craps, is there a proper etiquette while playing ?
Yes there is but it is rarely practiced. The number one rule that is no longer in effect is to buy in at the start of a new shooter's turn with the dice.
Later that changed to a new come out roll even with the same shooter.
Now it's a free for all.
You gave me an idea for an article on my website. Thanks for asking.
I started to work on the article. It's going to be long and detailed. http://alanbestbuys.com/id422.html
Thank you
Is the Big 6 & 8 bet a good one ?
'Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
This looks like a really good article. I want to take my time with it. Even though I do not know the game, I want to learn the etiquette. Two of my best friends are serious craps players, and I want to be able to see what they're seeing when they play.
NO!!!!!!!!!!!!Originally Posted by HardEight
I just added more to it. It's really long. And I have more to add. As you read it, please refresh the page to be sure you have the latest. I would also appreciate additional comments.
regarding Big 6 and Big 8 -- this has nothing to do with etiquette. The problem with these bets is that they pay even money. If you place the 6 or 8 with the dealer you will be paid better than even money when they hit.
The reason players will bet Big 6 is that they might not have a full bet for the place-6. For example: you are at a $5 table. You can make the big 6 bet for $5 and if it hits you are paid $5. But if you make the place-6 bet for $6 you will be paid $7. Some casinos might pay you $6 for a $5 bet on the place-6. Ask them.
Your article is very informative
A very good overview of general craps etiquette. I'd like to suggest that you add the fact that place bets are paid from the center to the hook, and pass line bets are paid from the hook to the center. If the bettor plans to change any of their bets, you wait your turn to be paid and then tell the dealer what you want to do. Dealers appreciate this consideration, it actually speeds up the game, and prevents bets being incorrectly placed. Nothing more irritating to me that players "swarming" the dealer as soon as a number is called.Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
I never noticed this before. I always thought that the order of payment for "numbers" was come bets first, then place bets. I hadn't noticed if the pays started from the hook or the position closest to the stick.Originally Posted by BYLee291
thanks.
I added a new section to the article called "Wait Your Turn" to discuss this.
Keep the ideas coming.
Last edited by Alan Mendelson; 03-07-2016 at 11:51 PM.
I'm thinking about this, because I only occasionally play come bets. As I recall, when a place number is rolled, first, they move any come bets to the box, then pick up any don't comes, then they pay come bets and then place bets. The place bets are paid from the stick to the hook. They always pick up all losing bets first to make sure nothing "happens" to them. The inside proposition bets are paid last. I don't remember where in the sequence field bets are paid.Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
When a point number hits, they pay from the hook to the stick.
Regarding your comments about raising bets, when I first started playing and I wasn't sure, I asked a dealer to explain: I was told when you "press" a bet, that's a full doubling of whatever you have down. If you say "up one unit on the....," then that is a $5 or $6 increase on a place number, even on a $10 or $15 table. You can work out a different value for the "unit" with the dealer, but they tell me they assume the smallest amount. A parlay, I think, is upping the bet with all the winnings, which I've never done before. Occasionally, I'll still say "press" instead of "up one unit," and the dealer will invariably double it up. This was when I was learning and playing $5 and $10 tables. I have no doubt, though, the different casinos interpret all these differently.
Alan--I may have missed it as I skimmed the article or you may not have covered it. One of my pet peeves as to etiquette---don't get your hands in the way!!!
I hate when people have their hands hanging over the table and then try to jump back if the dice are coming at them. Just keep your hands above the rail. I have been known to throw a high hard one at someone's head if they refuse to hold their hands up.
Similarly, there's the guy that usually has no idea how to play the game but he knows more than his completely ignorant friend. So he is explaining the game and pointing at things on the table with, again, his hands in the way. If you are explaining the game, please keep your hands above the rail.
Finally--there are the people that have to keep a ridiculous amount of chips in their hand rather than on the rail. Of course, they drop some chips, usually right when the dice are thrown. So now he reaches in to grab the chips so you have his hands and the loose chips getting in the way of the shooter and/or the dice. Every table has a rail with grooves for your chips. Please use it.
Great point regarding not putting your chips in the shooters sweet spot. When I was a shooter, we always had one guy stand in the corner to which I threw so that there was no pass, odds or buy bet on the 4 in my sweet spot. One time a guy came to the table in the middle of a good roll that I was having and put his pass and odds where my partner's spot should have been. I asked him to move it over and he said "no--I want my chips here". The next throw broke his glasses!!! Probably not the best etiquette on my part but oh so rewarding to me.
I know very little about playing craps, but this article seems to make a lot of sense. I also like the idea if keeping hands & chips out of the way of the shooter and away from the so-called sweet spots. Whether or not there's contact, it's gotta be annoying.
That guy Jerry Stickman should comment on this thread. I sent him an email yesterday on why his recent vp article had a lot of holes in it.
Dealer takes losing bets first. Don't come then come then field, in that order, only if they are losers. On non-losers, field then DC then come. If you have a come bet for players 1 & 3 (on come line), and players 2 & 4 have a come bet with odds (or without odds) on the 6, and 6 is rolled, then #1 come gets moved to 6, then #2 is paid, then #3 is moved, then #4 is paid, then place bets are paid. Where player #1 is closest to the stick and the last player is closest to the base dealer.
Different casinos pay off prop bets differently. The side where the dice land should always be paid first, though. One way is where the player closest to the base dealer gets paid first, and then the guy next to him, looping around to the stick dealer. For the other side, some places continue paying players in the same looping pattern, starting at the player next to the stick and ending at the player next to the base dealer. So it's like a big circle, starting and ending at the box person. Some places pay next to base first and then move towards the stick (first on the side the dice land), and then start over next to the base (on the side where shooter is) and work their way towards the stick. And the third way prop bets are paid at some places, is to start next to the stick and work towards the base dealer. Once one side is finished, then the player next to stick is paid (on the opposite side), and again work towards the base dealer.
1) Base to stick, base to stick
2) base to stick, stick to base
3) stick to base, stick to base
When asking a dealer to press or do something with place bets (or prop bets), is best to wait until right after the player before you has been paid. Don't wait until the dealer cuts out your chips to ask for a press or something, since sometimes the dealer will cut out chips differently based on if they're paying you or if you're pressing (or pressing by a certain amount).
Say you have a $24 6 and 8. If you get paid, normally they'll either give you 1 green + 3 whites (or 5 red + 3 white). If you want to press to $30, they'll cut out 1 green + 1 red, take $2 off your $24 bet, and give you the $22 change. If you want to press your 6 and 8 to $30 each (a good dealer) will cut out 2 greens + 1 red ($55), take $3 from the 6 or 8 and stack it on the other (making it $27), moving the $27 to the box (i.e.: "$55 for $27"), take the $21 on the 6 or 8, drop a red in the come, and give you the $16 change (3 red and 1 white).
Helps the dealers pay quicker while keeping everything a lot neater and less work for the dealer, also making sure you don't end up with $20 in whites when you may only need $5-10 in whites.
Because of the inconsistency in what "press" means, and what a "unit" means, I have learned to say "go to" $300, or go to $210 or whatever the exact amount I want to increase my bet to. And as RS says, before the dealer starts cutting out the payment so that he can adjust.
Casinos here in Illinois still have a box man, but the overall etiquette and flow of the game has still suffered. May be a statement about people in general having no etiquette or concern for anyone else but themselves. It is one reason I always try to play at a higher level game where there is a choice of table denominations, although I have had a great time at the old Binions 25 cent tables (do they still have them) in the past.
Regnis I added a section to the article called Watch Your Hands, Watch The Dice.
Last edited by Alan Mendelson; 03-08-2016 at 08:20 PM.
Just updated the article with a rather lengthy section on tipping. Everyone except Rob Singer is welcomed to comment. :-)
Alan-- I'm not sure but I thought I read that the appellate court overturned the Wynn suits participation rule.
edited to add:
Yep here it is
http://www.reviewjournal.com/busines...wynn-las-vegas
Last edited by regnis; 03-20-2016 at 04:14 PM.
True. But there are still casinos where dealer tips go to the suits. For example, the California card casinos. When you tip a poker dealer he will share his tips with suits, and cleaners, and chip runners and other people who are not regularly tipped.Originally Posted by regnis
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