Beginner VP

[Rob.Singer]

And this would mean -- what exactly? That his system has frequent small winners? Gee, I've never heard of a system like that!

Are you too afraid to say the entire truth....that in addition to the many small winners there are some big winners? Have you ever heard of THAT one??

[Alan Mendelson]

Rob don't waste your time. These are the same people who on the WOV forum are asking questions about playing 500 tier points and getting a 125 point bonus.

[Rob.Singer]

Bet $400-600 and you'll get session results of +/- $3K. A card counter does not just play 1 hand for a session, he plays many hands. Same with any other player at any other game.

Logic is not your best suit, is it? Rob's system has a loss-limit, right? So -- how does quitting when you're down $60-70K winning money? According to your logic, this is a legitimate point. (Hint: Neither your question nor mine are valid.)

I have no interest in meeting Rob, let alone playing next to him or "learning" anything from him.

You can't even explain what you say you do right.

You play BJ a hand at a time. Same as VP. THat's what Alan was saying. And in BJ there's no big jackpot winners, whereas there are multiple ones in VP. Your density astonishes the masses.

OF COURSE you don't want to learn the truth at a casino machine because you know you'd have to eat your silliness, and expose yourself for who you are. That armchair gambling would come to a screeching halt!

[Rob.Singer]

More BS. So you sit at a $25 table and then suddenly jump to $500 when the count is good? No wonder you are banned in every casino in Vegas. BS 100%.

He doesn't respond well to the truth.

[RS__]

More BS. So you sit at a $25 table and then suddenly jump to $500 when the count is good? No wonder you are banned in every casino in Vegas. BS 100%.

Who said I was banned from every casino in Vegas? I don't think I'm legally banned from any property....although a few I'm a bit shaky on, and probably won't return, at least for a while.

And no, I don't jump straight from $25 to $500. Ya gotta be more subtle than that!

10% edges that are "too secret" to identify. You play "big money" yet you have a very low income job. That my vp winning and strategy are garbage.

You get it now?

I don't play "big money", unless you consider a top bet of $500 in blackjack or $5 denom in VP to be "big money". Dealing craps has never been, nor is, nor will be (I hope it won't be, at least) any significant part of my income. And -- I'm not stupid, at least I don't think I am -- but I sure as hell ain't gonna give any kind of details on anything with a significant edge. Why would I do that?

Rob don't waste your time. These are the same people who on the WOV forum are asking questions about playing 500 tier points and getting a 125 point bonus.

I don't remember asking about earning 500 TC to get 125 bonus TC...although I could be mistaken.

[Alan Mendelson]

Of course youre not banned because you don't play $500 a hand and you probably don't even play $25 a hand. And you certainly would be banned if you jumped from $25 a hand to $500 a hand. I know that. And I do consulting for two Vegas casino companies -- not for gaming but I think I know more than you do.

[RS__]

Of course youre not banned because you don't play $500 a hand and you probably don't even play $25 a hand. And you certainly would be banned if you jumped from $25 a hand to $500 a hand. I know that. And I do consulting for two Vegas casino companies -- not for gaming but I think I know more than you do.

You do consulting for 2 LV casino companies? Does your consulting have anything to do with game protection?

I concede -- you know a whole hell of a lot more than I do about game protection, what'll get you thrown out or banned from a property, how to win at blackjack and other casino games, etc. The all powerful and all knowing Alan has spoken.

[Alan Mendelson]

No. My consulting is with marketing and advertising.

[quahaug]

Typical stupid qua suggestion.

How many times does it take to understand that the yearly win goal is not based on greed, and the goal of every session is to win at least the min. amount, then enjoy the winnings and live a normal life for the rest of the week. Playing too much in a short period of time lessens motivation & abilities. Casino rats lose, because they're doing exactly what the casinos want them to do. Professional poker players almost always end up broke. Why? Because they can't stay away from the action, and the more action the less sharp they become.

So it takes a week to recover from the strain of implementing one session your system. I can buy that. I didn't realize there was a physical/mental limit to how much you can make in a given period of time. What if you hit your win goal on your first hand or within a couple of minutes? Do you still have to have some recovery time? If so would it be less than a week?

[Alan Mendelson]

Quahaug what makes you think that if Rob reached a win goal in the first ten minutes that he will hit another win goal after taking a piss ten minutes later?

I think Rob is looking at reality that big wins are few. He takes 'em and leaves.

Remember when I hit my big royal and kept playing? So many of you "math guys" criticized me for not leaving immediately. Now you are suggesting that Rob should keep playing after he hits a win goal? Make up your minds.

[Rob.Singer]

So it takes a week to recover from the strain of implementing one session your system. I can buy that. I didn't realize there was a physical/mental limit to how much you can make in a given period of time. What if you hit your win goal on your first hand or within a couple of minutes? Do you still have to have some recovery time? If so would it be less than a week?

There's been one time that I hit a royal on my very first hand, on dollars of course, and it was after checking in for full RFB at Bellagio--which as everyone should know is quite the deal.

What did I do? It was a no-brainer. I took the cash hand pay, left no tip as usual, went up to the room, grabbed my stuff and drove straight home. No second thoughts, no regrets, no problem.

In my method of play, there's no fooling around. You either do what the pre-determined plan says or you lose. Yes there's the constant criticisms of disbelief and moaning from most others, but guess how much it matters when you get home and count the cash once again before depositing it. And the time between that visit to the bank and next week's trip to NV.? You feel like a king, free of the woes of employment and having to be at a place of work everyday at a specific time, and not caring one bit about all the hassles being experienced in traffic by the working stiffs as I lie in bed quietly enjoying my success. Much like I do now in retirement.

Are you feeling me now?

[regnis]

If you win and leave, and come back next week or tomorrow or in an hour and you win and leave, you are a WINNER!!!!. Math or not, +EV or -EV, if you leave with more than you came with, you are a winner.

So if Rob does that, who are any of us to tell him he should keep playing or play more. The whole idea behind his system is NOT to spend a lot of time in the casino. But if anyone wants to try his system and quit for 5 minutes or 5 days or 5 months--go ahead. Track your results and let's see what happens. Oh wait---what if it works??

[Rob.Singer]

I almost feel like PAYING these clowns to train them on the art of leaving as a winner, or just advising them over a cup of tea....

[RS__]

I almost feel like PAYING these clowns to train them on the art of leaving as a winner, or just advising them over a cup of tea....

I'm starting to get the idea that Rob believes his own lies.....oh dear..

[whodat]

Interesting conversation. I would love to read about Rob's strategy. If and when I get around to playing VP, I am definitely a hit and run guy. I don't like slots in general but would be ok with setting aside a small amount of my bank roll to see if I can hit something. Otherwise then it will be another time.

I am actually heading to LV this weekend so it's too late to buy a VP book to read on the airplane. Oh well. Any "quick and dirty" strategies? I will be playing at Aria, Mirage, Caesars, Palace Station (l like their oyster bar), Harrah's, Planet Hollywood.

[Alan Mendelson]

Whodat on www.alanbestbuys.com there is a big section on Rob's special plays including video explanations and a 15 minute interview with Rob. Look down the index on the left side.

[Bill Yung]

The best thing you can do with gambling is to assume the position that all gambling is harmful as, ultimately, a non-treatable addiction. In general, that it's all just a microcosm of life outside the casino. Some people have the upper hand while others enjoy, nay, insist on supporting them. No surprise that the modern gambling boom or expansion over the last few decades has occurred across new populations (which haven't yet built up a natural immunity to the phenomenon).

Then, everything gets better. Your outlook on life, and your life, itself. Not to mention the lives of the people around you. And, you can have some real fun studying it further at your leisure, if still compelled to do so, finally away from the sirens of the glorified carnival.

The most addicted are the so-called AP's. It's easy to bet freely, and "loose" a lot of money quickly. Several people doing thus is how each dealer makes a lot of money for a casino. But, when one guy tightens up to the point of watching every little dollar here and there, he stands to make no money, relatively speaking, even at a modest advantage. The concern for the casinos with the AP's is, in most cases except for "helping" to opening empty tables, they are of no value. Best to just go see what all the hype is, get your ass kicked a few times, and, hopefully, learn your lesson.

Though gambling specially marketed to the teens of today has made some small inroads in that segment of the population, the vast majority of teens now have become vicariously immune to gambling activities via the rather extreme effects gambling has had on our consecutive generations.

[whodat]

Thanks Alan. Will do

[whodat]

Bill,

I look at going to a casino as a form of entertainment. Some people will pay thousands of dollars to go watch the Super Bowl live, the NBA finals, the NCAA final four, or go to a play or concert. i would rather roll some bones and press my luck. If I were to lose that money (my bank roll for the trip), I would be ok with that because the money I set aside does not affect what I have to support my family. Having said that, I don't like to throw my money away on stupid bets either (at least not a big chunk of my bank roll).

[Rob.Singer]

The best thing you can do with gambling is to assume the position that all gambling is harmful as, ultimately, a non-treatable addiction. In general, that it's all just a microcosm of life outside the casino. Some people have the upper hand while others enjoy, nay, insist on supporting them. No surprise that the modern gambling boom or expansion over the last few decades has occurred across new populations (which haven't yet built up a natural immunity to the phenomenon).

Then, everything gets better. Your outlook on life, and your life, itself. Not to mention the lives of the people around you. And, you can have some real fun studying it further at your leisure, if still compelled to do so, finally away from the sirens of the glorified carnival.

The most addicted are the so-called AP's. It's easy to bet freely, and "loose" a lot of money quickly. Several people doing thus is how each dealer makes a lot of money for a casino. But, when one guy tightens up to the point of watching every little dollar here and there, he stands to make no money, relatively speaking, even at a modest advantage. The concern for the casinos with the AP's is, in most cases except for "helping" to opening empty tables, they are of no value. Best to just go see what all the hype is, get your ass kicked a few times, and, hopefully, learn your lesson.

Though gambling specially marketed to the teens of today has made some small inroads in that segment of the population, the vast majority of teens now have become vicariously immune to gambling activities via the rather extreme effects gambling has had on our consecutive generations.

Precisely why most casinos offer non-stop lucrative-sounding promotions. These are primarily geared towards the "AP's" because casinos know how these people just can't pass up anything that "theoretically" adds percentage points to a play before they go in, and that they will bring in tons of cash obtainable from anywhere possible. Just as the misled wizard says, it doesn't really matter whether you win or lose if you're making a +EV bet. Now you know why he ended up begging his forum members for cash. It just "didn't matter".... It's the old phantom bucks switch & bait. It gets them every time.