If this were true, then I'm still trying to figure out why AP's constantly get 86'd while guys like Alan and Rob are invited back day after day. Winners get the boot. Losers are always welcome.
Most AP's don't chase promos, gifts, etc., and don't use players cards.
Who says winners at video poker don't get booted? There are plenty of reports online about casinos that have booted video poker winners.
I personally was booted from NYNY and MGM for winning at craps. Bellagio also booted me -- but they later apologized for it and now I am welcome there and play there again.
Yes, tell your buddies on WOV that Alan Mendelson -- DICE SETTER -- was booted from MGM and NYNY. And I wasn't booted for delaying the game. I was booted for winning.
Many casinos have win threshold. I've seen it happen.Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
Ask yourself... "Why did Bellagio invite me back?"
Many years ago as a newbie card counter--and not that good at it- I was barred from a casino. More telling, however, is that at another casino I was no longer allowed to toss the dice. I was welcome to play any game, including craps, but I could not toss the dice. It was not due to any delays I was causing as I can set and throw within 2 seconds.
So yes--they can and do "bar' winners.
I know this question doesn't belong on this thread AND I have my doubts whether dice setting works at all, but I must ask this question. Alan, what is your go-to dice set if you don't mind answering.Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
Virtually all AP's are bums, loiterers, and petty crooks. Eg, scammers who hang around the internet. Note that lots of scammers have one higher degree of education or another. Nothing new.Originally Posted by jbjb
That's a pretty slanderous statement. Have any proof to back those claims up?Originally Posted by Bill Yung
Well, I suspected this.Originally Posted by jbjb
Look. The Wizard's site is valued by most online traffic sites at about $100 of standard advertising value a month. How then to explain the discrepancy of its alleged value, by seller and new owner, at over two million dollars? What is driving such a drastic difference, if this is to be believed? A lot of unexplained cash changing hands up the food chain.
http://www.siteworthtraffic.com/repo...ardofvegas.com
So in other words, you have no evidence to support your claims.
As far as I've known, I'm the only one who has ever published a copy of an "86ed" letter in the paper. I've also been blocked from playing at Harrahs LV, and had my slot card revoked at the Eldorado in Reno. I received written notice of both. Of course, AP's will blab day & night about others "they know" who were stopped, blocked, or thrown out of casinos far and wide (mickeycrimm is a believer in this fantasy because it fits his make believe narrative). Yet not one of these so-called AP's who supposedly got bumped by the casinos have ever offered one iota of proof that it happened. IE, they're full of it. And common sense dictates that you do not offer promotions that move theoreticals above 100%, and then toss the players they're geared towards.Originally Posted by jbjb
Even more proof that you & RS__ really have no clue into how the world of gaming works.
Bellagio apologized to me after the table crew gave me grief. Management said I did nothing wrong using a controlled throw. But for years I didn't return. I went back to Bellagio only late last year because of a big cash offer. I've been lucky there hitting the "ALL" at craps four times including twice with $25 on all three spots and hitting the video poker progressive for $31,005. No one gives me heat and yes I have a profit there.Originally Posted by jbjb
I wouldn't trust that siteworth valuation. I checked my site's value and stats and siteworth doesn't come close to my traffic or ad revenue from Google.
The casino games have been "engineered" by attrition over the last century. What worked best (for the casinos) is what you get now. A complementary collection of insidious machinations which "politely" grab every last dollar from the customers. Isn't it odd, eg, that the book sellers, and online casino supporters, tell blackjack AP's to play heads up? Isn't that what the casinos want, to entice others to step up to empty tables?Originally Posted by RS__
Ever wonder that the Wizard of Odds site has been mentioned maybe ten times since its inception in all of the gambling forums combined, including at the major sports and poker sites? A few persons mention the Vegas site, then anxious Wizard converts pipe up, "No, it was the Odds site which sold for millions. The Vegas site was "thrown in" for good measure, a relatively valueless offshoot." Corrected everywhere but on the supposedly flagship Odds site. And, from the beginning, it certainly seemed to me that traffic to that site was manipulated. Only the bloated and stupidly academically accredited stuff which Shackleford wrote, virtually to himself, registered on the search engines. Other sites with way more traffic at the time didn't block what other people had to say elsewhere. I was free to google all sorts of peripheral stuff about their agents and acquaintances. Irritating, and strange as hell.
The Wizard is the only one who talks about the Odds site, usually when he has another irrelevant and lame bookish-attempt at a page he wants "proofread" at the Vegas site. Numerous silly errors argued about, of zero consequence to similarly silly people, before silently relegated to the Odds cliff of death. Deader than Latin, no one even writes it. Who wants to read about various murky changes in baccarat rules over the last millennium around the world? Or what happens when you take a five of clubs out of the deck. Surely, anyone who plays serious poker won't be found logging in there over and over again. I went maybe four or five times five years ago. A poorly constructed and referenced site with no literary or worthy content. Just some socially awkward guy wallowing around in the dark with boring, common place trivia as a dance partner. Or stuff which is so obscure as to be a silly waste of time. Shackleford tried the serious route, went broke with it without sponsors, then opened the Vegas site to try to get some online casino to sponsor also the Odds site. (Likely, his old career criminal drug buddy set it up.) From reality, to reality-tv internet... famous for being famous. But the gangly Shackleford (his head is too big for his body, and his hands jerk around violently,) had less aptitude for that. Worse off, he landed himself in the middle, unable to return to something of real value. Corrupted for life. Basically, from what I can tell, stuck with a bunch of lies and scams. The site has become so toxic with closed-mindedness and bias, there's no longer any value in participating at all. Like talking to LarryS on the Gamblers' Glen. Why? Mentally disturbed ramblings about what was said five years ago about the planet Xenon.
So, it's not always even a matter of evidence presented. You have to look around, and ask what's missing with the self-styled successful career man, and expert adviser on all things, Shackleford. No one, let alone anyone of real repute even knows that he exists. Go read his own auto-biographical blurb on wiki. Scammers do this. Then go read a professional person's resume, like Alan's, or a department head's of a university. Go read a real math paper. We're comparing a juvenile kid to fully productive adults who have achieved tangible universal acclaim in their respective fields.
Shackleford, like any other cultish figure, pits his people against the universe. Oh, the nasty religious fervor of the system players. They make us look good. Oh, the math haters. Oh, the trolls who question flaky eminence and censorship. Oh, can't stop gambling, everyone's a helplessly addicted gambler and penny pincher. They are going to grind away at it anyway, so why not "smartly" at scholastically "approved" online casinos. You never know what a lot of the "clones" over there have their fingers in. (Reminds of a now defunct site where a guy was promoting a baccarat system free of charge, but encouraged donations to a couple of online charities which he had set up days before.)
It's easier to fool a smart man than a stupid one. He possesses the imagination to see value in the truly ridiculous. Can a backwards and deficient wannabe (pretend) mathematician beat the casinos? And make millions in the process on a gawdy internet site where everyone constantly bickers about whose underwear is tighter. Like every visibly scamming site which claims to help the gullible get a leg up, NOBODY makes a thin dime. (One whining gay guy with family troubles still just claims he makes $100,000 one year, then $25,000, then $175,000 at low-limit blackjack. Hops from casino to casino after spreading once to a higher bet, to stay under the radar. OMG, how to make tens of thousands of bets like that a year? Such a swing in earnings is mathematically virtually impossible for such small, measured bets (in vain in any case). And the guy says, "Oh, you don't believe me? I don't have to respond to that sort of treatment." Lol, if people could reliably make a meaningful living out of pieces of cardboard and plastic in air-conditioned comfort all day long, and all that friendly company to boot, no one would bother to run for president. Nirvana. Graceland. Bring out the virgin pixies.
All of those AP computer simulations. Don't explain the sorts of Kelly criterion schemes, in which you might find your $100,000 play money down to $1,000 over six months, and the bet now at $5 a hand for the next two years to get back to even $10 bets. You'll never go broke that way, technically speaking, but you'll likely come darn close to it a few times before a computer in Shackleford's basement reassures you that in ten lifetimes of play you will likely have enough to retire on. (Thorp cautioned that a stocks investor must expect to make tens of millions of transactions to use this sort of sure fire approach.) Nor is it explained how removing even the slightest of ongoing living expenses completely kills, or fatally compromises, such a simulation. I've played a bit of blackjack too, seen people roll in, and out of Vegas a week later, after they almost immediately see how plainly dismal a chance at a meaningful living there. No possibility of maintaining physical or psychological well-being on the way to something better. Once you hit forty, you soon realize that the penny pinching approach is a young man's folly. Becoming successful enough to get yourself repeatedly booted out, and kicked back to square one, ain't easy.
Gambling has always been a shady affair. Crooked poker players, pickpockets, sleazy gimmicks, people with lingering toothaches on the rails. It's going to take ten times the normal amount of proof to turn something like that around. It was never a valid mainstream entity. You can try to trick sensible persons into shifting the burden of proof on themselves, claim that it comes down to either science or religion, and compare yourself to even bigger fools.
You are still stuck with you. As long as you don't ask, "Why should I gamble," and just assume the "gambling is as useless as tits on a bull" stance to begin with, you will never COMPLETELY see the trees for the forest. The Devil's advocate doesn't have to fear the Devil.
I only use the cross-sixes and its because it favors the outside numbers. The farther I can stay away from 7 the better.Originally Posted by whodat
It also has helped me with the Small, Tall, All bets. I've hit the ALL four times at Bellagio and you can't hit any of the Small, Tall, All without hitting the horn numbers. So using the cross sixes has worked just fine for me.
Here's my resume: there is nothing about being a professional gambler, or even a gambling expert:Originally Posted by Bill Yung
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One other basic thing I forgot to mention: Over betting an edge with Kelly - the proved optimal betting scheme in 99% of money management applications - by overestimating it, as you don't have a program to go by in say a poker game which tells you your exact edge in each spot... is disasterous. The one thing which kills a positive expectation game. Knowledgeable players provide for a hefty margin of error.
Thorp noted also that Kelly, fundamentally about lowering the bet after a loss, and raising after a win, has the built-in flaw of winning less than losing on each pair of loss and win over the long run. You have to make small jabby bets (as a Kelly percent of your stake) which come in reasonable win rates for the varying, usually small in a casino, edges to overcome the "win less than lose" aspect. Thorp's now-defunct investment company made a hundred million for his wealthy clients in this relatively simple way. But he knew when and how to apply Kelly. He just never got over the gambling urge to experiment into unconventional practices.
Someone actually found a way to defeat Kelly, in the very obscure math journals. But simply being cheated by a dealer/opponent a few key times will kill it at lightning speed.
P.S. I see Mickey on another drunken essay over at Gamblingforums.com. Lol.
And Blackjacktheforum.com
False.Originally Posted by jbjb
That's only true of blackjack APs, or APs engaging in any other behavior which will get them barred.
But many other AP strategies, including many centered around video poker, require the use of a player's card to be effective.
Check out my poker forum, and weekly internet radio show at http://pokerfraudalert.com
Yep, and once figured out, they're cut off and sometimes barred. Usually it starts with being cut off from mail. Unless you consult for the casinos...
A friend was just booted from a major property for vulturing. Casinos are cracking down on ALL AP play.
I can understand why a player would be cut off from vulturing... when that's all they do. If you ran a casino would you want someone wandering around for an hour between making a single bet? I think people like that could be viewed as crooks waiting to rob someone. Even at Caesars they don't want people watching craps or blackjack too long. They might be there to steal.
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