On/off casino play strategy to generate offers

[Alan Mendelson]

Seemoreroyals your experience has nothing to do with what Dan told us.

[seemoreroyals]

Alan if you look at Dan's original post in the last paragraph you will notice that my experience has everything to do with what Dan told us. If we did not work the CET system to our advantage we would easily give up a minimum of $10,000 in benefits each year.

[Alan Mendelson]

Don't be ridiculous. Here's what you told us:

Each year we time our play to get me past Diamond card level

There's a hell of a difference between you getting to Diamond and a player putting on only 1,000 tier points.

About twice a year she plays on my card. When she does all of a sudden my card goes from little to no activity to over 2500 tc's plus bonus in one night.

Another huge difference between you and Dan's buddy: he gets amazing free play offers with only 1,000 tier points.

I get almost the same giveaway offers as she does. This past September they were giving away laptops and even though I was barely over 15,000 tc's at the time and my wife was over 150,000 I we both got laptops.

Again, what the F does this have to do with what Dan's buddy got? Absolutely nothing.

Dan told us about some guy who shows up -- gets 1,000 tier points -- and gets the world handed to him on a silver platter.

[Alan Mendelson]

So that there is no confusion, these are the key claims in Dan's original post. I would like even ONE PERSON to tell me they got as much for only 1,000 tier points as a new player:

1) Rick got a new Total Rewards card (he didn't have one yet), ran about $10,000 of coin-in on a fairly good (but not great) VP game in Vegas, and then stopped playing.

2) This plan worked. Rick got a lot of nice offers and redeemed them. This included several freeplays of as much as $500 (about 2 weeks apart each), an NCL cruise with an inside stateroom, show tickets, a room on New Year's Eve, etc.

Also remember Dan posted that his friend "lost" only about $1,400. So it's not like he dumped the entire ten-grand on one outing and Caesars felt sorry for him.

[seemoreroyals]

Alan, my comments were in reference to the last paragraph of Dan's original post. I did not say my efforts to work the system were the same as his friend that only gets 1000 points. I said it was similar. There is nothing ridiculous about it. It works. Again, please reread Dan's original post and in particular read the last paragraph.

[RS__]

Alan, you must'a missed my post re: other people's experience with this. Have you ignored me posts? :-(

[Alan Mendelson]

Alan, my comments were in reference to the last paragraph of Dan's original post. I did not say my efforts to work the system were the same as his friend that only gets 1000 points. I said it was similar. There is nothing ridiculous about it. It works. Again, please reread Dan's original post and in particular read the last paragraph.

I am just talking about Dan's post and his claims about this player getting all that he said he got for only 1,000 tier points. We've all gotten some "extras" along the way at various casinos. Some can be attributed to being off the casino's radar for awhile, and some can be attributed to other things. We all have those experiences.

But I just can't believe what Dan reported. I just want to see one other player tell me they had the same experience of taking out a new card, putting on 1,000 tier points and then getting $1,000+ in free play, plus a cruise, plus NYE, plus show tickets and whatever else.

Some things just don't add up.

Seemoreroyals, you had 15,000 tier credits. You were a diamond player. You had a history. Of course you're going to get some unexpected offers. That's how players club works.

But Dan's report went over the top.

[Alan Mendelson]

I didn't do it, but I know someone who played about $10k-11k coin in on VP and received $1,800 in FP. Loss was between $100 to $200.

I read this. Now what do you want me to say?

I also interviewed four people who said their close friend was a nurse at the hospital where a guy took a hooker to his Vegas hotel room and then had his kidney cut out. Yet, not one of those four people could give me the name of their friend.

[Bill Yung]

If you duplicate those variables, I think you'll see something like what he experienced.

Therein lies the problem. You could optimize the heck out of simple-minded approaches like this. How about, eg, insert only $100 bills, to give the impression of a high roller? (Like I did during my own, relatively, short stint with gambling a long time ago - when you got a "gold card" for the works - between shuffle-ups.)

Casinos have their own, likely rather simple, rules for these things, give or take some flukes. Different people working on different days.

Story one. Once, I had two hundred each on separate bets at blackjack. Dealer ace, I insured; dealer had a ten in the hole. Good play or bad play, who cares? Lots of tens left, and I didn't feel like a huge swing in the chip outcome. And, as if the casino had sent the mailer the day before, a couple of days later was a food voucher for $100.

Story two, I was up about $23,000 after four months. Luck. Was beginning to interfere with my life, and I was getting tired of it. So, to start the new year off right, I went to the high roller room, and busted out in four hands of baccarat. The plan was to double up, and quit; or lose it all, and "go home" (and stay there). About four months later, the gold card was in the mail. Went about ten times over the next six months to entertain some out-of-town guests over dinner. Tried to use up some of the regular free buffets points beyond that, barely, but I think it was into the next Christmas before the remaining points were erased by the casino for inactivity.

Sure, I played a few hands here, and there, during and since, but "it" was over for me. Waste of time. Except for talking about it. No real problem. Lol.

[Bill Yung]

I also interviewed four people who said their close friend was a nurse at the hospital where a guy took a hooker to his Vegas hotel room and then had his kidney cut out. Yet, not one of those four people could give me the name of their friend.

Nobody sticks together, and divides and conquers, like the casinos.

[Alan Mendelson]

I missed this one, from Dan:

My friend redeemed the following after his $1400 loss:

- Thousands in freeplay, which he converted to thousands of real $

- A few nights at Paris Las Vegas for NYE

Now it isn't just a couple of $500 free play offers. No. Now it's "thousands in free play."

Sorry. BS meter has peaked in the red. I'm finished.

[redietz]

That meter had a long history of tone deafness, Mr. Mendelson, if you get my drift. Or has it been in for a tuneup recently?

[Alan Mendelson]

That meter had a long history of tone deafness, Mr. Mendelson, if you get my drift. Or has it been in for a tuneup recently?

I've already tuned you out.

[redietz]

Thanks for clarifying that. I would hate for anyone to think, given your gambling profile, that you actually listen to me.

[jbjb]

I would hate for anyone to think, given your gambling profile, that you actually listen to me.

Or anyone else for that matter.

[Alan Mendelson]

Thanks for clarifying that. I would hate for anyone to think, given your gambling profile, that you actually listen to me.

And there's a reason. Your "mission" here has been to attack Rob Singer from day 1. Rob is gone. I don't know where, but he's gone. I'm next on your hit list. I don't know who is next.

Your comments rarely include facts. You cite studies and constantly refer to the same study about addicted gaming as if that is supposed to answer all questions.

Here, in this thread. we have a claim that someone got a new players card from Total Rewards, earned 1,000 tier points and received "thousands in free play." You have never addressed that, and I think you missed the claim because anyone who read it would realize it just doesn't make sense.

No matter what books and studies you might quote, it just doesn't make sense. I'm not afraid to say it.

This has nothing to do with the idea that being absent from a casino might make a casino give you "come back offers." I have benefited from "come back offers." But what was posted here is just off the wall.

[Bill Yung]

I would hate for anyone to think, given your gambling profile, that you actually listen to me.

Nobody requires a "gambling profile" to discuss gambling. After all, being an expert at something won't help you with gambling; it will only keep you out of trouble with it.

[Alan Mendelson]

Nobody requires a "gambling profile" to discuss gambling. After all, being an expert at something won't help you with gambling; it will only keep you out of trouble with it.

I'm not exactly sure that's right. If you were an expert at card counting it certainly could help you win at blackjack. If you were an expert at dice control it certainly could help you win at craps. If you were an expert at the various skills in live poker it certainly could help you win. I think those are the only three games in a casino with some kind of "skill element."

[Bill Yung]

If you were an expert at card counting it certainly could help you win at blackjack. If you were an expert at dice control it certainly could help you win at craps. If you were an expert at the various skills in live poker it certainly could help you win. I think those are the only three games in a casino with some kind of "skill element."

If done with proficiency, "under the radar (of casinos and other players)", and while maintaining a life outside the casinos. Nobody wants to just "get by", worry about someone looking over their shoulders (all the time), and live alone in a dump while playing around on the internet gambling forums, which are of little to no consequence in the real world.

Paigowdan (a dealer, and fledgling(?) game creator, who posts at the Wizard's) seems to think that there are exploitable weak dealers all over the place. Really? When was the last time you saw a card flashed accidentally, 100% penetration (deck dealt out in blackjack) , and bets left out after losing? I once had a blackjack dealer who held the title for fastest dealer in the casino, and didn't skimp on reminding everyone. The bigger the bets, the faster he would deal. Another, who would yell and scream at players who were winning big to try to "set them off". Lol.

Every time some down-and-out casino dealer, slot-cart operator, player's card representative... wins, eg, a WSOP event, that's all you hear. Nothing about the other thousand or two who didn't get so lucky the one time out of hundreds of such events.

[Alan Mendelson]

When was the last time you saw a card flashed accidentally,

I look forward to jbjb's response to this. He has indicated he and his cronies make a lot of money doing this which is why he is a full time casino gambler... oops... I mean a full time casino advantage player.