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  1. #141
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    there are many dealer that DO flash every hand. You won't find many in Vegas
    As if the number of hands per hour only depends on the dealer,
    it doesn't matter how fast the players act.

    This kid's really come a long way.

    2 months ago he didn't even understand how freeplay works.

    Now he's compiled a nationwide list of the many dealers who deal 100 hands per hour,
    and flash hole cards on every hand.

    Before you know it, he'll be all growns up, and can move out of his mommy's basement.

  2. #142
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    The only thing is I can't imagine the dealers are that sloppy that these guys get to see many cards or slip-ups during play.
    There are no sloppy dealers anywhere. There are no AP's anywhere. Hardly anyone has been banned from a casino for winning anywhere. (Loiterers. Cheaters and thieves, who were all caught. And a bunch of naives who practically bring their "Blackjack Attack" books up to the tables with them to argue and slow the games down.) Dealers who are rigorously checked out, and licensed, follow strict procedures for dealing the various games. Who are scrutinized throughout by interactive supervisors - ten times more than the players ever were. Reminds me of watching a female dealer crying big tears when too many good cards were coming. I think she thought she was going to catch shit for something after her shift.

    Anyway, when a dealer flubs a blackjack card or two, what tends to happen is that the boss will come over, and quote rule 3A subsection 2b about whatever spoils the big bets out then. In my winning run, I once had a baccarat dealer who kept trying to ram-jam whack (bend) the discards in the rack. I sat there for a few moments, and wondered aloud to the table, why is this person doing that? When the next deck of cards came out of the auto-shuffler, part way through were coming out "boxed" (face-up). Sure enough, out came the boss to "quote rule 3A subsection 2b about...". Baccarat is impossible to thus flub otherwise. Got up, watched for a while, and went home. (The rulings changed from flub to flub, let alone a deck change.)

    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    And, the #1 rule for consumer reporters is this: if it's too good to be true, it isn't true.
    Try telling that to virtually any gambler, especially to the so-called pundits of "holy grail" play on the scam sites, the Wizard's included.

    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    But I will give these guys a concession: maybe it was true for someone but that doesn't mean it's going to be true for anyone else.
    And a few people landed on the moon. They made use of their years of training. By the time a bunch of high school dropouts make sense of the last dealer flub or two, it's on to guessing what to do about the next ones. It's not that you'd have to be/are smarter than average to be a real AP/SP, only that you'd have to be a double genius.
    Last edited by Bill Yung; 05-18-2016 at 01:21 PM.

  3. #143
    You guys are all absolutely right. AP doesn't exist and every dealer is perfect. :claps hands:

  4. #144
    It appears Dan made this thread's storyline up to generate activity. More of the "overcomped" pile. Anyone reading this who has even the slightest knowledge of how casinos operate would laugh loudly. And Bill, do you ever tire of NOBODY reading or caring about your rather poorly written & dithering posts?

    Dan, you did what arci always does and stepped into your own trap. $10k is nothing to most vp players, just as it's nothing to most casinos on the Strip. To claim he was handed all that is something only an empty shirt phony like redietz would believe--and then only to stir up Alan's juices. I suspect Dan got a chill run up his leg when he thought of how to incorporate the non-existent value of one of those useless and tiresome cruises that seem to mean the world to him, into yet another thread. He even got RS__ to continue to show how little he knows about gambling in general.

    If anybody misses me then get the tissue out for the summer. Just before we're leaving we took a trip to LV. My wife wanted to go back to Piero's one more time before the holidays. I don't expect anyone who makes multiple calls into CET customer service to see if he can get a $6 charge comped, who would rather start a fight with his girlfriend over how to get a buck-fifty bottle of Gatorade instead of paying some service guy $50 to go get it, or who's deftly afraid of having to pay a $14 resort fee....to be able to handle the prices there, but then again, anyone who has nothing going on in his life outside of being a big deal Vegas gambler has a very small world to operate in anyway. It's not really that hard to figure out if a person loses at gambling or not.

    I'd file this nonsensical story by Dan right there with all the BS Dancer's been fabricating for his weekly column over the years.

  5. #145
    I see Rob popped in to lash out at me for no reason.

    Rob, I understand that you resent APs and anyone with a mathematical mind, because they see right through your nonsensical, logic-defying "winning strategies".

    It's amazing how Rob wants us to believe that he was able to beat extreme probability and mathematics for 10 straight years, but thinks it's impossible to believe that there's a way to pattern your play (as an infrequent player) to maximize the comp offers versus the amount of play to get there.

    You, Alan, Bill Yung, and various others here are missing the point.

    The marketing computer is a form of artificial intelligence. It is programmed by humans with a set of parameters and behaviors, and then they release it to think on its own and make its own decisions.

    However, unlike robots depicted in sci-fi films, modern AI -- even the best designed ones -- are not sentient beings. They cannot analyze or consider the "why" of anyone's behavior. They can only take hard data and react based upon that. These AI systems are only as good as their programming. Google "Tay Microsoft" and you will read a laughable tale from a few months ago where a harmless (and supposedly advanced) Microsoft Twitter bot was manipulated by users into making anti-Semitic, racist, and misogynistic comments. The bot didn't know what it was saying, or why people made it say these things, but the rest of us certainly did!

    Same thing with casino marketing computers. They also cannot figure out the "why" of these situations.

    If a human was analyzing Rick's play (say, a host), they would immediately see what he was doing. They would see one $10k coin-in session in 2014, followed by several no-play stays over a 6-month period, where Rick just milked all the comp offers. If Rick tried to get this human to give him nice offers in 2016, again just based upon one $10k-coin-in type session, the human would laugh in Rick's face. "It's obvious to me what you are and what you're trying to do. Fool us once, shame on you. Fool us twice, shame on us", the person would tell Rick.

    But the computer cannot see something "obvious" like this, if it has not been programmed to look for it.

    Therefore, while a host would (accurately) see Rick as a comp whore looking to milk the system for the second time in 2 years, a computer sees him simply as a gambler who may have run out of money to gamble with, but seems willing to return and put in a lot of action again.

    That's how Rick is still getting offers, despite having redeemed way more comps than his play has earned overall.

    You can try to deny this all you want. Rob, I know you thrive at denying the truth, even when it's shoved right in front of your face.

    This thread was not for people like you, Rob. It was for the intelligent gamblers who wish to utilize a little comp trick which still seems to work.
    Check out my poker forum, and weekly internet radio show at http://pokerfraudalert.com

  6. #146
    Dan the problem is basically this. "Rick" played only $10,000 coin in. Many of us find it hard to believe he got the offers that were claimed.

    $10,000 coin in is only 1,000 tier points. Many of us are very familiar with Total Rewards and we know what you have reported is something none of us could ever expect.

    Good for Rick. But no one else should ever expect anything like what he got. It ain't gonna happen to any of us.

  7. #147
    Alan, none of us can expect it because we are regular players, or at least regular visitors to the prooperties.

    Rick is not.

    He is in a different category than the rest of us.

    Comp offers are not earned. They exist to get you back to the property. The harder you are to lure back, the more generous the computer will be with you.
    Check out my poker forum, and weekly internet radio show at http://pokerfraudalert.com

  8. #148
    "Rick" hit the comp lottery. End of story.

  9. #149
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    And Bill, do you ever tire of NOBODY reading or caring about your rather poorly written & dithering posts?
    Unfortunately, EVERYBODY did read your stuff, and soon discovered you were the ASSHOLE of the universe.


    P.S. Go back and read my first post here. And then ahead to my last.

    And enjoy what's left of your rental life. As you, yourself, wrote, for you or your old wife "to die first" in what, by all appearances, is a real shack. Lol.
    Last edited by Bill Yung; 05-19-2016 at 09:59 AM.

  10. #150
    Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    You, Alan, Bill Yung, and various others here are missing the point.
    What more point do you require? Gambling is a downhill journey, even for the "perfect experts in their perfect world". However, there's a growing field of study about gambling, and the people who involve themselves with it. I guess you could conclude that internet forums are their own addiction.

    http://www.trafficestimate.com/wizardofvegas.com

    Alan had it right along. Even with "entertaining" the Singers of the internet.

    In a million years from now, people - if any left, doesn't matter - will have long since dispensed with everything random. Nothing shall then be uncertain or unanswered, except this pokey "question", itself. Like saying the only thing certain now is that same but reversed pokey "question" at the dawn of the world of thought. Nothing wrong with being fascinated with, or even nagged about, approaching the theory and practice of the "carnival games" now. I dare say a lot of truly interesting stuff which most persons don't even know to ask about. Quantum Theory and monkeys typing.

    Determining, eg, how the prime numbers are distributed has zero value in the real world. But the handful of the brightest of the brightest struggle with such questions for hundreds of years. Perhaps, mathematicians too seek a god, if only of a different sort. There's already so much higher math about the random. Maybe those primes are of an extended normalized (finite) random distribution, beyond any L-function or special modular form patterns. Maybe these guys have been looking in the wrong direction altogether.

    Point is, Alan set up a good realistic forum, and let about as much slide as reasonably possible. Takes A LOT of heart for a trained journalist to stand up to a bunch of phony mathematicians and big talkers. His name out there.

    You just have so much with which to work on a gambling forum of any sort. Primarily, you have to let also the Singer's have their say.
    Last edited by Bill Yung; 05-19-2016 at 10:08 AM.

  11. #151
    I'm posting out of my fondness for Rob. I'm not sure exactly what an "empty shirt phony" is, but I seem to remember winning a contest with thousands of sports handicappers last year, finishing third (technically tied for second, but I lost the tiebreaker) in another with thousands of contestants, and finishing second in LineMasters Bowl Contest (I did not enter the regular season LineMasters contest). I try to not bring these things up ad nauseum, but Rob needs an occasional reminder that I did some things recently.

    And, oh yes, a couple of months ago Rob was on my case, suggesting I needed to get in better physical condition to match his prowess. I remember saying I'd need 60 days, and then we could tackle a 5K together. Rob, the 60 days are up this week, and we should do it. Let me know which 5K we'll be doing together.

  12. #152
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    I'm posting out of my fondness for Rob.
    You gotta laugh how Alan sponged almost 5,000 posts out of him. Lol.

  13. #153
    red, nothing about you or your persona here is real, which you know. You claim to be in good physical shape, and for all anyone knows, there's a good chance you're lying about that too. Even better, you could be in your 30's constantly fighting love handles.

    Bill....it's surprising you've never noticed how few responses there are to your mostly obscure posts----posts you no doubt believe are a cut above everyone else's. Too bad/so sad.

    Dan, I didn't read your exceedingly long post, probably written that way because you just couldn't get the forum-satisfaction you seek in order to alleviate how the truth sometimes affects you. However, I hope you learned a lesson about posting a fantasy story of comps etc. when none of the facts support any of it. Use your head next time. CET is fighting bankruptcy. They would never have a policy of giving away the kitchen sink to get back any player who did something as meaningless as put $10k thru the poker machines. As I said, you stepped into your own vp trap on this one. And listen to Alan when he mockingly says "Rick" hit the comp lottery.

  14. #154
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    red, nothing about you or your persona here is real, which you know. You claim to be in good physical shape, and for all anyone knows, there's a good chance you're lying about that too. Even better, you could be in your 30's constantly fighting love handles.

    Bill....it's surprising you've never noticed how few responses there are to your mostly obscure posts----posts you no doubt believe are a cut above everyone else's. Too bad/so sad.

    Dan, I didn't read your exceedingly long post, probably written that way because you just couldn't get the forum-satisfaction you seek in order to alleviate how the truth sometimes affects you. However, I hope you learned a lesson about posting a fantasy story of comps etc. when none of the facts support any of it. Use your head next time. CET is fighting bankruptcy. They would never have a policy of giving away the kitchen sink to get back any player who did something as meaningless as put $10k thru the poker machines. As I said, you stepped into your own vp trap on this one. And listen to Alan when he mockingly says "Rick" hit the comp lottery.
    Well, Rob, if I were arci, I'd say you were projecting, but I'm not arci, so just let us all know what elements of my persona aren't real, and we can construct some wagers from there. I'm sure Dan would love to hold the money while we sort out reality and fiction. I notice you didn't say my accomplishments last year were phony. They're too easily proven true, so you blather something abut a "persona."

    And I never said I'm in "good physical shape," Rob. I had my last vestiges of vanity stomped out on a track Thursday when a teacher at Science Hill lapped me three times during my eight laps in the eighth lane. He was blasting five flat miles, and he was still going when I finished. I spent most of my life in the top half percent of the population in cardio fitness, but I can tell you "58 is not the new 50." I suck -- I weigh too much, I have no speed, and my leg strength is shot. But I think we should have the 5K race anyway.

    So let me know if we're betting on my persona or a 5K race or what, and we'll ship some money to Dan and get the show on the road. Let's pin down what I'm lying about, first of all.
    Last edited by redietz; 05-20-2016 at 04:41 PM.

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