I played video poker on my computer before I was old enough to go to a casino....
I played video poker on my computer before I was old enough to go to a casino....
I play in Atlantic city, as far as I know there are no positive video poker machines here even with slot club goodies. Therefore, there is no incentive for me to grind away on job for hours on end for a small positive percentage point. Thus, I play hoping to hit a quad and walk away from that day session as a winner. Quads usually puts me ahead for the session, which means I stop playing for that day on those negative games and Leave the casino in high spirit. I don't want to debate about loss limit and win limit, coz I know in the long run these gimmicks don't work out BUT the psychology of walking out of the casino with a tidy profit cannot be measured in dollars. Thus i play strictly by the book expect for th 4to a flush vs a pair, coz in my 15 years I have seen more 4of a kind from a pair than from a three of a kind.
Last edited by lucky; 07-06-2016 at 02:54 PM.
My play and it's advertisement is for the casual video poker players. Who don't have access to positive games or are unwilling to spend hours grinding away for a few minuscule positive percentage point. My plAy recommends playing by the book expect in the case of pair vs 4to a flush, coz that 4 of a kind makes all the difference in the world whether u r up or down. To come close to the 250 payment for a 4of kind, u need to hit a lot lot lot lot lot of 5 credit flush, which means u are playing longer on bad games and thus exposing yourself to ruin.
Rack up a few winning sessions and u might be ahead for the month or the year even on negative games. Oh by the way, playing poker just the way i argued about has put me ahead for this year. It could be luck or I am on the right side of the bell curve but the fact is I gave myself the chance to be the right side of Lady Luck. Take what u can but if u want to win and leave, hold the pair or if u want to grind away, hold the flush. How many of us have seen more 4of a kind from a pair than from a three of a kind, I guarantee most of us have. If that is the case, then why in the world should we not hold a pair
Last edited by lucky; 07-06-2016 at 02:55 PM.
There are too many times I've dropped a small pair to hold four to a flush and then drew a trips cars. That hasn't changed how I play.
Yes holding AAA is correct in TDB.
Lucky, I'm confused. You talk about this 15 year lucky streak, then I read your story and see this:Originally Posted by lucky
My story
"Well here it goes.....I am 32 years old and I have been gambling for the last 12 years or so....I started on video poker and got hooked on it. I believe video poker is like crack cocaine to a compulsive gambler. I have lost a lot of money over the years and never had much to show for it. But things have turned for the better this year. I would say 2015 has been very kind to me...."
You have been gambling for 12 years, lost a lot of money and never had much to show for it? But lady luck has been smiling for 15 years?
Maybe you should re-think playing the more volatile (crack cocaine) games.
Lucky's life story undeniably needs editing. But he is undeniably confident in his results.
I'm just trying to figure out what prompted lucky to suddenly start giving VP advice after 12 years of losing money with nothing to show for it. Not much of a resume to start writing a book on strategy.Originally Posted by redietz
I never claimed I am ahead lifetime......I meant holding a pair over a 4to a flush, I got a ton of a 4of a kind( that s where Lady Luck smiling comes in) I didn't say anything till now, because I don't want to say something with only few sessions of video poker as a sample size. This is a 15 year sample, we are talking about. After seeing TONS of 4 of a kind by holding a pair over 15 years, I felt that now is the time for me to state my case.....and this year and this year alone ( so far, finger crossed) I am ahead because of the quads I hit, some of which came from holding a pair over 4 to a flush.....any more explanation u guys need, feel free to ask me....I repeat once again, looking back over 15 years of video poker, I believe that I made or lost less money by holding pair over 4to a flush...this is my experience and as someone who doesn't play poker for a living, I feel confident that my play will resonate with other casual gamblers who frequent this site....
I am not trying to rewrite how to play perfect video poker..... Only in the case of 4to a flush vs a pair, I recommend holding the pair BASED on a 15 year long video poker experience. Once again, if the math says hold a dealt full house vs playing for the Aces doesn't hold up , why should the math become relevant when it comes to 4to a flush vs a pair...,,anyone care to explain this anomaly
The reason why in certain games you break up a full house with three aces is that quad aces is worth so much.
In games such as double double bonus and triple double bonus you risk the guaranteed payoff of a full house for the chance at the jumbo payoff of quad aces or quad aces with a kicker.
I don't know of any game where it makes economic sense to hold a non-paying small pair when you have four to the flush. And if your four to the flush also includes one or more high cards it certainly doesn't make economic sense just to hold the small pair.
It comes down to risk vs. reward.
In deuces wild, if you have a pair of deuces, you would scrap the four to a flush draw unless it was a straight flush draw.
Watch my instructive videos. Special plays that deviate from optimal strategy are only to be used in conjunction with the strategies I developed, and their use can and does change based on the game being played and where you are in your win goal during your session.
Of course, most players are either terrified of going even slightly against the math (which makes no sense since you will never play THAT many hands in today's session) and/or they are just too lazy to understand and learn anything past what the books of theory has told them.
There's a good reason I'm the best, most consistently profitable video poker player ever. You guys all need to try harder.
So let me get this straight, in some situation u throw out the math of the game so u can go for the big hit ( aces in triple or double double bonus) but we should stick to the math when it comes to a lower paying 4of a kind.......so who decides at which amount do we ignore the math......
The math says you keep the aces and the math says you go for the flush. Ultimately YOU decide, it's your money.Originally Posted by lucky
Last edited by james40; 07-06-2016 at 09:02 PM.
The math gives you the best expected return or expected value of various cards in various games. There are various expected values depending on which cards you hold.Originally Posted by lucky
In TDB there is an expected value for holding a dealt full house with three aces. There's also an expected value for holding only three aces when the full house includes a pair of 2s. There is also an expected value when you hold the three aces and one of those 2s.
WRONG WRONG......by giving up the full house, u r going against the math of the game. Just because the 4 aces pays so much, doesn't make the play mathematically correct, but we do it because of the large amount involved. Same thing in my case, I throw away a potential flush to give myself a chance at a regular 250 credit 4of a kind (which is a big amount for me). So why should the math be relevant in my case but not with the aces........math is math, we can't cherry pick when we choose to use it or when to ignore it. I believe the word hypocrites come to mind, when some one says throw away the full house, go for the aces (damn the math) but wags his finger when I throw away a potential flush for a chance at a 4of a kind. Risk vs reward doesn't justify ignoring the math of the game.
Lucky the "math" has different definitions. There is the math that gives you the expected value of the cards you hold and there is the math that gives you the best strategy choice.
Yes, thank you Alan, my play deviates from correct strategy to go for the expected value from a 4of a kind.....that is the essence of my post.....
So I am right and wrong.....depending on how u choose to play.....that's why I say that holding 4to a flush vs any pair as advertised by all the great poker gurus is not entirely correct because there is always the expected value of a 4of a kind in that particular hand which they did not calculate or ignored it out of fear of risking a little to gain something big......
You'll hit quads 1/360. You'll hit a flush 1/5.2. So for every 250 you get (and I'll use 9/6 DDB as an example) I'll get over 415 for all my flushes. BTW, trips are harder to get holding a pair than a flush is holding that 4 card draw. And it pays more!
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