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    I read that one must never hold suited ace and ten......what nonsense, I hit my 3rd royal holding exactly those two cards. I can understand the logic in holding just the ace in bonus games but in job, if you don't hold suited ace and w ten.....well

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    Originally Posted by lucky View Post
    I read that one must never hold suited ace and ten......what nonsense, I hit my 3rd royal holding exactly those two cards. I can understand the logic in holding just the ace in bonus games but in job, if you don't hold suited ace and w ten.....well
    In JOB the penalty in holding an ace vs a suited A/10 is close to nothing, so keep holding the ace/ten if you desire.

    It's hard to take you seriously when you introduce yourself by saying this:

    "I started on video poker and got hooked on it. I believe video poker is like crack cocaine to a compulsive gambler. I have lost a lot of money over the years and never had much to show for it."

    As a compulsive gambler, you have a much larger sample size than I do, and I imagine you eventually hit all kinds of odd combos with enough play, but in the end, you still lose.

    When you package and sell your "winning" system, I would leave out the part about having lost a lot of money and not having much to show for it. Kind of hurts the credibility.

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    Next he'll be telling us how he was dealt 6666J, held just the J and got a royal.

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    I am not trying to sell anything, I am just stating the obvious, hold the ten always with another suited high card, Becoz of potential RF. Why wouldn't u? Do u lose out on some other hands by holding the suited ten, yes. But those payments are minuscule compared to a RF. One RF scored by holding the suited ten will more than make up for all the other small hands u might have missed. This is my point, in some cases it is better to avoid the poker gurus advice and go for the obvious big hand

  5. #5
    Originally Posted by lucky View Post
    I am not trying to sell anything, I am just stating the obvious, hold the ten always with another suited high card, Becoz of potential RF. Why wouldn't u? Do u lose out on some other hands by holding the suited ten, yes. But those payments are minuscule compared to a RF. One RF scored by holding the suited ten will more than make up for all the other small hands u might have missed. This is my point, in some cases it is better to avoid the poker gurus advice and go for the obvious big hand
    I do it. Sometimes I even get quad 10's!

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    No they're not miniscule. If they were, then the right hold would be A,10 suited. Card odds are easy to figure out.

    And Sling, you'll make MORE quads dumping the T.

  7. #7
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    Next he'll be telling us how he was dealt 6666J, held just the J and got a royal.
    I laughed hard at that one. Thanks for the humor.

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    Originally Posted by lucky View Post
    I am not trying to sell anything, I am just stating the obvious, hold the ten always with another suited high card, Becoz of potential RF. Why wouldn't u? Do u lose out on some other hands by holding the suited ten, yes. But those payments are minuscule compared to a RF. One RF scored by holding the suited ten will more than make up for all the other small hands u might have missed. This is my point, in some cases it is better to avoid the poker gurus advice and go for the obvious big hand
    Your ignoring the advice of the "gurus" has lead to you being a consistent loser at VP for your entire gambling career. Maybe paying a little more attention to correct play will make you lose less money. You sound like you need GA more than VP.

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    All jokes aside, if you wish to hold A,10 suited, by all means go ahead. But don't tell us it's the proper play.

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    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    All jokes aside, if you wish to hold A,10 suited, by all means go ahead. But don't tell us it's the proper play.
    Especially someone who admits to being "hooked" on VP and compares it to being addicted to crack cocaine. Sounds he's had a sad 12 years. You can tell he gets a rush from hitting these random big hands, a sure sign of addiction. Ignoring the damage he's done to his life and focusing on the random big hits he's had by his "not by the book" draws.

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    For the record, I plugged the following hand into a hand analyzer using 9/6 JoB:

    As, 10s, 8c, 7d, 6c

    Holding just the A has a return of 46.6538%
    Holding the A,10 has a return of 46.0561%

    So it's a .6% difference. It won't kill him for the 7.5¢ per $1.25 gamble.
    Last edited by jbjb; 07-23-2016 at 10:20 PM.

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    Bottom line. If you don't play a lot (say 50 to 100 K hands in a lifetime) it's silly to worry about 5 cents lost on a hold. If you grind away for millions of hands then that's a different story. I'm way ahead lifetime but haven't played a ton, just got lucky a couple times
    Take off that stupid mask you big baby.

  13. #13
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    For the record, I plugged the following hand into a hand analyzer using 9/6 JoB:

    As, 10s, 8c, 7d, 6c

    Holding just the A has a return of 46.6538%
    Holding the A,10 has a return of 46.0561%

    So it's a .6% difference. It won't kill him for the 7.5¢ per $1.25 gamble.
    And for the more important, meaningful record: Anyone who plays 9/6 job as their main game will be a loser, and as a bonus they'll get to know the true meaning of "boring".

    I don't hold a suited 10 with an Ace or any face card in any of the games I play, and it hasn't hurt me one bit over my lifetime. Theory might make for intermittingly interesting conversation for the armchair gamblers out there, but for those who actually play, reality plays a far more important part. Just look how ludicrous what you're claiming truly is: 7.5cents? Really? And for $5 players it's a buck fifty? REALLY? Feeling dumb yet??

    I think people can tell the difference between those who play and those who don't. The book means zero when you're playing, and it means a whole lot less when people go in and play for a few hours and then leave. None of you will ever become winners when you put the books before managing your money so it'll consistently create profit.

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    If any of you don't want that $1.50 each time this hand shows up, send it to me. Won't take long before I'm a millionaire just off that.

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    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    If any of you don't want that $1.50 each time this hand shows up, send it to me. Won't take long before I'm a millionaire just off that.
    The Waltons are selling their products with only a couple pennies profit margin per item and they're billionaires. So anyone that doesn't want those $1.50's, send them my way.

  16. #16
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    The Waltons are selling their products with only a couple pennies profit margin per item and they're billionaires. So anyone that doesn't want those $1.50's, send them my way.
    Does that mean if I only send you $1.48--then I'll be a billionaire??

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    Theorists seem happiest with phantom bucks. All this nonsense talk about ten cents here and two dollars there---none of it means a thing until the hand is actually over and the results are in.

    Has NO ONE yet figured out that this is the exact reason the Wizard needed to beg for money in order to keep his home and his family? On paper in NO way represents what happens in reality. Ever. And you will never know if it was a "good bet" until the hand is over.

  18. #18
    I don't need to beg for money. No phantom bucks in my wallet. Funny how I see guys like Rob every day in casinos all over the U.S. and they constantly LOSE!

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    Rob, I understand your disdain for the pure abstractionist perspective, but you realize that if "on paper in no way represents what happens in reality," then (A) we must have been damn lucky to get to the moon so many times since the simulations meant crap and (B) casinos seem to believe in their theories despite your heartfelt argument.

    I'm not sure how you can explain away the validity of these simulations, but I look forward to your efforts.

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    You all realize he wants us to stupidly follow his system so we'll lose, right?

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