Wrong poker strategy again

[slingshot]

I have my best luck holding a suited 10 in a perceived hot cycle and only the high card in a perceived cold cycle. Probably not the right decision- but that's what I've noticed by not playing fast and studying each result. As a quarter player, I don't sweat it. But Rob hit the main point-if you stop at a daily win goal, the books don't matter because you will be thru playing anyway. And changing machines sometimes helps, also. Just my take-and no I don't claim to be right.

[arcimede$]

You can always spot the addicted ones. They tell you simple math does not work. With that in mind they can ignore the return of games and rush off to the casinos and play whatever paytable they want and claim they have a good chance of winning. It allows their addiction to overcome simple logic. Psychologists know all about these losers.

[Bill Yung]

Psychologists know all about these losers.

A long list of doctors and lawyers, and other professionals on the gambling forums over the years, but not a single psychologist/psychiatrist?

I had to visit such a site years back for an informal assessment on what it is the AP's are doing. Was banned from the wizTard's for posting it, along with a few other tidbits, verbatim.

[slingshot]

Yes, I am addicted. Once I found out it's NOT the math, NOR the paytables, and I didn't have to spend a lot of time in the casino chasing an elusive jackpot, I actually enjoyed including a little VP in my schedule. I don't just enjoy pushing the buttons- I love watching for hot/cold streaks, keeping up with where I am as far as credits ahead/behind, changing machines when necessary, and watching for opportunities in special plays. I find it mentally stimulating, and doing it this way tires me faster so I have no energy to overstay my visit.

[Rob.Singer]

And arci's only trying to deflect the issue away from HIM being addicted....and after what he's had to go thru as a result of his habit, he is actually at a level few ever reach.

Advantage Play by definition is the #1 creator of addiction. Long-term and all that nonsense. All people need to do is hop around the forums and witness it for themselves. These "AP's" are constantly going broke, and they stomp out to casinos in paycheck-to-paycheck fashion, whether from their jobs or handouts from the Gov't. And when they're forced into down time due to lack of funds they troll the internet forums, spewing out their fantasy beliefs for a system that's secretly failed them until the next chunk of cash makes them liquid again. And some have travelled far past the boiling point. Again, case in point: the wizard and his begging.

[Rob.Singer]

I don't need to beg for money. No phantom bucks in my wallet. Funny how I see guys like Rob every day in casinos all over the U.S. and they constantly LOSE!

Credibility has never been your strong suit. You hide behind anonymity--constantly chirping in as some sort of gambling expert with unsupported stories and comments meant to try and prop you up.

Actually, you're really not much different than mickeycrimm, who uses phony stories from the past and pictures of nickel keno wins to give him the feeling of his living some kind of fantasy life on the internet. It's what armchair gamblers do.

[Rob.Singer]

Rob, I understand your disdain for the pure abstractionist perspective, but you realize that if "on paper in no way represents what happens in reality," then (A) we must have been damn lucky to get to the moon so many times since the simulations meant crap and (B) casinos seem to believe in their theories despite your heartfelt argument.

I'm not sure how you can explain away the validity of these simulations, but I look forward to your efforts.

You're finally figuring it out. Only massive entities such as casinos and "travel to the moon" ever experience enough exposure so as to have any sort of relationship with the "long-term" and consequently, with said simulations.

Abstract enuf?

[regnis]

Bottom line. If you don't play a lot (say 50 to 100 K hands in a lifetime) it's silly to worry about 5 cents lost on a hold. If you grind away for millions of hands then that's a different story. I'm way ahead lifetime but haven't played a ton, just got lucky a couple times

Makes too much sense so everyone just ignored this Qua. Everyone is quick to call Lucky an addict--and maybe he is. But that one extra Royal he got by misplaying that particular hand covers an awful lot of those nickels. Maybe that play gives him some enjoyment at a cost of a few cents. Most of us have much more expensive hobbies--golf--boat--whatever. Why do we have to attack him?

[Bill Yung]

You're finally figuring it out. Only massive entities such as casinos and "travel to the moon" ever experience enough exposure so as to have any sort of relationship with the "long-term" and consequently, with said simulations.

What can be explained doesn't necessarily work; what works can always be explained.

[lucky]

Ty regnis for ur straight talk.....am I an addict, I said so in my very first post. My only beef is that, I haven't found any positive machines here in AC.....I have neither the time nor the inclination to sit and bang away at video poker for hours on end. Thus I play in such away, that I am going to try for big Hands such as 4oak or rf within reasonable choice of cards such as holding suited 10s, small pair over a 4 to a flush. I don't play stupid like throwing away 6666j and holding j for a rf....my choices has netted me hands that ended my session with a PROFIT for that day. Did I lose out .05 by holding suited 10...maybe maybe not, but 1 rf makes it up BIG time, oh btw I got 3rf by holding suited 10s....I guarentee that I made more money by hitting those rfs than me losing :05 cents over my 15 years of play.....

[lucky]

If I can hit 3rfs by holding the suited 10.....so can u.....unless u found some +ev machines where u r trying to squeeze out .03% advantage in the long long run

[redietz]

You're finally figuring it out. Only massive entities such as casinos and "travel to the moon" ever experience enough exposure so as to have any sort of relationship with the "long-term" and consequently, with said simulations.

Abstract enuf?

Brave declaration, Rob. Just one little flaw in the logic -- you're positing a reality where there exists a "long term" that is significantly different from a "non-long term."

Where might this mythical cut-off exist? What length of time spent at a machine gravitates a player out of this undefined, perpetually elusive "short term?"

And do you really think the world doesn't have 20 or 50 or a hundred or 10,000 Rob Singers who have independently figured this out? It's possible, like Tigger, that you're the only one.

[Bill Yung]

Where might this mythical cut-off exist? What length of time spent at a machine gravitates a player out of this undefined, perpetually elusive "short term?"

That would make a great "Bet what?" question. How to stay in the short term (of variance).

[arcimede$]

Justification is a constant among addicts. You can see it in all their comments. Anything to convince themselves they are fine.

[Alan Mendelson]

I'd simply like to say this:

If your goal is hitting royals HOLD the suited ace and ten.

But if your goal is to hit other winning hands including high pairs or trips or quads, etc., hold the single ace.

[slingshot]

I'd simply like to say this:

If your goal is hitting royals HOLD the suited ace and ten.

But if your goal is to hit other winning hands including high pairs or trips or quads, etc., hold the single ace.

Would like to comment that I ALSO hit quads high pair,trips holding the suited ten. And I STILL have a chance for the royal.

[jbjb]

If your goal is to win money consistently from casinos, quit being ploppies!

[Rob.Singer]

Brave declaration, Rob. Just one little flaw in the logic -- you're positing a reality where there exists a "long term" that is significantly different from a "non-long term."

Where might this mythical cut-off exist? What length of time spent at a machine gravitates a player out of this undefined, perpetually elusive "short term?"

And do you really think the world doesn't have 20 or 50 or a hundred or 10,000 Rob Singers who have independently figured this out? It's possible, like Tigger, that you're the only one.

It has nothing to do with the amount of time spent at a machine or machines, and everything to do with how it is spent. Are you artificially trying to tell yourself that, because it's you, you are playing within some undefined self-asserted long-term....or are you capable of being aware of the reality that clearly states how you are simply there playing today, with it having nothing to do with any play you may have had in the past, or any play that still may come.

The non-abstract is similar to always taking the fork in the road whenever you come upon them. There, you will find the answers you are looking for.

[Alan Mendelson]

Would like to comment that I ALSO hit quads high pair,trips holding the suited ten. And I STILL have a chance for the royal.

If you are playing DDB or TDB and you hold the ace with a suited 10 you cannot hit AAAA plus a kicker. Period.

[slingshot]

If you are playing DDB or TDB and you hold the ace with a suited 10 you cannot hit AAAA plus a kicker. Period.

Totally agree. It's hard to explain all a person does without a long, boring, personal post that fluctuates and irritates AP players that believe choices are concrete-especially if one third of the session is in a bonus poker game and the remaining is in an adbp game.