In what regard? I've never had a return in a single session that matched the pay table?Originally Posted by ke6cdh
And when I played it at Rincon -- the only place I played it -- it was the best available pay table for the game.
In what regard? I've never had a return in a single session that matched the pay table?Originally Posted by ke6cdh
And when I played it at Rincon -- the only place I played it -- it was the best available pay table for the game.
Royal aces may have been the best "pay table" at rincon for "royal aces", however was one of the worst return pay tables on the machine that you were playing on.Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
I know. And you were with me when I put $100 in the machine and in a few hands got the quad aces for $4,000.Originally Posted by ke6cdh
More proof that it doesn't matter what theoretical payback % game anyone ever plays when they are not planning on playing the machine for hour after hour. You either get lucky or you don't, whether you are novice, amateur, seasoned, professional, or an "AP". No one wins without good luck being a major factor in your session....which is why giving good luck more of a reasonable & structured opportunity to appear is a major key to winning at vp.Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
Anyone who believes in "luck" is a moron!
You don't have to believe in it... you just need to get it.Originally Posted by jbjb
There is no such thing. Which of these dealt hands is a result of luck?Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
As, Ks, Qs, Js, 10s or
5h, 7d, Ks, 2d, 9c
Both are equally likely but the fruitcakes will say that only the royal is from "luck." Again, only a moron would believe that such bullshit is real.
Per Merriam-Webster:
" the things that happen to a person because of chance : the accidental way things happen without being planned
: good fortune : good luck
: success in doing or getting something"
So JBJB--do you not believe in chance? You are saying that all of Rob Singer's big hits were in fact Skill? Alan's 4 aces above was skill?
I must be really unskilled----I never get those great results.
I just signed up for a course at the community college to learn how and when to push the buttons on a VP machine.
Now that I know it was not bad luck but my lack of skill pushing the button I aim to remedy this problem ASAP.
Rob has me confused. In another thread, lucky made claims that he stayed four consecutive nights each week at CET properties, and Rob said it was bull****.
So, if you're lucky, is it bull**** or not?
You're so misinformed and misled. Good luck means anything that happens to you that is positive, whether thru your own effort or not. Getting dealt a razgu doesn't qualify; getting dealt a royal absolutely does. Neither required any effort whatsoever.Originally Posted by jbjb
People who claim math is the only answer in gambling also claim vp is mostly a game of skill. That's the biggest gambling fib if all time. Again, go back to your dealt royal example.
It's hard to believe the blatant amount of stupidity on gambling forums.
"lucky" is a roving forum troll who makes up scenarios in order to attract attention to the issue for thrills. After just a few minutes of research my people have found he's the same poster as Lonestarhorse and multiple other aliases. I also have his real name, address and ss#. He's not you, but you also use an alias. And I finally discovered your real name. So funny....Originally Posted by redietz
Uh oh, Rob, sounds like an opportunity for a wager.
But -- that's right. You got me!!!
My middle name is Earl. I know, I know. Embarrassing as hell. I'm named, evidently, after my late great uncle on my dad's side. Really bothers me regarding that show, you know, "My Name is Earl."
Anyway, Rob, whatever you're paying your PI, it's too much. May I recommend a friend of mine, my sister-in-law's husband? He ran a chain of PI firms in New Mexico.
I never took you for a paranoid and a fool. Live and learn.
P.S. Good to know LoneStarhorse isn't me. I appreciate the info.
Last edited by redietz; 10-21-2016 at 02:53 PM.
Let me just say this in response to jbjb who says there is no such thing as luck:
About ten years ago I was dealt a royal flush on a 50-play video poker machine. I pushed the button and a royal was dealt which carried over to all 50 lines. It was a nickel per coin machine. It paid $10,000. Are you telling me this was the result of my skill, and no luck?
About four years ago I was dealt a progressive royal at Rincon which paid about $36,000. Again, are you telling me this was the result of my skill and no luck?
In October of last year I was dealt a progressive royal at Bellagio which paid about $31,000. The photo is on this forum. Again are you telling me this was the result of my skill and no luck?
About two months ago I was dealt a $1 royal at Caesars which paid $4,000. The photo is also on this forum. Again, are you telling me this was the result of my skill and no luck?
Damn it, man. I didn't know I had such skill!!!
And if instead, each of those times, you were dealt 4c, 7d, Kd, 2h, Js, would you call that luck? There are 2,598,960 possible dealt hands. Again, being dealt a royal in spades is no more "lucky" than being dealt 4c, 7d, Kd, 2h, Js. One just happens to pay a premium and the other doesn't. Luck plays no part in anything because it doesn't exist.Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
jbjb had I been dealt 4c, 7d, Kd, 2h, Js, it would have been luck also -- but it would have been the bad luck of the draw.
Reread what regnis wrote and what Rob Singer wrote. And maybe you should spend less time in casinos and more time seeing the outside world?
Alan, do you realize that casinos everywhere have degraded their pay tables exactly because of thinking like yours?
At one point, it was assumed by casino managers that they had to provide fairly good paytables, as gamblers would refuse to play machines with low-return pay tables that would quickly fleece them.
Then they learned this wasn't true.
Gamblers weren't there to grind to a slow loss.
They were there for the excitement of big wins, and they didn't really care about theoretical returns, or the fact that the lower-paying VP hands were downgraded.
Math-challenged or math-denying players decided that big hits determine whether a session is good or bad, so one's payout on a full house, flush or 2-pair was irrelevant. This thinking was fallacious (especially long term), but that's the direction they went.
So that's why paytables were degraded.
That's also why 00 was added in roulette (and now 000 in Venetian).
That's also how 6:5 blackjack came to be.
Too many gamblers were there to get "lucky", and didn't give a crap if they were being fleeced by terrible odds.
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Alan, you're telling someone else to spend less time in casinos......how many dealt royals have you gotten? If you don't see where I'm going with this, you should spend more time reading & learning and less time gambling.
RS___ believe me I am a very lucky person. I'm so lucky I not only have gotten four dealt royals, but I am also not you.
Dan I know it's all my fault that they added a zero to roulette, cut blackjack to 6/5 and reduced bonus poker to 7/5. I'm sorry.
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