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[RS__]

"Win pause win pause win pause....sounds like lots of winning to me"

Yeah, except you forgot to include whenever you lose....and you'll probably be down a significant amount when you lose than when you win. You simply can't have a profit every session at some point.

If taking a pause after a win is going to make you a net winner (long run), just take a 5 minute pause after every time you're ahead. Take a lap around the parking lot, perhaps. Come back, win, do another lap.

Why do a lap around the parking lot when you can just pause at the machine for 30 seconds? Wait, why pause for 30 seconds. Pause for just 1 second. Wait.....why even pause at all?

An "AP method" requires the player to have an advantage.

[Alan Mendelson]

An "AP method" requires the player to have an advantage.

I agree. An "AP method" requires the player to have an advantage. But exactly what is the advantage? Finding a dealer who misdeals? How common is that? Finding a video poker machine with a positive pay table? Even our friend Arc has lost his profitable game. Finding a casino that will let you count cards without catching on? Finding abandoned multipliers on various video poker machines? Finding a "must hit by" slot that is only one-cent away?

I know... getting that $1600 of free play, and 25-thou bonus points. Yeah, that's the ticket.

[jbjb]

I agree. An "AP method" requires the player to have an advantage. But exactly what is the advantage? Finding a dealer who misdeals? How common is that? Finding a video poker machine with a positive pay table? Even our friend Arc has lost his profitable game. Finding a casino that will let you count cards without catching on? Finding abandoned multipliers on various video poker machines? Finding a "must hit by" slot that is only one-cent away?

I know... getting that $1600 of free play, and 25-thou bonus points. Yeah, that's the ticket.

If you got off your ass at that $5 BP game or craps table at Caesars and traveled the country looking for these opportunities like my crew and I do, you might find them too. Some are rare. Some are consistent.

[mickeycrimm]

That comment has real impact, coming from a self-proclaimed AP who happens to have a drinking problem. Before I answer that question first tell me if your sober or blown out of your shoes?

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I haven't had a drink in at least two weeks. That's what you guys don't get about me. Sure, I'll knock it down hard when I'm doing it. But I'm sober 90% of the time. It's real funny how you hypocrites don't admit to drinking yourselves and like to call other people drunks.

[mickeycrimm]

Question: why isn't "quitting when ahead" an AP method? Must APs continue to play even when they have a profit on the day or week or session?

Alan, on the craps table you play at Caesar's the house has an established mathematical advantage. So what do they need after that? They need business. As much business as they can get because "the recurring sum of net edge times volume equals the earn."

If I have a 3% edge at video poker, maybe due to some promotion, then quitting (pausing) when I'm ahead doesn't apply because "the recurring sum of net edge times volume equals the earn."

[Alan Mendelson]

If you got off your ass at that $5 BP game or craps table at Caesars and traveled the country looking for these opportunities like my crew and I do, you might find them too. Some are rare. Some are consistent.

I'll tell you what.... as soon as I retire from my $15,000 a week business, I'll do just that.

[Alan Mendelson]

Alan, on the craps table you play at Caesar's the house has an established mathematical advantage. So what do they need after that? They need business. As much business as they can get because "the recurring sum of net edge times volume equals the earn."

If I have a 3% edge at video poker, maybe due to some promotion, then quitting (pausing) when I'm ahead doesn't apply because "the recurring sum of net edge times volume equals the earn."

Okay, but how do you figure on a 3% edge at video poker? Are you, in the words of Rob Singer, including the value of mugs, sweatshirts, and all the rolls you can stuff in your pockets from the buffet? LOL

(Rob isn't totally crazy.)

[blackhole]

If you got off your ass at that $5 BP game or craps table at Caesars and traveled the country looking for these opportunities like my crew and I do, you might find them too. Some are rare. Some are consistent.

You know what’s not rare and what is consistent? This fantasy lifestyle you AP’s try to play off on all of us dumber gamblers.

You and your crew traveling the country picking off casino cash. Jeezz, you make it sound like a group of gangsters like the Gotti Crew in New York.

Yea Alan, give up your career making more money than you need, get off your ass, and travel the world. If you do this, can I be one of your crew members? We could put together a new crew of old retired men gamblers and come up with a catchy name for the crew. Maybe we could enlist some old experienced guys like Rob, Mickey, etc. We’ll all get matching shirts with our crew name spelled across the backs in dollar signs. We could offer Rob some cash and maybe he’ll let us use one of his recreational vehicles to travel the country together so we truly could bond.

[jbjb]

Blackhole, you're the typical troll making typical uninformed nonsense. Nobody has to quit their career. I made a suggestion that instead of parking his ass at a $5 BP VP game at Caesars for a few days, go to a different location and finds opportunities. He might hit a home run and he might strike out. He's a reporter, might make for a good article. Naturally though, you're the self proclaimed "dumber gambler" and to stupid to comprehend this.

[Alan Mendelson]

Actually jbjb the reporter in me wonders about your claims. And your reports about picking off nickel Ultimate X machines. I see smoke but no fire.

[redietz]

I'm not saying that other casinos aren't good for players. But when I have my girl with me, I'm probably taking her to Caesars.

Don't be coy, Alan. We know you joined MGM for those times you have two girls with you simultaneously, unbeknownst to each other.

[Alan Mendelson]

Don't be coy, Alan. We know you joined MGM for those times you have two girls with you simultaneously, unbeknownst to each other.

True story: When I was married to wife #3, wife #1 wanted to go to Vegas with our two kids. So I went to Bellagio with wife #3, and I checked into Caesars so wife #1 and the kids could stay in my comped room.

During the trip, I had to play some at Caesars to justify the comp (this was the old days, when you had RFB based on play and pre-Harrahs and Total Rewards) so I played craps at Caesars with wife #3 and wife #1 at the table.

It was interesting.

[Dan Druff]

Where was Wife #2?

[regnis]

Couple more wives and you'll need a private table.

[Alan Mendelson]

Where was Wife #2?

Wife #2 abandoned me and her two teenage kids... flying off to Miami with her girlfriend who was dumped by her husband. She had her mother (kid's grandmother) in the house when she quietly packed her bags and drove away. Next time I saw her was in divorce court. What a piece of work. Her daughter who had a mental disability was put into a group home at the age of 14, and her son went to work after graduating high school with no prospects for a better life. Their father was no where to be found. And that was my "Hollywood trophy wife."

[RS__]

Alan, AP isn't super simple work where you stroll into your favorite casino and just start playing. The playing is almost certainly the easiest part. The tough part is figuring out different casino promotions and what kind of free play they'll send you for what kind of action. Nobody is going to (or should) tell you where to play and how to play to get an advantage.

Even if someone were to tell you about an advantage play you could do, I doubt you'd believe them.

[Alan Mendelson]

I know this much RS__: there are sometimes great promotions which can give you huge expected returns. For example, when I used to get $2500 free play. But I know these offers don't last. Unless an offer or promotion is always available it is not an "advantage play." It is only a loss leader for the casino. I think too many "APs" construe using these loss leaders as being some skilled technique. They're kidding themselves. If you can't always use it you have no advantage.

[RS__]

I know this much RS__: there are sometimes great promotions which can give you huge expected returns. For example, when I used to get $2500 free play. But I know these offers don't last. Unless an offer or promotion is always available it is not an "advantage play." It is only a loss leader for the casino. I think too many "APs" construe using these loss leaders as being some skilled technique. They're kidding themselves. If you can't always use it you have no advantage.

I don't know what the hell you're talking about. What do you mean "unless an offer or promotion is always available it is not an 'advantage play'."? Free-play is a loss leader for the casino. Most people probably play their freeplay and then add a bunch of cash and play a bunch more. You don't have to keep playing, though.

[mickeycrimm]

Where was Wife #2?

The good Lord gave every man 7 women and damned if Alan isn't going to take every one of them.

[mickeycrimm]

Okay, but how do you figure on a 3% edge at video poker? Are you, in the words of Rob Singer, including the value of mugs, sweatshirts, and all the rolls you can stuff in your pockets from the buffet? LOL(Rob isn't totally crazy.)

Alan, there is no comp in my jurisdiction. No, hotel or meal comp. No mugs, t-shirts or any of that goofball stuff. We're talking little 20 machine slot parlors here. There are 1700 of them in this state. They cater to the residents of the town who don't need hotel comp. Some places, if they have a restaurant, might give you a 50% discount on a meal. But by an large there is no meal comp here either. I pay my own freight in it's entirety. I maintain a residence that I'm only in half the time. Hotel, meals and gas runs me over $100 a day on roadtrips around the state.

I have a lot of different plays in video poker, video keno and video lines games. The keno and line games are vulturable type stuff. The video poker plays are straight through plays. One play is worth $70 an hour the other is worth $80 an hour. That's on the game straight up, no freebies.

When I was in Nevada I never figured comps into the equation. I had to have a decent advantage straight up on the game. I considered any comp that came with it to be nothing but byproduct. It is a myth perpetrated by Rob that AP's figure comp into the edge. The one exception might be Dan.